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[Pistons]

Culture, norms and religious beliefs are there to withhold people from acting out on their instincts. But when you have organized stakeholders trying to uproot these barriers on a country wide basis, the threshold for acting on instinct falls. As also seen in Thailand and to some degree Germany. The only reason these countries are held back from going even further up the liberal route is the international social sphere where they are in minority, and where the brainwashed are in majority. So why do people brainwash each others into norms and belief systems? Answer: to win wars and spread ones own genes as much as possible. The rest is strategy.

http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/04...human-history/

And so again this falls back on social anthropology. And forced brainwashing from childhood on what is right and wrong. A paradigm is hard to change.

[Takedown]

I guess, but to me this whole leash idea you have at GT and Samya only makes me feel the girls are acting extra much. So the chances of getting honesty falls dramatically.

They're hookers.

[Pistons]

how the manager is always watching, controlling the girls' behavior and how she spends her time. Girls there are on a very tight leash.

I guess, but to me this whole leash idea you have at GT and Samya only makes me feel the girls are acting extra much. So the chances of getting honesty falls dramatically.

[Sho423]

OK, thanks man, I may add Zurich with my next trip depending on cost, so good to hear feed back that lead to more motivation to go or not to go.

No problem, the thing I liked about Globe was the lesbian show, but 30 minutes for 140 franc, those 30 minutes goes by pretty quick. So an hour is the way to go if money isn't an issue.

[McAdonis]

A while ago, when there was a discussion about a bunch of locals who come in on Sundays, lounge around all day and night, hardly take any sessions -- I asked what is the point about wasting 50 E entry fee on lousy food and a so so pool and a loud smoky lounge, and someone (it might have been you McA -- let's face it, it is always just you and me getting into these endless wonkish discussions that have nothing to do with Ramona taking just half the dick into the mouth during BJ or Jenny arches her back too much while doing doggie, LOL-- if I have to guess, you must be doing policy or strategy analysis for a living :-) said "but the locals are not like you and me, they want to come in, relax, meet friends, eat and drink; fucking is less important to some of them".

Now, we are saying the locals want to hurry up their fucking because they don't have enough time to relax / eat / meet people, because they have a wife at home and father in law next door to the club, hence they might logically prefer the RLD over FKK.

I don't doubt there are both types of locals.

And yes most locals are the quick few hour types but there is a very noticeable group of lingerers that regularly occupy the same spot at clubs like Sharks, Living Room, and Golden Time.

As Takedown says, the locals who linger and are attending 30 plus times a year are a small but noticeable minority. Jnpr, are you telling me that every time you attend Sharks, you recognize the eighty percent of the clientele? There was the young Turk, and the guy Siri called the Asian hermaphrodyte, and a few more. But for every one of these hardcore local Germans there are six or seven casual local German mongers who have an outside life. And these guys may attend 1-5 times a year.

[AbcInFKK]

I did not find any 10's, mostly 7's, a couple of 8's.

That's disappointing to hear. Globe is my next target destination. Personal tastes aside, do you find the pictures on the site accurate?

If pictures are accurate I would rate a good amount as 8+ for body, but seeing them in person and face is very important (which many are blocking face for privacy reasons).

[Mr Ho]

Visa, economical situation of the nation and culture of nations, platform to get them to legally working nation such as Germany with FKK format etc in this case plays big role in forming prostitutes aka working girls.

But why there is such a big concentration of Romanian prostitute followed by Bulgarians.

Beside above reasons, what cause such a big domination beside what I wrote on first line, I mean there are so many other poor nations in eastern Europe and also Greece had serious problem back in early 2010's, but I never hardly spotted big concentration of girls from other nations, but Romanians and Bulgarians.

I wonder why this is. I have to say they are country with many beautiful girls, so it is the right country for many of us monger, but it is amazing how Romanians and Bulgarians dominated most of line up throughout European legal brothels.

[Mr Ho]

I did not find any 10's, mostly 7's, a couple of 8's.

OK, thanks man, I may add Zurich with my next trip depending on cost, so good to hear feed back that lead to more motivation to go or not to go.

[Sho423]

Artemis used to be really good club from 2009 till like 2015, but I stopped going there in 2015 due to same reasons as you mentioned and mostly radical decline in line up quality optically.

