German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[The Cane]

I have to say that I think all of the allegations swirling around about fake handles is getting out of hand. It's starting to feel like the McCarthy error when almost everybody was a communist. Now everybody is a fake. Most assuredly we have some fake handles here. It's quite common on the internet. But, it's time for those making these allegations to either come forward with some solid proof, or they should ease up and let it go. I'm no longer willing to take these allegations at face value without any evidence or proof whatsoever. Now, I know for a fact that at least one person was being falsely accused. I know the individual personally, and we have a friendly relationship with one another. I brought this to the attention of the "committee", and his name was removed from suspicion. If an error could be made with respect to him, then one certainly could be made with respect to others as well (I believe it is so), leaving them falsely accused. Either present some solid facts, or stop accusing other members of being fakes on this site. I think that's only fair.

[Gino02]

Salaam Gino, yeah I've always felt a bit gaslighted when customers post to a public forum arguing against their own interests.

Thank you Poly. Glad to know that we still have some normal people on ISG.

[Polyamorist]

On top of that some folks here in ISG keep arguing in favor of these increased prices and haggling market stating its merely a different point of view, which I really don't understand how can a customer do that to himself. How much insanity we have to see that customers are not just defending but also promoting price increase and haggling of a service that only few years back was quite standard in the same markets? Are they real customers or actually vendors and their managers in disguise as customers on ISG?

Salaam Gino, yeah I've always felt a bit gaslighted when customers post to a public forum arguing against their own interests.

[Jolokia]

Hello,

I am on the east side of Stuttgart on business and I will be bored all weekend. The palace has been featured internationally but it appears they don't get good review. I'm looking to simply have normal sex with a girl attractive enough to keep me stiff. I get lost with all the admission fees and extras. Where is the best place to go and how many euros should I bring and pay for at each step?

Just go Sharks Darmstadt. You may drive, take bus from FRAport or direct regional train RMV. De.

65 euro entry, then one girl 50 euro every 30 min. Extra euro for your own alcohol. Many girls of all types and age. You will likely find at least a few to your like. Bring 300-400 euro is enough to enjoy with 2-4 girl if you arrive 14:00 and pace careful. More euro if you like 2 girls same time. Club is large enough to wander for explore, with nice outside area for sun. You will enjoy.

[Downandup]

Hey guys. Mighty quiet in here. I know some of you enjoy an update from rest of world and what it's like outside German FKK. As it's quite quiet in here, here's what went down in London last week.

Your post is welcome but please post in the London thread and then link to it here. It will help everyone interested in London then.

[ThatGuy23]

If looks matter most, which club in NRW would rank highest? Also fine with RLD, Laufh. Or maybe even agencies. Looking for younger, hotter women and don't mind the up selling.

Thanks!

[Gino02]

I think that it depends greatly on the clubs you attended. Some clubs, still to this day, enforce rigid pricing structures. Others fell apart well in advance of the new law. Last year I was in a club that was 100% German bears except for me on that day. The structure for pricing was set in stone. If you offered to pay extra the ladies thought it was a trap. This also comes down to the discipline of the bears.

You are right. In fact, your last sentence "This also comes down to the discipline of the bears" sums it all, which many of the newbie tourists lack and refuse to learn from the local German bears, leading to the current rampant price haggling market situation similar to a Turkish Bazaar. On top of that some folks here in ISG keep arguing in favor of these increased prices and haggling market stating its merely a different point of view, which I really don't understand how can a customer do that to himself. How much insanity we have to see that customers are not just defending but also promoting price increase and haggling of a service that only few years back was quite standard in the same markets? Are they real customers or actually vendors and their managers in disguise as customers on ISG?

[Chongmal]

If anyone thinks that the price haggling was as rampant before the 2017 laws as it is now, clearly wasn't in touch

I think that it depends greatly on the clubs you attended. Some clubs, still to this day, enforce rigid pricing structures. Others fell apart well in advance of the new law. Last year I was in a club that was 100% German bears except for me on that day. The structure for pricing was set in stone. If you offered to pay extra the ladies thought it was a trap. This also comes down to the discipline of the bears.

[Pessimist]

Can you please let me know what are my other personas you think? Asking because I really don't have any other handle on ISG, but will be good to know which ones you think are. Thanks in advance.

If anyone thinks that the price haggling was as rampant before the 2017 laws as it is now, clearly wasn't in touch with the real German market back then, just reading the old posts and commenting. Note that the wind of the 2017 law started blowing sometimes in 2016 (may even be late 2015, I can't remember exactly). New folks can argue here all day long about exact timing of start of general haggling and deviation from the standard rates, only those who were really there know how it was actually; unfortunately rest are only keyboard warriors.

It is nice and convenient to assume self granted seniority to one's self and dismiss alternate view points as coming from newbies. It appears to me that you are unable to actually discuss a point on the merit of the point itself and need a crutch of assumed superiority to self validate your own view. Very well.

