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[BaltiX]

Speaking of German women which clubs has the highest amount of German women working before the Coronavirus pandemic? I read Atmos has plenty of them and Artemis has more German women working there in the past, but what about other clubs?

[Pessimist]

There always seems to be this idea around here that the casual monger is more cash-strapped than the hardcore monger. I do not think that is necessarily always the case. The monger that attends once every three months and spends 100-200 EUR each visit, might just have a busier life and less appetite for paid sex.

I don't think I said or implied that anything about casual monger' income and wealth level relative to a hard core monger. It is much more about the commitment to paid sex and the share of wallet that gets budgeted to this activity. If every man's income is down 20%, the hard core monger will consider cutting out other parts of his expense structure to stay up on mongering spend. It is also likely that a hard core monger has no other responsibility such as family, children, etc. Such a person may already be living somewhat frugally or has the ability to become more frugal and cut back on spend on some other leisurely activity or swap an expensive car to a budget car, what have you. The idea is that mongering spend is that last dollar that will be cut from his budget. Perhaps he may take fewer anals or fewer CIMs etc, but he will not cut his activity volume levels too much.

Casual mongers probably have other avenues for sex, or sex is just not that important for them. It is one of the things they enjoy once in a while. I would think that the percent of hard core mongers among all mongers is quite small, not sure what exact percent it could be, but small. Many men pay occasionally partake some paid sex but this is not the center of their life. The income level of a casual monger could be varying over a very large range. You may have a poor guy splurging once in a while, or Robert Kraft visiting a parlor when he is on the road. For this group, when income is down 20%, they will naturally need to take a look at their budgeting and mongering is way down the list.

Gaming is one example. Hard core gamers are only a few percent points of total gaming population but spend the most amount of money on gaming. Most of the gamers tend to be casual and play the fremium games or once in a while pay up to buy some virtual goods. When the economy is tough, both hard core gamers and casual gamers cut back but more so from casual gamers.

I am somewhere in between. Perhaps a ProAm type. If I include my spend on sugar babes, my paid sex allocation goes up but even so, the total spend on paid sex has never exceeded double digit percent of my income.

[Sirioja]

I'm not disputing anything you wrote, but that is not surprising since about a quarter of all French people are located in Paris and its surrounding suburbs. :

Right for arithmetic and only 93 district named Seine Saint Denis around Paris is in big trouble, and unfortunately quite normal when we know about this district, in war every day and long time before virus, so many people are so exceptional to be be able to live, to go to school, to work there, but they don't have choice.

[Pessimist]

Let's see how many people move out of America because it's a shithole country now. We heard promises of moving to Canada during the 2016 presidential election, but almost nobody followed through.

No one will move and no other country will allow us to come to their country anyway. The question is not about people moving out. It is that Germany's perception of US is now at the level as what our PoTus referred to some other countries. This perception change may be a temporary one but the number of deaths in our country is huge and their loss will be permanent alas.

[Kamsutra69]

I regret not taking phone numbers of the girls from my 5/6 visits to FKK around Dusseldorf. I could have used some of it in these troubling times.

I will appreciate any help in this regard. I may not meet any of them as it may be unwise. But it will be great to have some contacts in the back pocket.

Happy & safe mongering!!

[Gino02]

Hessen minister commits suicide worried about Corona. Wow. I hope the shutdown of FKKs did not weigh on his mind LOL. RIp. These are tough times for everyone, but I am surprised someone in that position was as sensitive as he seemed to be. One would expect he would have a thick skin.

Germany advised all Germans living in the US to come back to DE. They think US is an unsafe place and that is saying something because DE has nearly 60,000 cases (but death rate is low). A while ago, Donald Trump called a bunch of countries shit hole nations. Now Germany is implying US has become a shit hole country during Corona LOL. Must be reverse Maga at work here.

Let's see how many people move out of America because it's a shithole country now. We heard promises of moving to Canada during the 2016 presidential election, but almost nobody followed through.

[SvenFKK]

- Over a quarter of all French cases are located in Paris and its surrounding suburbs

I'm not disputing anything you wrote, but that is not surprising since about a quarter of all French people are located in Paris and its surrounding suburbs. :

[Pessimist]

Hessen minister commits suicide worried about Corona. Wow. I hope the shutdown of FKKs did not weigh on his mind LOL. RIp. These are tough times for everyone, but I am surprised someone in that position was as sensitive as he seemed to be. One would expect he would have a thick skin.