How did you find line up of globe Zurich? Many stunners there to your eyes?

I did not find any 10's, mostly 7's, a couple of 8's.

[Mr Ho]

Some NRW clubs keep out the undesirable riff raff customers, and that makes those clubs much better. True.

Well the thing is if it is to globe service level and price, I do not mind agreeing into some mild up selling, the problem is the following below when it comes to up selling in German FKK club especially recently.

Negotiations are annoying.

Some girls sometimes ask insane price like few hundred euro per hour. But this is very rare. I never came across it but I read different numbers like 300,400 euros per one hour on forum. Maximum I came across is 200 euro per one hour, which seems to be common in palace Frankfurt, they used to ask for 150 euro per one hour, now they increased it to 200 euro.

Let say you agree to mild upsell like 150 euro per one hour. The service level is not sure thing, she will DFK etc, but over all it is not to the level of globe, where services that I experiences are secured, but for 140 chf per 30 min where 30 min is 30 min and no negotiations.

All in all, when up selling became to this spread and this level, and expected to get worst, I would prefer where they open FKK club where that is more expensive but all services are secured and delivered in more price like globe. This also keeps clients who do not want to pay up away, so less competition and relax to have sessions with stunners, unlike gt.

More reasons law or clients give to girls, more they will use it to take money out of monger, which I do not mind, I am willing to buying myself into mild up selling in exchange for service, but deliver and secure the service to level of globe is what I mean.

I am glad that I experienced German FKK where you got the whole crazy sex package for just 60 euro per 30 min for few years back in the day when I began going to German FKK at Artemis Berlin. Now these golden era is gone and big question mark whether such luck going to come back again. I may come across some girls here and there who provide like I do still at LR, and sometimes GT, but in other establishment. They are becoming like globe without secure service. If you going to upsell, then deliver the same level.

[Takedown]

Now, we are saying the locals want to hurry up their fucking because they don't have enough time to relax / eat / meet people, because they have a wife at home and father in law next door to the club, hence they might logically prefer the RLD over FKK.

I don't doubt there are both types of locals. Just as there are tourists who want to go up and down stairs and those who want to sit next to the Sharks waterfall and watch Steffi's super nice derriere all day.

But the market is the sum total of all these people. And in that market, for a while, price is either going up, or service going down for a given price. We can take this or that sub-group and present anecdotal examples and forecasts. But on the whole, the trend is one way, and that is not in the direction to the liking of most mongers here.

I am with you on the long term trend. Prices for same service will continue to rise on average. I do have to interject that in the the short term, the price can lower the demand and thus increased the supply. This happened last year at Acapulco with girls dropping their failed BBBJ up charge. It also temporarily gave some relief at Oase 2 years ago when good service at Sharks and local boycott forced Oase girls to temporarily ease their upselling. At the very least, it forced the club to add happy hour entry and improve the food.

And yes most locals are the quick few hour types but there is a very noticeable group of lingerers that regularly occupy the same spot at clubs like Sharks, Living Room, and Golden Time.

[Takedown]

I have noticed this too. And not just with Asians, but also with American tourists. And I wonder why Samya seems to be the favoured NRW club among the Asians. The place is very crammed up and the men's locker area smells like shit. The food is also below average for an FKK. But perhaps the social side of Samya trumps it all. The density forces through more intimacy with the girls outside of the rooms, and the dancing routines makes it seem more natural and less orchestrated.

Personally I prefer clubs with more space and air, and a bit better ambience and food. But I see the draw here for some. Now if only the lineup had a bit more diversity I'd knock it up a notch too. For me only 2-3 girls have done it so far after 7-8 visits. The management is very good at Samya however.

Friendliness and party atmosphere largely due to good management are definitely good reasons for anyone to visit. I got very close to one WG there and was able to see how the manager is always watching, controlling the girls' behavior and how she spends her time. Girls there are on a very tight leash.

For tourist Asians, I think proximity to the city center is also a major reason.

LR is the other club just as easily accessed by train with similar optics and layout, but Samya has many more girls. Oceans is the other easily accessed club and can have better optics than either but the average monger seems to have a poor service experience there.

Cheap entry, especially for a city club might also play a role.

