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[NNC1701]

Asalamu Alaikum Pistons! If we're going to recommend review sites, I beg that we always add a caveat, something like this old post from the GT thread:

I mean, there is always a danger people will just graze on stuff on ijsberenforum and take it at face value. I wish to warn forum readers who are less experienced than present company.

Before you start reading a site like that and believing everything you see, here's an idea: try to get a sense of the community there by contributing useful information yourself. What you will usually find is this: if you write a positive review, it will be accepted without any problem, but as soon as you write anything negative, there is a strong chance it will be censored / edited. If it is not censored, then a number of moderators and longtime posters will jump on you and insult your race, your hygiene, and your behaviour to women -- all without having met you or knowing where you come from or actually the slightest thing about you.b.

Very interesting points Polyamorist and I completely agree with you.

It's also known as "astroturfing," which is trying to influence public opinion by creating a false grass roots movements (hence the name "astroturf" Here is a very interesting video and explanation from TEDx University of Nevada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bYAQ-ZZtEU.

The Dutch forum simply does not have any credibility left for me because for me it has become nearly impossible to filter out the genuine reports from the (fake?) advertisement or biased reports from men who have fallen in love with a hooker. Perhaps the audience of Dutch and Dutch-speaking Belgian FKK visitors who take the trouble to write something on a forum is just too small in order to have a reliable sampling of what goes on in the few clubs near the Dutch-Belgian border? For myself, the contrast between my own expectations and the things promised on that forum was just too big, and after quite a few disappointed visits to GT and LR I've decided to avoid those places.

Of course one can find gems everywhere, if you have seemingly unlimited cash and time and are willing and able to visit several clubs every week like Sirioja, but for a relatively new guy like myself with a limited budget it's simply not feasible to follow that strategy. I just want to visit a club with lots of available sexy girls and where I can get laid. I'm not looking for "pancake-sessions," I'm not looking to be pressured into a session by girl just because I went with her last time, and I'm definitely not looking for long term expensive 'FKK-wife' relationship, but in GT and LR this is obviously too much to ask for.

[Pistons]

Polyamorist,

How would you describe the practise here on ISG regarding admins reading our posts before posting them? And sometimes holding them back or even rewriting them?

Please recognize the the purpose of monitoring reports it not to aggravate you but to keep the forum free of SPAM. It is specifically because we put in the work to monitor posts that The Forum is relatively SPAM free.

And you being in moderation is up to you because you constantly tried to discourage Members from Posting.

And next time you will be banned.

A3

[Mr Ho]

She was really into me so the divorce was totally painless and there potentially could have been a lot of pain inflicted on me but she walked away without wanting anything.

She did not know as I had written before but I think she sensed a gradual lack of interest on my part and different priorities, ie my travels.

I actually adore women and think some women can shine even in their 40's, most do not but some age very well. The million dollar question is this, no matter how gorgeous she is, can anyone honestly be satisfied with just one woman, I do not think I can. My sexual drive is just way too high. Is there an ideal woman that can keep someone like me interested and engaged for a prolonged period of time, over 2 years, I am not sure and do not think so.

So I wish her best of luck with her life then, I hope her financial situation is stable via her own income and her private life will be fulfilled once again by man who is not professional monger like us LOL.

Well if I know of such woman to marry sexual active guy like you and I who often make mysterious travels, yeah sure I do know many girls like that. The solution is to marry FKK girls and as long as you got the cash to provide her, she will tolerate most things you do LOL.

No money, No honey LOL LOL LOL!

[Delta Indigo]

Congratulation on your winning of freedom and released from Prison De La Marriage LOL.

I hope you did not have to pay alot of money upon your release.

However, ok she was tolerant, let you go free, and I assume she did not cheat on you with other guy while you are away, then. , why did you divorce? I mean it would have been good companion to have in house if you two got along and also ahh maybe you got to fuck your wife and after mongering with beautiful tute. It is hard to fuck wife who is old I guess?

OK love is cool, I got it, but I always wonder how these husband managed to fuck their ugly old wives. I mean after 35 or 40 women tend to be finished and this begin actually at age 30. I mean even the presentable middle age women are with Botox. Etc.

