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[Lucky Nuts]

Never yet been to Germany but planning a trip soon. Could someone familiar with the FKK establishments in both cities, Berlin and Frankfurt, please compare and contrast the similarities and differences? Just looking for a very short summary for someone who has never yet experienced the FKKs in these two cities.

[Sirioja]

New law was targeting mostly AO and BBBJ was the collateral damage to our suffering LOL. At least, we still get it after annoying negotiation of some kind.

I miss those days, when let go to the room for 50 euro and 30 min session guaranteed BBBJ without any negotiation. Only LR and GT where you can get this now, but soon or later, it will fade out I think, so I guess till 2017 was the best of FKK era before restriction. I do not think they will put it back to as it was, but I just hope they won't restrict it further.

You don't seem to know much about level of FKK land since new law. Except maybe for very few clubs, but nothing changed for BJ and unfortunately same for AO sex in RTC, except maybe F39 Bochum. Good old BJ still standard, even in cheap Gold for only 40, where I tried 2 new girls for me, both sexy, both ate little terminator without asking anything, I proposed to one to finish in her mouth, because her pussy couldn't resist to my size, even she is 1,70, she asked 30 extra for CIM, I said: let s go, she sucks but found I was too long to finish, so she preferred to stop, so 2 BJ, 2 positions for sex with a super sexy girl, for only 40, but she is low level for sex, except for sucking and being super sexy. With second one, she was so lost after her whole shaking body orgasmus and told me she wanted to stay only 30 mn when we were already 35 mn, but she did let me finish, so more than 40 mn in room, I gave her 50 , she smiled and kissed. Same experience at World where I went with a supermodel, after her DATY orgasmus, she just wanted to give me pleasure, even she said I m a real sex machine, more powerful than in 20 s guys and she would not be able to work after me, like many say, but like most, she returned later.

On the other hand, some new girls at GT or LR are really not high level, for look or level in bed, kissing not always standard, not always natural BJ.

[Mr Ho]

I think it was on beginning of 2016, a Sharks WG was killed in a hotel between Darmstadt and Frankfurt, by her in love and jealous client. Both died.

Similar event happened I heard in parking plot of Dolce vita or some NRW club, client killed FKK girl and killed himself, it was supposed to be love story turned sour is what I heard.

[Sirioja]

Maybe in the 70's, 80's and 90's. But after the turn of the century, hardly any serial killer has killed a prostitute as far as I know. Schoolkids on the other hand! The main target these days.

I think it was on beginning of 2016, a Sharks WG was killed in a hotel between Darmstadt and Frankfurt, by her in love and jealous client. Both died.

[Sirioja]

The point was that the (not so) new law was not crafted to specifically target AO clubs as was claimed. It was crafted to apply to all FKKs and other forms of sex work. (Whether the politicians had sincere concern for sex workers, or rather he law was based on ideological theory, or pandering to the public, is another question worth considering.).

I thought new law was to protect WGs health and also health of wives of clients. Many Germans go to AO, law don't seem to work everywhere.

[Neurosynth]

New law was not only about BJ, but also about AO which is illegal, even still some clubs for this and many guys running for this.

The point was that the (not so) new law was not crafted to specifically target AO clubs as was claimed. It was crafted to apply to all FKKs and other forms of sex work. (Whether the politicians had sincere concern for sex workers, or rather he law was based on ideological theory, or pandering to the public, is another question worth considering.).

[Neurosynth]

Maybe in the 70's, 80's and 90's. But after the turn of the century, hardly any serial killer has killed a prostitute as far as I know. Schoolkids on the other hand! The main target these days.

Sorry. Wrong again. For example this ongoing case where 10-16 prostitutes were killed and dumped in proximity in the last decade or so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Island_serial_killer

It is true, however, that the overall rate of serial murder seems to be on a decline, and thus there are fewer prostitute victims but also fewer victims of other kinds as well. The definition of serial murder has had the "cooling off period" criteria removed, and this removal of a psychological profile allows for radically different kinds of killers to now be counted. For example, gang members who act essentially as hit men are now counted as serial killers.

If there is a disproportionate decrease of prostitute victims, it's probably because serial killers who target prostitutes have a couple new factors that threaten their success. Serial killers in general are now claiming fewer victims, especially the sex crime type. First, DNA technology has been vastly improved. And second, street prostitution has been driven indoors in part thanks to the internet. But I've not seen a disproportionate decrease of victimization relative to the general population firmly established with numbers. Perhaps you have, and you can contribute that.

Regarding child victims of serial killers, "only" about 6% are younger than 10, and "only" about 20% are younger than 20.

https://www.vox.com/2016/12/2/138031...s-victims-data

[Mr Ho]

New law was not only about BJ, but also about AO which is illegal, even still some clubs for this and many guys running for this.

New law was targeting mostly AO and BBBJ was the collateral damage to our suffering LOL. At least, we still get it after annoying negotiation of some kind.

I miss those days, when let go to the room for 50 euro and 30 min session guaranteed BBBJ without any negotiation. Only LR and GT where you can get this now, but soon or later, it will fade out I think, so I guess till 2017 was the best of FKK era before restriction. I do not think they will put it back to as it was, but I just hope they won't restrict it further.

[ExpatLover]

Hello guys,

I plan a visit on next Wednesday.

I have been a regular to Living room.

Now I am thinking about to visit Sharks or other clubs near Frankfurt.

Appreciate if someone could suggest based on the recent LU.

Cheers.

Difficult to compare the LU from Shark vs LR on a Wednesday, probably 4 times more girls in Shark so 4 times more chances to be happy.

[ShellPower]

Hello guys,

I plan a visit on next Wednesday.

I have been a regular to Living room.

Now I am thinking about to visit Sharks or other clubs near Frankfurt.

Appreciate if someone could suggest based on the recent LU.

Cheers.

[Sirioja]

This is pure speculation, and unlikely speculation at that. If the intention was to target AO clubs the politicians would have singled out AO sex. But they didn't. They targeted BBBJ. They created a registration requirement. The AO clubs are a fraction of the overall commercial sex market. The law is across the board.

In a similar way the notion that AO club girls are trafficked or pimped more than others is also speculative. I seriously doubt the Romanian AO club girls were packed into bread trucks while the Romanian FKK girls flew in business class using their frequent flyer miles.

New law was not only about BJ, but also about AO which is illegal, even still some clubs for this and many guys running for this.

[Apollyon]

Report them.

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[Optimist]

Board is rife with it. One whaco guy utilizing 10+ main pseudonyms. Another 20+ occasional pseudonyms on top of that. All welcome to PM me for further info.

Sadly so. It is weird to think a guy might reply to himself using different handles, and even suggesting his own reports for Reports Of Distinction.

[Samplerr]

Not saying that what they write here is not true, but that the story excludes any counterbalancing facts about prostitution

There is a brief section near the end of the article that quotes Undine de Rivire from the sex workers association, and this provides some counterbalance.

[BigBuddy69]

This is from the typical mainstream perspective: the girls are always the victims. .... The reality, when things go wrong, is that pimps and girls conspire to rip off customers. Yep, mongers are the victims, especially naive ones who are new from Asia and so on.

No the reality in this particular case is that the girls are the victims. We're talking about forced prostitution here, not extorting more euros from a guy who has not enough balls to stand against the girl.

The sin of FKK owners like Rudloff is principally one of laziness. Instead of managing the girls themselves, they secretly outsource the recruitment and management to shadowy parties who are unaccountable and do not have the customers' interests in mind -- with predictable results.

The sin of Rudloff is that he's an hypocrite, a liar and a scoundrer. You can't deny that prostitution has its bad sides.