German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Steve 9696]

Kinda sorta. 25-30 K USD includes travel logistics plus 3-4 day side excursions within an FKK trip to destinations where I don't monger. Actual money spent in clubs is more like 15-20 K.

I do have local friends that I monger with who probably spend over 30 K USD. Then there are monthly fly in mongers from the US who I suspect spend closer to 40 K USD on FKK scene alone.
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Wow. 40 K on FKK. A dream. Still 15-20 K is quite respectable. Kosher Kowboy -- you are ther all the time -- care to share your budget? I know your predilection for Dietz probably helps.

I don't get benefit of FKK pricing often, so that hurts my expenses a lot. I started tracking about 3 years ago and said "I won't spend more than 4 K€" and came close. Then the next year. No more than 8 K. Last year no more than 12 K. This year I hope to stay in that 12 K range again -- busy year last year -- but it's starting off with a bang, so. We shall see.

Key of course is keeping it in my pants in the US. Really most pretty girls are going to be $400 and up. Thailand, Germany, and Brazil have the best prices, so visits there really help. Fortunately I have no travel costs since it's all work related.

[Pistons]

Yeah. I know some Christian Evangelists like that. But I haven't visited their church to see what their rimming practices are like.

What do you think the vatican pope cardinal's pine cone is for? By using the pine cone's fibonacci sequence, they can open up the bumhole in a more natural way. LOL.

[Pistons]

As usual, I have a difficult time connecting the dots in your logical train without having to make many assumptions while applying a large spoonful of cognitive dissonance. The first 2 points seem to be random thoughts so I'll leave you to it. The rest, in short, you claim that arrogance, prejudice, individualism, sexism, and ethnocentrism are due directly as a consequence of monogamy. I see no logical proof or even a logical roadmap to those claims. The claim that with polygamy, women would not charge? No. Attractive women will still prefer to sleep with attractive men, whatever attractive may mean. And the unattractive men will still pay to sleep with attractive women. It seems that you are implying that deprivation of sex leads to all vices. No. I am certainly more of a complicated organism than that. Having a month long mongering trip after which I no longer even desire sex, do I still have my feelings of arrogance, sexism, and prejudice? Admittingly so. We are more than our carnal desires for sex. Short of Mr Ho and PolyAm who also make many extreme unverifiable claims, I don't see anyone of logical mind who would share these extremist viewpoints.

Asking for payment of any kind for sex was the first profession there was. It might also be the last one to die out too. I don't know. But the idea is that if the society changes sexual structure, with it everything else also changes. It is basically a anthropology discussion we are having here on sex and reproduction. You can find classes on youtube from Yale anthropology. Highly interesting stuff if one has spare time to kill. And it relates to population control, globalization, bi / lesbian / gay agenda, agenda 21, united nations, bilderberg group, feminism and so on. One of the major contributors to the founding of anthropology as a field of study was Rockefeller. And there is a reason why. The freemasons believe in this. They are not really Christians as per say, but luciferians. And when you travel the train of thought back to the very beginning, you understand why. It makes perfect sense.

[Pistons]

What if it is the Lady who initiates rimming (ATM sex)? Is it disrespecting her to deny her that pleasure? And if you allow it is she disrespecting you by using you as a sex object? I finally understand why so many guys complain of being "treated like an ATM".

According to modern neoliberal justice practices, it doesn't matter what actions you or she makes. What matters is the perceived pretense of a potential possible action. Based on perceived preliminary ideas and statements. Not restricted to words, but also implied as a single impulse and how a random person subjectively reconstruct it.

For this, you can go to jail and get a death sentence. And you don't even need to travel across half the world. You can get the cops knocking on your door due to a comment on reddit. Or a glance at a woman's butt.

Wellcome to Ingsoc!

[Polyamorist]

The crux of what I'm talking about is people (could be a man or a woman) who go on and on acting like they are "better" than most anybody else because they act towards others in a more respectful manner. But when you look at what they actually do versus what they say, you realize that they are essentially being self-serving hypocrites who aren't any better and certainly don't hold the moral high ground they stake claim to.

Yeah. I know some Christian Evangelists like that. But I haven't visited their church to see what their rimming practices are like.

[Trombone]

25 k a year just on the FKK scene? Respectable.

Last year I started to keep close track of my mongering expenses (not limited to FKK land though) including flights, lodging, car rental, gas, etc. I was really shocked of how much I was spending; way way more than I thought. I have slowed down since then and am very careful now with how and when I spend it. You may not realize how much you are spending until you keep track.

[Takedown]

Yeah duh! We get that part. So, does a guy who goes on and on about how he respects women (when seemingly so many others don't according to him) turns around and seeks to perform ATM (ass-to-mouth) sex with a prostitute, is that somebody who truly respects women? Or just a sanctimonious somebody holding himself out to be better than virtually everybody else when he isn't so, and may be even worse in some respects? I think the latter. That was my point.

Not that I even do ATM but doing that does not negate respect. It's a "perverse" sexual act that can just be perceived as erotic, a fetish even. If the same guy is turned on by having a girl shit on his stomach, I'm guessing he doesn't feel disrespected.

What I was talking about was just basic respect that is obviously often not given. Common claims like, "I only see value in young women before they are old and fucked. " Or things like, "these tutes should be grateful for my 50 euro because they are from poor countries because I am providing them aid. " That's the ethno-socio-economic prejudice and sexism that I am talking about. Those people obviously are implying that there are tiers of human beings based on gender and socio-economic background.

