German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Gino02]

If you did attend Sharks prior to 2017 and got all the goodies from every single girl you fancied for 50 with zero negotiation, you were quite lucky but also unique. Or perhaps your memory is fading which happens with age. Most people have a nostalgic feeling that olden times were golden.

Here is one link:

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...099&viewfull=1#post1778099.

Talks clearly about haggling and upselling from 2015, a full 2 years before law change in Sharks. You can read through report after report from that time right here on ISG and you will see plenty of negative reports about Sharks from way back when.

I don't haggle even now. And I don't pay any extras for BLS, BBBJ, kissing. I ask the girl if kissing and BBBJ are included in 50; and if not I either walk or if the girl is super hot I will take a single session just to scratch the itch. Either way there is no haggling. And that is not a huge change from a few years ago a bit worse for sure, but not a dramatic change.

You are making multiple claims here:.

Wow! This is becoming increasingly unnecessarily argumentative, which I'm going to refrain from here onwards with you. You clearly do not feel the sentiments of the local Germans these days. Please look at the German forums (some links are shared below by other members) and try to learn, before you try to "win" a debate on German sex market. This is my last response to you on this topic. If you want to argue more, send me PM, else ISG Admins might shut down both of us. Good luck.

[Pessimist]

Not sure when you started mongering in German FKKs, but for most of us who are in this for decade (s), definitely the market started transforming from a set standard price system to a haggling FKK market right around the 2017 law. In some clubs few months before some after. Sharks for example never was a haggling place before that law. You don't have to believe me, just ask any old timer.

For USA, you maybe forgetting demise of Backpage and Craigslist as mongering tools. Today, I won't be surprised if the Sugar Babes sites get shutdown by some wives starting another #MeToo movements against cheating husbands, and lawyers claiming that these sites enabled people to prostitution. All it takes to blow some wind for or against any agenda nowadays is the viral social media.

If you did attend Sharks prior to 2017 and got all the goodies from every single girl you fancied for 50 with zero negotiation, you were quite lucky but also unique. Or perhaps your memory is fading which happens with age. Most people have a nostalgic feeling that olden times were golden.

Here is one link:

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...099&viewfull=1#post1778099.

Talks clearly about haggling and upselling from 2015, a full 2 years before law change in Sharks. You can read through report after report from that time right here on ISG and you will see plenty of negative reports about Sharks from way back when.

I don't haggle even now. And I don't pay any extras for BLS, BBBJ, kissing. I ask the girl if kissing and BBBJ are included in 50; and if not I either walk or if the girl is super hot I will take a single session just to scratch the itch. Either way there is no haggling. And that is not a huge change from a few years ago — a bit worse for sure, but not a dramatic change.

You are making multiple claims here:

1. Germany will soon (at some unspecified time) will turn into a mongering wasteland as bad as the US.

2. Sugar babe sites will soon be shut down in America and elsewhere I guess, again soon or in some unspecified time.

3. All of this will happen because of some bogeymen (feminists, liberals, leftists, whoever else you do not like).

As far as I am concerned, #1 and #2 did not happen.

Backpage is just an online version of the hooker standing at the street corner. It does not equate to sugar babe sites, far from it.

Even if seeking.com is shut, another sugar babe site will sprout. They will get more sophisticated. The cat is out of the bag. Most importantly, guys and girls know now that they want and need each other and with money as the exchange, that will not reverse.

In any case, we can all make dire forecasts. If you care to, make a specific enough prediction about #1 and #2 and let us know when it will happen.

#3 is an even more tenuous claim. There is zero proof that feminists, leftists, #metoo yadda yadda were solely responsible for limiting easy access to prostitution so far, let alone that they will be responsible so in the future. In DE, it was Merkel admin which is not leftist to my knowledge that was in power when 2017 law change took place. Perhaps you think anyone who doesn't adhere to your ideals is leftist, which is fine but that is not the definition most people use. In many western nations right now, center right governments are in place and if limits are placed on access to prostitution, those are the governments which will be responsible.

[Bfsie]

There is a discussion of the issue by locals on rheinforum:

https://www.rheinforum.com********bl...presseecke.34/

Google translate is your friend.

I knew and have been following the discussion. The mood of local German mongers is pretty desperate. When I answered Mr Ho and Pessimist's questions, I wanted to cheer up every reader here. But in reality, the possible outcome would be much more serious. Everyone here should be ready for Nordic model in Germany.

