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[Member #4636]

I think in the club where facility is good like Artemis with gym, in house doctor, solarium, few sauna, two pools, jacuzzi, girls sleeping area, roof top etc etc. 140 entrance for girls are justified.

But in other smaller clubs. With limited space and facility, it can be considered.

On top of that, owner need to deal with authorities, which require a lot of external help like lawyers, accountant, former police consultant etc. These are expensive cost.

For monger 50 euro entrance is good, but when it is like 80 euro it is bit too much for most clubs. The worst is palace, it is 75 euro and look at that limited space facility. For facility, I like the Artemis best. And for price I like GT Bruggen in summer with big garden and it is only 50 euro to enter.

Oase entry for 40 euro for 2 hours is also a fair and reasonable entry.

[Member #4636]

If there is no competition, why doesn't GT, LR, Sharks or any other club raise its entrance price to 150 euro? This is my last post on this subject.

Unbelievable that you said this! Please read value-added tax part of the following link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Germany#Value-added_tax

(For American readers, value-added tax in Germany is equivalent to sale tax in USA. He essentially said that if a store in US doesn't give you a receipt for the product you purchased, the store legally doesn't have to pay the sale tax of that product to the government)

I don't want to keep discussing. Let's let the readers decide what to take from our posts. This is my last post on this subject.

From your own link.

'The amount payable is the value-added tax it has invoiced, minus any amounts of deductible input tax.'

You probably don't know how VAT works.

[Sirioja]

I think in the club where facility is good like Artemis with gym, in house doctor, solarium, few sauna, two pools, jacuzzi, girls sleeping area, roof top etc etc. 140 entrance for girls are justified.

But in other smaller clubs. With limited space and facility, it can be considered.

On top of that, owner need to deal with authorities, which require a lot of external help like lawyers, accountant, former police consultant etc. These are expensive cost.

For monger 50 euro entrance is good, but when it is like 80 euro it is bit too much for most clubs. The worst is palace, it is 75 euro and look at that limited space facility. For facility, I like the Artemis best. And for price I like GT Bruggen in summer with big garden and it is only 50 euro to enter.

GT Bruggen and LR have entry 60, not 50, with free beer, but very average foods most of time now. Too expensive for me for what became LR, and GT garden is not on level compare to Vanilla, Sharks, Oase or World. Every day, Oase is 50 before 4 pm and Palace is 50 before 5 pm. Sharks can be 45 every Monday. Aca Gold is 25 before 2 pm.

[Mr Ho]

I think in the club where facility is good like Artemis with gym, in house doctor, solarium, few sauna, two pools, jacuzzi, girls sleeping area, roof top etc etc. 140 entrance for girls are justified.

But in other smaller clubs. With limited space and facility, it can be considered.

On top of that, owner need to deal with authorities, which require a lot of external help like lawyers, accountant, former police consultant etc. These are expensive cost.

For monger 50 euro entrance is good, but when it is like 80 euro it is bit too much for most clubs. The worst is palace, it is 75 euro and look at that limited space facility. For facility, I like the Artemis best. And for price I like GT Bruggen in summer with big garden and it is only 50 euro to enter.

[Bfsie]

No real competition in FKK land, ...

If there is no competition, why doesn't GT, LR, Sharks or any other club raise its entrance price to 150 euro? This is my last post on this subject.

Secondly and most important VAT is paid to government only when you issue an invoice or a receipt.

Unbelievable that you said this! Please read value-added tax part of the following link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Germany#Value-added_tax

(For American readers, value-added tax in Germany is equivalent to sale tax in USA. He essentially said that if a store in US doesn't give you a receipt for the product you purchased, the store legally doesn't have to pay the sale tax of that product to the government)

I don't want to keep discussing. Let's let the readers decide what to take from our posts. This is my last post on this subject.