[Takedown]

I get your point, but that is what Doctor Watson is for. Machine learning can do those tasks far better than any human being. Anyway, it was an example that can be used for almost, if not every profession out there.

https://youtu.be/r8M4TXLYJ6w

The idea is that eventually we will all have a medical kit at home using machine learning like ibm Watson, do some tests, upload them and then get prescriptions and best approach result shown to you.

I still don't think you follow my way of thought on the polygamous approach. And unless you do, it is like the discussion hits right past. So it is useless.

Sorry but Watson is not AI. In that application, it's still just a tool used to integrate data, a tool that must be used by trained professionals. All of the data integration in the world can't replace human clinical assessment because symptoms are subjective. If you think data integration is all that is required to practice medicine, you don't understand medicine and shouldn't be practicing it. Computers without technician assessment can't even diagnose automobile problems reliably and you think it can integrate human anatomy, physiology, and pathology to diagnose and treat your medical conditions without train professionals? That's how people die; or get butt herpes.

[Mr Ho]

The crux of what I'm talking about is people (could be a man or a woman) who go on and on acting like they are "better" than most anybody else because they act towards others in a more respectful manner. But when you look at what they actually do versus what they say, you realize that they are essentially being self-serving hypocrites who aren't any better and certainly don't hold the moral high ground they stake claim to.

Sooner we men admit that the deep inside, we are nothing much more than another hentai wondering around on this planet earth. , easier life become for men. It is just that we cannot admit that in public, so we come to sex forum, yet, in this sex forum, we often get many guys who claim to be I am different to other mongers LOL. Well, we are all same mongers in same cave, some slightly worst than others with very small differences in what we are doing.

[Takedown]

25 k a year just on the FKK scene?

Respectable.

Kinda sorta. 25-30 K USD includes travel logistics plus 3-4 day side excursions within an FKK trip to destinations where I don't monger. Actual money spent in clubs is more like 15-20 K.

I do have local friends that I monger with who probably spend over 30 K USD. Then there are monthly fly in mongers from the US who I suspect spend closer to 40 K USD on FKK scene alone.

That's a lot of words for saying absolutely nothing, but its OK, we all make mistakes.

In my experience, the majority of fly in mongers are internally angry, social weirdos. I suggest more FKK trips and possibly make use of the time outside of the room to hone in some social skills.

[The Cane]

What if it is the Lady who initiates rimming (ATM sex)? Is it disrespecting her to deny her that pleasure? And if you allow it is she disrespecting you by using you as a sex object? I finally understand why so many guys complain of being "treated like an ATM".

The crux of what I'm talking about is people (could be a man or a woman) who go on and on acting like they are "better" than most anybody else because they act towards others in a more respectful manner. But when you look at what they actually do versus what they say, you realize that they are essentially being self-serving hypocrites who aren't any better and certainly don't hold the moral high ground they stake claim to.

[ShooBree]

In short:

"They language they're speaking is a language of subtlety. Apparently it's something you don't understand." -Lois Griffin.

That's a lot of words for saying absolutely nothing, but its OK, we all make mistakes.

[Pistons]

What if it is the Lady who initiates rimming (ATM sex)? Is it disrespecting her to deny her that pleasure? And if you allow it is she disrespecting you by using you as a sex object? I finally understand why so many guys complain of being "treated like an ATM".

According to modern neoliberal justice practices, it doesn't matter what actions you or she makes. What matters is the perceived pretense of a potential possible action. Based on perceived preliminary ideas and statements. Not restricted to words, but also implied as a single impulse and how a random person subjectively reconstruct it.

For this, you can go to jail and get a death sentence. And you don't even need to travel across half the world. You can get the cops knocking on your door due to a comment on reddit. Or a glance at a woman's butt.

[Polyamorist]

So, does a guy who goes on and on about how he respects women (when seemingly so many others don't according to him) turns around and seeks to perform ATM (ass-to-mouth) sex with a prostitute, is that somebody who truly respects women?

What if it is the Lady who initiates rimming (ATM sex)? Is it disrespecting her to deny her that pleasure? And if you allow it is she disrespecting you by using you as a sex object? I finally understand why so many guys complain of being "treated like an ATM".

[Pistons]

Ridiculous, insulting, and disrespectful to people who spend the better part of a decade training in order to be able to deliver safe medical care. There is no hoarding of information as everything a physician knows can be googled like you suggest. However, the application of medicine is more complicated than you obviously give credit. Have fun parsing throughing differential diagnoses after wading through clinical symptoms while integrating them with imaging and laboratory data. Assuming you made the right diagnosis with doctor google, then enjoy googling your way through medications to pick the most appropriate treatment while avoiding side effects and medical interaction. And that's just general practice medicine without accounting for a need for interventions and rehab.

This is a juvenile statement indeed and shows a complete lack of understanding of modern medical complexity.

I get your point, but that is what Doctor Watson is for. Machine learning can do those tasks far better than any human being. Anyway, it was an example that can be used for almost, if not every profession out there.

https://youtu.be/r8M4TXLYJ6w

The idea is that eventually we will all have a medical kit at home using machine learning like ibm Watson, do some tests, upload them and then get prescriptions and best approach result shown to you.

I still don't think you follow my way of thought on the polygamous approach. And unless you do, it is like the discussion hits right past. So it is useless.