The point of posting links to past comments is to show very clearly that for several years, experienced posters right here on ISG have been complaining about service level degradation in Sharks. Were all of them keyboard warrior newbies? That one person I referenced had 850 posts on ISG by 2015 and still complaining about Sharks services.

Furthermore, I see that you are somewhat prone to exaggeration. Your sentence here says "price haggling was rampant before 2017" which is not a claim anyone made and of course in your earlier comment you said there was no haggling at all in Sharks prior to the law change. Do you realize there is a huge gulf between "no haggling at all" and "rampant haggling"?

In addition, I see that you conveniently skipped your prior pet peeves about sugar babe sites will be shut down in addition to German sex industry going the way of US sex industry, due directly to "feminists, liberals, left wingers, #metoo". I asked when you think this will happen, and I am still waiting.

[The Cane]

Hey guys. Mighty quiet in here. I know some of you enjoy an update from rest of world and what it's like outside German FKK. As it's quite quiet in here, here's what went down in London last week.

Steve,

I love your contributions. But, I also believe in "thread discipline". If you want to write a long post about what's going on in London, then you should make your post in the appropriate thread where guys who want to read about the action in London (I for one do not) will be ready and waiting for your report. I know this is the FKK "lounge" where posts can and should be broader, but a detailed post like yours belongs in the London thread, and not here. It may be quiet, but sooner or later things will pick up, as they always do. You've been consistently one of the best contributors on the site. That great, but we all need to be cognizant of and respect the principle of "thread discipline" by not going too off topic for a particular thread and / or not posting field reports in the most appropriate sections of the site that have been set up for those particular type of reports. Keep up the good work! But in the London threads LOL!

[Steve 9696]

Hey guys. Mighty quiet in here. I know some of you enjoy an update from rest of world and what it's like outside German FKK. As it's quite quiet in here, here's what went down in London last week.

First of all if you like detailed experience field reports drop me an I'm. Even tho this is a long post it is not half the full story. I am not going to post it here due to lots of personal detail but if you want to read the entire adventure, senior members just I'm me.

Second a shout out to Andy F. I've never met a fellow enthusiast but Andy and I were both in London and seeing the same girls! So we met for a pint and it was great. Best of luck in your continued adventures Andy!

All girls below are Diva unless otherwise stated.

Day 1 Afternoon. Sweetie. Wow what a gorgeous and welcoming girl. Instantly at ease. Great GFE from a vibe standpoint. Light kissing was disappointing since DFK listed. Her body and face are literally perfect from my POV. Minor caveat below. 150/ HR.

Day 2 Nighttime. Melty Pantera duo. OMFG. Brought two bottles of wine and had one fucking rockstar party for 2 continuous hours. Melty is a fucking star and gets very flirty and sexy when she drinks. She clearly loves Pantera and there was light girl on girl I didn't pay for just because it came naturally. Two rounds including CIM and COB. 650 including CIM.

Day 3 Afternoon. Melty one on one. Just as great. Had her wear her red fuck me heels to bed. Solid and continuous eye contact during OWO and as I cum in Mish. Fuck she had a beautiful face. And so sweet and skilled. Rockstar. 150.

Day 4 Late night. Flory. Had a civvie date fail. Texted Diva at 1145 PM and in Flory's bed by 1215 AM. Fuck if that isn't great Diva service I don't know what is! Flory is gorgeous but brand new. You will need to give her direction but she is very accommodating. Again cum in mish staring into her deep brown eyes. Fuck that was nice. 150.

Day 5 Afternoon. Noleta. If you like them slim then Noleta is your girl. She is super nice and offered half a bottle of wine from her fridge when I arrived. Her BJ started pure in and out and I like to alternate that with licking. Told her this and she was glad to accommodate. After that fuck wow! Sex in all positions but finish CIM after literally ten minutes of being on the edge. Spectacular. 200 including CIM.

Day 6 Afternoon. Sweetie repeat. This was a bit odd. We had a bit of a misunderstanding and that resulted in her being much cooler to me. She did everything but mechanical. To her credit tho, I accidentally came a little pulling out of OWO too late. And she wasn't happy but had me shower off the cum and started again. And eventually keep a nice passionate appearance as I looked at her while cumming in mish (did you figure out that's my fave? Heheheh) 150.

Day 7 Nightime Scored a last minute Columbiana on Seeking Arrangement. After agreeing a price for 4 hours of dinner dancing and room time, she asked if her friend could come because it's her birthday. I thought she was trying to double up on price but nope. That's a freebie 2 for 1! Goddamn if we didn't have the best time, including blasting thru London in a pedal cab drinking wine from the bottle and singing Colombian songs! OMG top five kinda full experience (including an hour in the room). 350.

And there are two civvie dinner dates mixed in and an Asian MILF who fell in love with me and we danced nearly every night. Just a fascinating and Ro-girl filled week.