[Sirioja]

I was with a pretty 21 year old civilian blonde last week. Looks wise, she could compete with the best I ever had in any FKK in my life. We were hot and heavy, made out on the couch for some time and I requested we take a sensual shower together which I enjoy thoroughly. She wasn't too sure because she didn't want to get her hair wet but agreed to please me. Shower was very nice, we made out more in the shower, soaped and washed each other nicely, and then moved to the bedroom. She blew me, then I ate her a little, and I suggested we move to 69. She agreed and positioned her pussy at my mouth and her ass in my nostrils. Boy, even after all that shower and washing, the scent was too strong and not in a pleasant way. I had to hold my breath to continue eating her. After a few minutes I reluctantly called timeout and we moved to other activities. The scent didn't bother me earlier when she was on her back and I ate her, but in 69 it was a bit too much. I love muff diving and her **** was reasonably clean and tasty but all of that came to a premature end due to her anal hygiene issues. Oh well..

For me, Romanian girls have better care and hygiene than most of German girls, some Germans are really very natural, not much sophisticated, average nails and shaving.

[Craiova]

VAT is paid to the government after deducting VAT of expense invoices. In case your VAT from expenses is higher then you claim it back from the authorities. This is how VAT works in Europe.

Secondly and most important VAT is paid to government only when you issue an invoice or a receipt.

How many mongers or girls get a receipt or invoice when they pay entrance? You know the answer.

And you know the BFH decision AZ. : V are 9/17 published at December 5th, 2018 concerning the decision if the club must pay the missing VAT in case working girls haven't done for their sales from sex service.

[Member #4636]

I know. WGs and mongers pay value-added tax and FKK clubs collect this tax for the government. For example, a monger pays a FKK club 50 euro as his entrance fee. Technically this 50 euro should be 42 euro plus 8 euro value-added tax (42 euro X 19%) and this 8 euro value-added tax has to be given to the Government. I was pointing out that the club turnover in Pksimar69's post included this valued-add tax, which shouldn't be counted when the clubs calculate their profit because they must pay this tax to the government.

VAT is paid to the government after deducting VAT of expense invoices. In case your VAT from expenses is higher then you claim it back from the authorities. This is how VAT works in Europe.

Secondly and most important VAT is paid to government only when you issue an invoice or a receipt.

How many mongers or girls get a receipt or invoice when they pay entrance? You know the answer.

[Pessimist]

I was with a pretty 21 year old civilian blonde last week. Looks wise, she could compete with the best I ever had in any FKK in my life. We were hot and heavy, made out on the couch for some time and I requested we take a sensual shower together which I enjoy thoroughly. She wasn't too sure because she didn't want to get her hair wet but agreed to please me. Shower was very nice, we made out more in the shower, soaped and washed each other nicely, and then moved to the bedroom. She blew me, then I ate her a little, and I suggested we move to 69. She agreed and positioned her pussy at my mouth and her ass in my nostrils. Boy, even after all that shower and washing, the scent was too strong and not in a pleasant way. I had to hold my breath to continue eating her. After a few minutes I reluctantly called timeout and we moved to other activities. The scent didn't bother me earlier when she was on her back and I ate her, but in 69 it was a bit too much. I love muff diving and her **** was reasonably clean and tasty but all of that came to a premature end due to her anal hygiene issues. Oh well.

Which brings me — one thing I love about FKK girls is that their hygiene is generally very good. Even after getting fucked more times times than I fart in a day, they seem to clean themselves up pretty good. At least to the point where DATY feels pretty clean and rectal scents are not a put off. While I am not a huge fan of eating ass out, with my more regular girls I have partaken that pleasure when in proper mood. Unfortunately, I cannot say the same thing with my civilian girls. Not all of them acquiesce to taking showers at the beginning of sex, some become offended and suspicious and declare haughtily that they are clean if they suspect your motive, and for nearly half of them even pussy is not smelling so nice and clean. Remember, these are not WGs and who have normal daily activities most of the time and I may be fucking them at odd times of the day and it depends on when their last bath might have been; even so, I wish they could be cleaner. Plus, hardly very many girls here use bidet after number two.