[Gino02]

There was haggling going in FKKs even prior to 2017. Palace turned into a fish market a while ago and Artemis and Oase were not heavenly abodes in early 2017.

It is not being comfortable, it is being realistic. My assessment is that Germany is far from being US (or worse than US) in the near term. If your belief is that I am wrong in my assessment, you are welcome to offer your argument. Also, if I'm wrong, in what timeframe will Germany be as bad as America? Any guess?

As for the rest of your post, it seems to me that you are using this occasion to unload on your pet political peeves. If the GOP puts nationwide legalization of prostitution in their election plank, you have a leg to stand on but I don't see it happening with religious groups being a big part of their base. I also don't think that seeking.com and sugarbabe is in any comparable to Weinstein or Lauer or other slimeballs who were basically . I have never hit upon on my female subordinates at work or used my power position to force myself on them. The exchanges on sugarbabe sites are with anonymous strangers with all the terms and prices agreed upon prior to the meet. Part of the reason this is difficult to shut down is simply because there are so many of them.

Not sure when you started mongering in German FKKs, but for most of us who are in this for decade (s), definitely the market started transforming from a set standard price system to a haggling FKK market right around the 2017 law. In some clubs few months before some after. Sharks for example never was a haggling place before that law. You don't have to believe me, just ask any old timer.

For USA, you maybe forgetting demise of Backpage and Craigslist as mongering tools. Today, I won't be surprised if the Sugar Babes sites get shutdown by some wives starting another #MeToo movements against cheating husbands, and lawyers claiming that these sites enabled people to prostitution. All it takes to blow some wind for or against any agenda nowadays is the viral social media.

[Mr Ho]

I don't know. It seems to get the momentum now in the SPD, one of two biggest parties in Germany historically. Some smaller parties in Germany have already committed to adopt Nordic model, so did some lawmakers in almost all the parties.

And Mr Ho, Pessimist.

Not at all. In fact I have never heard of it before 2018. As I said before, the core problem is that those politicians are fighting a defenseless enemy, the sex industry which doesn't have any organization representing them politically unlike say the industries in USA. German sex industry with annual revenue of about 15 billions euro doesn't have a single political lobby group or its trade union representing the industry and every FKK club, brothel, monger and so on are on their own. Vast majority of the German parliamentarians are not die-hard opponents of prostitution and they can be either for Nordic model or against Nordic model. But if they don't face any resistance from sex industry, they will go along with a few die-hard politicians who strongly oppose prostitution and want to adopt Nordic model..

You are right there is none or almost no lobbying group that lobby for brothels. , and even most male politician may use escort or even brothel in their private lives, they cannot openly support brothel existence if they want to be elected again.

Left wing always like to go extreme.

[Sailor501]

Had the pleasure to visit this place yesterday, totally different experience from Berlin, first its smaller. Second, the women don't rush you or try to get you into the room fast they wait for you to initiate, food was excellent, but I'm not a connoisseur, but it was real good, €40 to get in, 40 for 30 minutes 70 for 60, if you look on the website, they tell you what's included in the price, and the price for extras it's all written down no haggling, very clean, the majority are Romanians but there's a few Germans there also, I took Alex from Norway, check her out on the website really good service, the majority are Romanians but there's a few Germans there also.

[Sirioja]

Any of you regular visitors to cities or clubs in commutable distance of cities that have large Messe's have an opinion on the effect on number and / or quality of girls when a major exhibition is taking place? Positive, negative, neutral? Thoughts?

I didn't see much in Frankfurt at Oase or Sharks. Girls have to be registered now. Students can't anymore try one day to buy shoes.

[Smoke Light]

The SPD (a German political party) in Baden-Wrttemberg wants to criminalize the purchase of sexual services. The members passed a resolution at the party convention in Heidenheim.

https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.spd-landesparteitag-in-heidenheim-spd-will-kauf-von-sex-unter-strafe-stellen.dfe17367-b5ae-45f5-9b5b-70307fe2c22c.html.

There is a discussion of the issue by locals on rheinforum:

https://www.rheinforum.com********bl...presseecke.34/

Google translate is your friend.