I mean there is some strange vulgar odor to middle age women which begin after age 30. They get more vulgar, impulsive, opinionated and physically ugly. What is that, is that years of fucked up life women become like this after age 30 ?

On the other hand, there are something so fresh and clean and beauty and cute in girls from age 18 till let say 24 or 25.

She was really into me so the divorce was totally painless and there potentially could have been a lot of pain inflicted on me but she walked away without wanting anything.

She did not know as I had written before but I think she sensed a gradual lack of interest on my part and different priorities, ie my travels.

I actually adore women and think some women can shine even in their 40's, most do not but some age very well. The million dollar question is this, no matter how gorgeous she is, can anyone honestly be satisfied with just one woman, I do not think I can. My sexual drive is just way too high. Is there an ideal woman that can keep someone like me interested and engaged for a prolonged period of time, over 2 years, I am not sure and do not think so.

[AdamVeden]

For SB, need be careful if you are professional in academic. These SB can black mail you, and you can loss your job for harass your students.

As I wrote in a previous answer I have never had one of my own students as a SB. I also have had tenure for almost 30 years. Hence, there would be no legal ground for firing. Actually, according to the laws of my country I am not forbidden to have sex with my students unless I am seriously misusing my position to get sex or if I would accept sex as a "bribe" to give her (or him) better grades (and in the later case the student would also be punished). What I am forbidden to do is to examine a student I am having sex with (or any relative, close friend or enemy) as I am that case would be considered to be biased. I can still teach the student, but another professor have to be the examiner as sometimes happens on my campus when a professor get his / her own children as students.

[Pistons]

The problem is line up, I mean it really went down in quality a lot. We lived in golden age from 2009 till 2014 ish. After 2015, it is finished.

Well, both you and me used to visit Artemis a lot in that period. So sure Artemis is not at the same level these days. But a club like Oase for example has a better lineup from 2015 until today than it had prior to 2015. At least optically. And service was about the same before 2015 just with less upselling. True the 50 e sessions at Oase has deteriorated, but its not due to optics. So it is not the same everywhere. Then there are also some new clubs the last 3-4 years too, like Oceans, Marina, Wellcum. Not all are in the same area sure, but these girls drift between the 20-30 top FKK's, so it really is one market to a high degree.

Other clubs that has fallen are VV and PHG. They had great reviews 5 years ago. But today not so much.

With many clubs it is just a matter of 2-3 top girls joining or leaving the clubs. That is all the difference between a great day and waste of time. Most clubs aside from the biggest 5-7 FKK's hardly ever have more than 5 stunners, and mostly just 2-3. So if those are away, its grim. And it can be a do or die for the club. Not to mention for the word of mouth regarding that club. At least if you are picky like some of us. Some others in here may even consider many clubs to be a 1 girl club. And may leave with no sessions on a third of their visits to many clubs. But that is how it is in smaller clubs. The problem with the bigger clubs on the other hand is more drama. More group gangs of girls posing restrictions on fellow girls at the clubs etc etc.

[All For Bb]

Is 3338 the number of girls, the number of encounters, or the number of intercourses with prostitutes?

I am far from your number, but anyway lost count far ago. The reason I am asking is that I travel a lot in my profession (academic), but quite often when I am attending a conference or staying in the same city I usually have sex with one or two girls every night, but I rather often visit the same brothels / FKK during the stay and several times have had sex with the same girl up to four times during a week. Hence, the number of girls will be less than my number of encounters. And because of overnights with escorts the number of intercourse will be larger that the number of encounters. I also, at home, quite often tend to have one or two students as sugar babies for some period of time often until they graduate or get a boyfriend.

For SB, need be careful if you are professional in academic. These SB can black mail you, and you can loss your job for harass your students.

[All For Bb]

I was married until nine years ago and started mongering three years before I became divorced. I used to live in the London and travel to Eastern Europe to do most of my mongering, I used to go away on short trips for weekends and so.

My ex was pretty tolerant in letting me get away and she used to be very attached to me, but with marriage this stuff is hard to sustain and our marriage didn't last.

I never told her but being away a lot without your spouse is hard to maintain without active acquiescence, how did you mange that?