Perhaps this is an American girl thing? Almost all of the civilian fucks I experience are based in my native land. I wonder whether this is the same experience you gentlemen out there have felt in your own episodes. My sample size of civilian fucks is not necessarily small and hence I feel like this has been a widespread phenomenon in my experience.

[Bfsie]

But only private persons in Germany pay value-added tax. Companies don't pay these tax.

I know. WGs and mongers pay value-added tax and FKK clubs collect this tax for the government. For example, a monger pays a FKK club 50 euro as his entrance fee. Technically this 50 euro should be 42 euro plus 8 euro value-added tax (42 euro X 19%) and this 8 euro value-added tax has to be given to the Government. I was pointing out that the club turnover in Pksimar69's post included this valued-add tax, which shouldn't be counted when the clubs calculate their profit because they must pay this tax to the government.

[Craiova]

Plus 19% value-added tax of all the WG's and monger's entrance fee and other taxes.

But only private persons in Germany pay value-added tax. Companies don't pay these tax.

[Sirioja]

The point is that current FKK club format is a well tested format and I DO believe that If the owners of clubs have room to lower or eliminate the entrance fee of WGs and even mongers, they will do that because of the competition among FKK clubs in a free market..

No real competition in FKK land, bad or good casting, many guys are stuck to one club, you see always the same guys at GT, before it was the same at LR, some only go to Sharks. Some only go to cheap sex clubs, some only to AO clubs. Not so many free birds, not many follow girls like me.

[Member #4636]

Plus 19% value-added tax of all the WG's and monger's entrance fee and other taxes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Germany

How do you know that? Don't ask me the answer because I don't know it. I didn't say they are not greedy or greedy because I don't know. I just raised the issues which need to be considered when we discuss about whether they are greedy or not.

The point is that current FKK club format is a well tested format and I DO believe that If the owners of clubs have room to lower or eliminate the entrance fee of WGs and even mongers, they will do that because of the competition among FKK clubs in a free market..

You pay VAT when you give an official invoice or receipt. How many times have you got a receipt from your entry? Now you also know why they accept cash only right?

The turnover I mentioned is based on the income they make on a regular day on average visits from both mongers and girls and also sales from the bar.

Yes I also agree it is a well tested format because it gives good profits to the owners the way it works. But I expect to see either reduced entry for mongers or free entry for girls. Yes this will raise competition and at the end both will win, customers (including girls) and owners.

[Bfsie]

Corporate taxation in Germany is 15 %

Plus 19% value-added tax of all the WG's and monger's entrance fee and other taxes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Germany

Well I think they make much more because if you do the math these clubs make around 7-10 million turn over a year.

How do you know that? Don't ask me the answer because I don't know it. I didn't say they are not greedy or greedy because I don't know. I just raised the issues which need to be considered when we discuss about whether they are greedy or not.

The point is that current FKK club format is a well tested format and I DO believe that If the owners of clubs have room to lower or eliminate the entrance fee of WGs and even mongers, they will do that because of the competition among FKK clubs in a free market.

Remember Germany is a free-market country and the business in Germany are subject to intense and constant competition from their competitors. If a business is not competitive in terms of its price, it will quickly be out of business.

[Sirioja]

I've been to both clubs multiple times over the last year and it's not true that Globe girls are on average better looking than Aphro. Probably the contrary. Sure Megan is one exception but not every girl at Globe looks like her! I think it would be harder to make it at Aphro because the standard is higher. I like to go to both. They both offer different experiences. There are girls at Aphro with better bodies than Megan for sure. And some with prettier faces. She has a unique combo but it's one girl out of 100 at Globe. For service level Globe is more guaranteed high level service though as the rules are tighter. At Aphro girls are freer.

Megan is not the prettiest for me at Globe, when she was at Sharks. Some are sexier than her at Globe, but unfortunately for me, my eyes didn't see her level for look at Aphro, but average level of looks for more than 40 girls seen, was low for me, these girls couldn't work at Globe because not pretty enough. My bad experience when I drove 1000 kms on this day. Can't say about level in bed. I'm pretty sure Aphro girls pay not far from 80 on 280 to Aphro.