[Member #4581]

You are a tourist on holiday, presumably without any social, family or work commitments in Europe, so 12-14 hours in an FKK club is no problem for you. Most casual mongers can't sneak away for such durations. Consider the cost-benefit analysis for a married German man who mongers once a month. Let say he only has a two hour time window to monger on a Friday afternoon.

Option 1: he goes to his favorite escort apartment situated in a discrete building with no neon-lights and no pictures of naked ladies. He's greeted by a receptionist that introduces him to 5-10 WGs. He chooses one for 150 EUR per hour, opts for 50 EUR worth of extras. After the session, receptionist ensures his experience with WG was satisfactory. Total cost: 200 EUR.

Option 2: he goes to Sharks. Parks several blocks away. Walks past SEAT dealership's parking lot, constantly worried that someone he knows will see him. His worst nightmare is to see his father-in-law pulling out of the Hornbach. Pays his 65 EUR entry. Chooses a WG. Pays her 100 EUR per hour. About 50 percent chance he steps on a landmine. Total cost: 165 EUR.

Honestly, option one was always his best choice. But he mixed Sharks in 1-2 times a year because he felt it was worth the risk to be able to choose from 100 WGs. But since the services have deteriorated, he is starting to re-think that logic.

Like you, I am not confident that the trend will reverse. With the previous complainers-well they always complained. I am started to hear complaints from mongers who I perceive as the easy-going type. Guys who used to be huge fans of Sharks believe Sharks is no longer the safehaven it once was. That it joins Palace, Mainhattan, and Oase.

A while ago, when there was a discussion about a bunch of locals who come in on Sundays, lounge around all day and night, hardly take any sessions -- I asked what is the point about wasting 50 E entry fee on lousy food and a so so pool and a loud smoky lounge, and someone (it might have been you McA -- let's face it, it is always just you and me getting into these endless wonkish discussions that have nothing to do with Ramona taking just half the dick into the mouth during BJ or Jenny arches her back too much while doing doggie, LOL-- if I have to guess, you must be doing policy or strategy analysis for a living :-) said "but the locals are not like you and me, they want to come in, relax, meet friends, eat and drink; fucking is less important to some of them".

Now, we are saying the locals want to hurry up their fucking because they don't have enough time to relax / eat / meet people, because they have a wife at home and father in law next door to the club, hence they might logically prefer the RLD over FKK.

I don't doubt there are both types of locals. Just as there are tourists who want to go up and down stairs and those who want to sit next to the Sharks waterfall and watch Steffi's super nice derriere all day.

But the market is the sum total of all these people. And in that market, for a while, price is either going up, or service going down for a given price. We can take this or that sub-group and present anecdotal examples and forecasts. But on the whole, the trend is one way, and that is not in the direction to the liking of most mongers here.

[MyTwoInches]

I have to say nrw is much more honest than other region for time and service, oceans are exception, but I do like Oceans too.

Some NRW clubs keep out the undesirable riff raff customers, and that makes those clubs much better. True.

[Mr Ho]

Next up was Globe, we went on a Monday and Tuesday and it was really dead. Not many guys, but around 20 girls. 90 switz franc to get in and 140 for half an hour. They say once you touch the girl your 30 minutes starts. That 140 includes DFK, eating pussy, and BBBJ, 50 more for CIM. I had 3 girls and enjoyed 2 of my sessions. They also can use the same shower as you, so if they like you they will shower with you after. I had sessioned with one girl and I came out and they had a show on stage with 4 girls and they were kissing and licking each other out, turned me on right away so I went and got another session right away haha. On Tuesday, they said they close all the rooms and only sex is allowed in the open from 2-9 pm. There was this asian guy that was having sex with a girl right in the middle of the stage on Monday, it was funny. The girls there look like they enjoy being there. They were playing music and like 10 of them were dancing on the stage together having a grand time. Overall I thought the club was ok, the price for half an hour is a killer with entrance fee.

Went to Artemis twice, the first time I went by myself. It was 60 euro for half hour, and if you want DFK, pussy eating and BBBJ it is 50 euro extra. I went around and asked a couple of girls if kissing is included with the 60 euro and they said 50 euro more..

Artemis used to be really good club from 2009 till like 2015, but I stopped going there in 2015 due to same reasons as you mentioned and mostly radical decline in line up quality optically.

How did you find line up of globe Zurich? Many stunners there to your eyes?