My count is around 500 I would guess, I lost count a long time ago around 230. I have mongered in Germany, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Belgium, the Netherlands and Spain.

Does she know or do you have a job that involves very frequent travelling to mongering locations, just curious?

Yes for job related travel, no for her knowledge. I travel a lot. I can go anywhere at anytime. From your list, they are all in Europe. You need to go to Brazil, Thailand, and East Asia (Japan, S. Korea and China) to taste diversity of pussies. Not only Caucasian species.

[Mr Ho]

No money, no honey LOL LOL!

[Polyamorist]

Other forums have more of a rating system on girls. Like ijsberen for example.

Asalamu Alaikum Pistons! If we're going to recommend review sites, I beg that we always add a caveat, something like this old post from the GT thread:

The deleting of on the dutch forum, is strictly a financial thing! Who is paying makes the decisions! The is a lot of (sponsoring) money going from some sauna clubs to the forum! And on this moment there is battle going in sauna club land! A new one pops up, where are the girls and client going? So they doing some moves, the last thing they want is unrest! So will let delete negative messages!

I mean, there is always a danger people will just graze on stuff on ijsberenforum and take it at face value. I wish to warn forum readers who are less experienced than present company.

Before you start reading a site like that and believing everything you see, here's an idea: try to get a sense of the community there by contributing useful information yourself. What you will usually find is this: if you write a positive review, it will be accepted without any problem, but as soon as you write anything negative, there is a strong chance it will be censored / edited. If it is not censored, then a number of moderators and longtime posters will jump on you and insult your race, your hygiene, and your behaviour to women -- all without having met you or knowing where you come from or actually the slightest thing about you.

How do I know this? Because I've tried the experiment personally and that is what happens. I tried it last on ijsberenforum, but the same applies to most other review sites, including freiercafe, 6 profi, sexomercadobcn, etc.

The general idea is a bit more subtle than censorship: when these guys jump on you, they are encouraging you to self-censor. Very few people can resist this kind of "peer" pressure, and as a result these forums are filled with compliant guys who will deny their own experiences where necessary and only ever serve as advertisers for the clubs. It is no wonder that companies like Facebook spend billions investigating the powerful force of conformity, and figuring out how it can be deployed to support corporate agendas. So if you happened to be reading ijsberenforum and wondering why it is 90-95% gooey drool from super-domesticized polar bears padding about, this is a big part of the reason why. Yeah, every now and again a negative review will slip through (someone mentioned this happened for Amira from LR). But they only dare to do that in extreme cases.

While we're on the subject, it's worth noting that social media bots have advanced in leaps and bounds recently. In two years time, if you post a negative review, you will have the privilege of being harrassed not by humans but a team of proto-AIs. That's going to be fun! But it does make me feel a bit sad for any bright-eyed bushy-tailed grads who were pulled into the erotic trolling industry with the promise of an exciting career. They will shortly be automated out of a job.

[AdamVeden]

3338 is number of girls (I kept the record). If I repeat a girl 5 times, it still count 1. If I fuck 3 times an overnight stay, it also just count 1. Among 3338, most of them SW, but including a small amount of none SW. These are normal GF and / or sugar babies (SB). How to reach this number? In early years, I fuck about 8-10 girls in one club visit (the highest number is 13 on one day visit). About 30-40 per FKK visiting week. About 4-5 times a year to go to FKK. Therefore, about 200 per year. About 15 years, you reach this number. I usually not repeat. BTW, because of the "me too" movement, do SB on campus maybe dangerous. How did you do this?

Your numbers are very impressive! I have never managed more than 3 times on one day. But I never had any deliberate FKK visiting week– I have mostly sneaked away sometime during the day or the evening when I have gone to conferences or research exchange visits. Sometimes it could be difficult to sneak away or not convenient. I once, regrettably, had to say no thank you to a very sexy and charming girl working in a brothel who wanted to come to my hotel room after she had finished her shift – one of my female doctoral students were staying in the room next to mine.

One of my most memorable FKK visits were in Munich many years ago – I had missed my connection onwards and had to wait half a day for the next flight and decided that a FKK-visit would be the best way to spend the waiting time. It was memorable because it was an unplanned visit and because of the quality of the girls I meet at the FKK.