Anyone who is in London and not making use of recommended agency RoGirls at 150/ HR is patently insane! One of my favorite cities to visit for the girls.

[ZeroTact]

Hello,

I am on the east side of Stuttgart on business and I will be bored all weekend. The palace has been featured internationally but it appears they don't get good review. I'm looking to simply have normal sex with a girl attractive enough to keep me stiff. I get lost with all the admission fees and extras. Where is the best place to go and how many euros should I bring and pay for at each step?

[Gino02]

If you did attend Sharks prior to 2017 and got all the goodies from every single girl you fancied for 50 with zero negotiation, you were quite lucky but also unique. Or perhaps your memory is fading which happens with age. Most people have a nostalgic feeling that olden times were golden.

Here is one link:

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...099&viewfull=1#post1778099.

Talks clearly about haggling and upselling from 2015, a full 2 years before law change in Sharks. You can read through report after report from that time right here on ISG and you will see plenty of negative reports about Sharks from way back when.

I don't haggle even now. And I don't pay any extras for BLS, BBBJ, kissing. I ask the girl if kissing and BBBJ are included in 50; and if not I either walk or if the girl is super hot I will take a single session just to scratch the itch. Either way there is no haggling. And that is not a huge change from a few years ago a bit worse for sure, but not a dramatic change.

You are making multiple claims here:.

Wow! This is becoming increasingly unnecessarily argumentative, which I'm going to refrain from here onwards with you. You clearly do not feel the sentiments of the local Germans these days. Please look at the German forums (some links are shared below by other members) and try to learn, before you try to "win" a debate on German sex market. This is my last response to you on this topic. If you want to argue more, send me PM, else ISG Admins might shut down both of us. Good luck.

[Pessimist]

Not sure when you started mongering in German FKKs, but for most of us who are in this for decade (s), definitely the market started transforming from a set standard price system to a haggling FKK market right around the 2017 law. In some clubs few months before some after. Sharks for example never was a haggling place before that law. You don't have to believe me, just ask any old timer.

For USA, you maybe forgetting demise of Backpage and Craigslist as mongering tools. Today, I won't be surprised if the Sugar Babes sites get shutdown by some wives starting another #MeToo movements against cheating husbands, and lawyers claiming that these sites enabled people to prostitution. All it takes to blow some wind for or against any agenda nowadays is the viral social media.

If you did attend Sharks prior to 2017 and got all the goodies from every single girl you fancied for 50 with zero negotiation, you were quite lucky but also unique. Or perhaps your memory is fading which happens with age. Most people have a nostalgic feeling that olden times were golden.

Here is one link:

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...099&viewfull=1#post1778099.

Talks clearly about haggling and upselling from 2015, a full 2 years before law change in Sharks. You can read through report after report from that time right here on ISG and you will see plenty of negative reports about Sharks from way back when.

I don't haggle even now. And I don't pay any extras for BLS, BBBJ, kissing. I ask the girl if kissing and BBBJ are included in 50; and if not I either walk or if the girl is super hot I will take a single session just to scratch the itch. Either way there is no haggling. And that is not a huge change from a few years ago — a bit worse for sure, but not a dramatic change.

You are making multiple claims here:

1. Germany will soon (at some unspecified time) will turn into a mongering wasteland as bad as the US.

2. Sugar babe sites will soon be shut down in America and elsewhere I guess, again soon or in some unspecified time.

3. All of this will happen because of some bogeymen (feminists, liberals, leftists, whoever else you do not like).

As far as I am concerned, #1 and #2 did not happen.

Backpage is just an online version of the hooker standing at the street corner. It does not equate to sugar babe sites, far from it.

Even if seeking.com is shut, another sugar babe site will sprout. They will get more sophisticated. The cat is out of the bag. Most importantly, guys and girls know now that they want and need each other and with money as the exchange, that will not reverse.

In any case, we can all make dire forecasts. If you care to, make a specific enough prediction about #1 and #2 and let us know when it will happen.

#3 is an even more tenuous claim. There is zero proof that feminists, leftists, #metoo yadda yadda were solely responsible for limiting easy access to prostitution so far, let alone that they will be responsible so in the future. In DE, it was Merkel admin which is not leftist to my knowledge that was in power when 2017 law change took place. Perhaps you think anyone who doesn't adhere to your ideals is leftist, which is fine but that is not the definition most people use. In many western nations right now, center right governments are in place and if limits are placed on access to prostitution, those are the governments which will be responsible.

[Bfsie]

There is a discussion of the issue by locals on rheinforum:

https://www.rheinforum.com********bl...presseecke.34/

Google translate is your friend.

I knew and have been following the discussion. The mood of local German mongers is pretty desperate. When I answered Mr Ho and Pessimist's questions, I wanted to cheer up every reader here. But in reality, the possible outcome would be much more serious. Everyone here should be ready for Nordic model in Germany.