[Smoke Light]

Any of you regular visitors to cities or clubs in commutable distance of cities that have large Messe's have an opinion on the effect on number and / or quality of girls when a major exhibition is taking place? Positive, negative, neutral? Thoughts?

More customers during messe at major clubs, sometimes two times more men compared to non-messe periods. However, the girls are fully aware of messe schedules, so LU also jumps to a full strength. It's not so bad except maybe longer waiting times for a key at peak periods and more public action in kino late at night. I wouldn't stress over the issue too much.

[Abox79]

Any of you regular visitors to cities or clubs in commutable distance of cities that have large Messe's have an opinion on the effect on number and / or quality of girls when a major exhibition is taking place? Positive, negative, neutral? Thoughts?

[Pistons]

, the only real way for these laws to make a difference is for guys to think they do. If prostitution is allowed to continue in some form, then other than self-enforcement, various restrictions won't be any more effective than they are now.

Don't believe the hype.

Good luck on restricting the hormones on millions of single men.

Lets get real here? The only way to stop it is complete orwellian control of the population ala 1984. Big Brother sees you, illiberal fanatical society. And who wants that? Any sane person would say that such a society is far far worse of a nightmare than some petty crimes like selling sex. Something every single mammal naturally does by nature.

And by making something illegal, you make it popular too. Just look at the marijuana trade.

I personally think the luciferians rule the world. And taking a look at the Georgia Guidestones, petty crimes will be legalized. But there may be setbacks such as this. Although for the time being, legalizing the sale, and illegalizing the purchase of sex may be a tool used to extort individuals the elite doesn't like.

[Neurosynth]

The SPD (a German political party) in Baden-Wrttemberg wants to criminalize the purchase of sexual services. The members passed a resolution at the party convention in Heidenheim.

https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.spd-landesparteitag-in-heidenheim-spd-will-kauf-von-sex-unter-strafe-stellen.dfe17367-b5ae-45f5-9b5b-70307fe2c22c.html

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The most interesting line in the story to me was this (machine translation):

"Critics complain about the lack of effect of the law. ".

As I've been saying for years now...these laws are so far ineffective.

Pendulums swing, and it could be that this is just the beginning of a German clampdown on commercial sex. But as I've been saying all along, the only real way for these laws to make a difference is for guys to think they do. If prostitution is allowed to continue in some form, then other than self-enforcement, various restrictions won't be any more effective than they are now.

Don't believe the hype.

[Bfsie]

Pistons,

I got what you said and have pretty much the idea of how German sex industry would be if Germany became a nation with Nordic model.

Thank you very much again.

[Pessimist]

Well, don't be so comfortable about the future of pay sex in Germany. You have already seen the effects of 2017 laws that unnecessarily destabilized the German standard pricing model to a price haggling model similar to USA and UK. You never know what happens when liberals go crazy; they will ban plastic straws but provide free plastic syringes to inject heroine. Or like in UK, they will hold a vote but will not respect the result of the vote if they lose. Someone might just start another #MeToo movement against all pay sex, including arrangements like Seeking.com. In fact, weren't the Harvey Weinstein cases actually the Sugar Babes arrangements of that era? Be careful out there brother.

There was haggling going in FKKs even prior to 2017. Palace turned into a fish market a while ago and Artemis and Oase were not heavenly abodes in early 2017.

It is not being comfortable, it is being realistic. My assessment is that Germany is far from being US (or worse than US) in the near term. If your belief is that I am wrong in my assessment, you are welcome to offer your argument. Also, if I'm wrong, in what timeframe will Germany be as bad as America? Any guess?

As for the rest of your post, it seems to me that you are using this occasion to unload on your pet political peeves. If the GOP puts nationwide legalization of prostitution in their election plank, you have a leg to stand on but I don't see it happening with religious groups being a big part of their base. I also don't think that seeking.com and sugarbabe is in any comparable to Weinstein or Lauer or other slimeballs who were basically [CodeWord127]. I have never hit upon on my female subordinates at work or used my power position to force myself on them. The exchanges on sugarbabe sites are with anonymous strangers with all the terms and prices agreed upon prior to the meet. Part of the reason this is difficult to shut down is simply because there are so many of them.

[Pistons]

I've met plenty of Romanian girls in FKK's in both Germany and Austria who has been where I live. Working. But for maybe just a trip or two. So consider Europe more as one large market. Anything else is naive.