Regarding SB on campus: I have never been "sugardaddy" to one of my own students, although I have been tempted and I have got several invitations that could not be misunderstood. My sugarbabies have, for example, been students who have done some escorting and who actually turned out to be more interested in having just one SD, some help with writing term papers and of course some "financial support" and gifts. Once it was a daughter of a friend of a friend who I at the first instance helped with school assignments – she was a "good girl" with excellent grades from a well to do family who was excited by being naughty on the side. She did not need the money, but she was turned on by, in secret, being a "bad girl" – a prostitute. If you recognize the signs you will find that there are a significant numbers of young girls who are interested in having a "generous" lover – unlike the girl who got turned on by being a prostitute in secret many SB do not see themselves as being prostitutes.

[Mr Ho]

Other forums have more of a rating system on girls. Like ijsberen for example. But there is a danger in some clubs that girls will hold back if you start writing too much about their room performance. That's why I hold back and only rate optics mostly.

I think Line up info or rating is better because as for the performance it is each their own, I mean these girls are human too, so they open up more for some client they like or some client who pay or visit regularly or clients they like.

The problem is line up, I mean it really went down in quality a lot. We lived in golden age from 2009 till 2014 ish. After 2015, it is finished.

[Mr Ho]

I was married until nine years ago and started mongering three years before I became divorced. I used to live in the London and travel to Eastern Europe to do most of my mongering, I used to go away on short trips for weekends and so.

My ex was pretty tolerant in letting me get away and she used to be very attached to me, but with marriage this stuff is hard to sustain and our marriage didn't last.

I never told her but being away a lot without your spouse is hard to maintain without active acquiescence, how did you mange that?

My count is around 500 I would guess, I lost count a long time ago around 230. I have mongered in Germany, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Belgium, the Netherlands and Spain.

Does she know or do you have a job that involves very frequent travelling to mongering locations, just curious?

Congratulation on your winning of freedom and released from Prison De La Marriage LOL.

I hope you did not have to pay alot of money upon your release.

However, ok she was tolerant, let you go free, and I assume she did not cheat on you with other guy while you are away, then. , why did you divorce? I mean it would have been good companion to have in house if you two got along and also ahh maybe you got to fuck your wife and after mongering with beautiful tute. It is hard to fuck wife who is old I guess?

OK love is cool, I got it, but I always wonder how these husband managed to fuck their ugly old wives. I mean after 35 or 40 women tend to be finished and this begin actually at age 30. I mean even the presentable middle age women are with Botox. Etc.

I mean there is some strange vulgar odor to middle age women which begin after age 30. They get more vulgar, impulsive, opinionated and physically ugly. What is that, is that years of fucked up life women become like this after age 30 ?

On the other hand, there are something so fresh and clean and beauty and cute in girls from age 18 till let say 24 or 25.

[Delta Indigo]

Yes. Still can do this and travel a lot alone. Also, many overnight experience, different from short time in FKK.

I was married until nine years ago and started mongering three years before I became divorced. I used to live in the London and travel to Eastern Europe to do most of my mongering, I used to go away on short trips for weekends and so.

My ex was pretty tolerant in letting me get away and she used to be very attached to me, but with marriage this stuff is hard to sustain and our marriage didn't last.

I never told her but being away a lot without your spouse is hard to maintain without active acquiescence, how did you mange that?

My count is around 500 I would guess, I lost count a long time ago around 230. I have mongered in Germany, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Belgium, the Netherlands and Spain.

Does she know or do you have a job that involves very frequent travelling to mongering locations, just curious?

[Pistons]

I was wondering if it might be a good idea to have a Recommended Girls Thread within the FKK Forums? We all do report on girls we really liked but it would be nice to have a single thread for all recommended girls where we could put short entries like: "Recommended: Tiffany (German), 19. FKK Atmos (see Atmos thread for full report)". Something like that. What do you think? It would help us to choose when we are visiting an FKK.

Other forums have more of a rating system on girls. Like ijsberen for example. But there is a danger in some clubs that girls will hold back if you start writing too much about their room performance. That's why I hold back and only rate optics mostly.