Germany advised all Germans living in the US to come back to DE. They think US is an unsafe place and that is saying something because DE has nearly 60,000 cases (but death rate is low). A while ago, Donald Trump called a bunch of countries shit hole nations. Now Germany is implying US has become a shit hole country during Corona LOL. Must be reverse Maga at work here.

[Sirioja]

Just spoke with my girl by app. She claims she hasn't been around because her sister is in the hospital with pneumonia, and that she herself is self-isolating because she's experiencing mild coronavirus symptoms. The truth, or attempting to set me up for a third ask for money?

Had contact with many of my regulars, few Germans, most were Romanian, only one, real Romanian beauty at LR asked me 1400 € on beginning of 2015, after she left LR. No phone contact with Oana. Ro at World who asked me eyes in eyes in room and never returned with her. But I would say my Romanian girls were honest, asking me more if I would come. When I stopped with her on 17 March 2017, then on mid April, on end of June when I tried to resist until her birthday because I didn't want she worked to be fucked on her birthday, but on next week end, I decided to stop and when I drove back to Paris, I felt much better, then my LR Eve sent me to come back. I avoided her on July, discovered lovely Alissa, only returned on beginning of September after my great August 2017 with exceptional Lena. Ro at Wellcum, but she was really exceptional welcoming when saw me, changing some of her appointments for me, Alissa understood seeing us, but it was sometimes complicated even still good in room. Our last time was exceptional with 2 rooms as always. On next week end I really stopped, not going with her even she delayed her client who booked her whole week end. She came again on next week end, but I also didn't go with her, she became angry, I lost desire when she asked: You don t like me anymore? If I didn't like her, would have been much easier just to fuck a prostitute, but not interesting for me, I don t pay for such low level. I need woman image, only this attract me. I m happy when I find a girl who looks and with manners like a normal life woman, what I m looking for.

[MythoVirus]

I don't see a bright future regarding FKK for this year at least, 2020 will be the year FKK was deserted or even eliminated.

First is first, I'm not a pandemic expert, and for sure I don't predict the future. So all what I say should be taking with grain of salt.

As the SARS-Cov2 (aka Coronavirus) can never be contained as it's a pandemic right now. The only weapon right now is community immunity (aka Herd immunity) which is achieved once 60-80% of worldwide population has an immunity against this virus.

This immunity can come either from getting infected by the virus or via vaccine. Vaccine is the ideal way to protect the community however it will not be ready before spring 2021, so no FKK till then.

Or if we let the community to get infected to reach 60-80% then you have 2 options. The first option which is frowned upon is letting all get exposed to virus till the virus has no where to spread to as everyone will have it, this method is not accepted as it burdens medical care resulting in high mortality rate. The second option which seems safer is flattening the curve, to get less people infected over a short time, this method is basically what every country in the world is implementing however in order to reach the 60-80% of immunity will takes months and months and months.

I know all what I stated above is basically repeating what we all know, but if you put it into FKK future perspective then it is grim at best.

Prostiution will never die out. But the way FKK is set up, there is no way in heaven or hell that any country will allow FKK to be open for customers for at least 6 months (and I'm being generous its for sure more than 6 months).

FKK clubs are famous for close contact (hugging, kissing, sex), and famous for having +100 monger and WG in a close confined space. Not to forget to mention it is considered unessential for a community and many cases considered taboo by itself.

Since we are doing the "flatting of curve" measure, I do believe the government will ease up restriction once everything looks under control but under rules to avoid mass spreading the virus. So maybe we will see restaurants open but less tables and everything is spread few meters away. People going to their essential job. That sort of thing, but during those less restricted times I don't see a chance an FKK will be considered viable to be open.

As months passby, I do believe many FKK will be forced to shut down permanently as they can't stay liqued. And in the far far future once everything can open back, lack of compatition will mean FKK level of service might go down, being on par with Prague (sexy sauna) very low quality FKK.

I hope I'm wrong, but I can't see FKK will be back normal before 2021, even then, it might not be back to normal, just a mere shadow of its old self.

[Mr Ho]

I'm pretty sure after virus, poor girls and not only Romanians but also Germans will so much need money, and some will have learned from those back at home, so should be new blood and flesh in some clubs, of course some clubs are not best places for fresh girls. Prostitution will always work as long poor girls look for money and guys, even married, need sex. And also of course with peste / pimps / fish in business who want new Mercedes or Audi.

Life cycle of prostitution industry described well by Dr Siri LOL! And it is pretty accurate observation, in my opinion.

[McAdonis]

I think it is way too premature to take a rosy glance at the future. Maybe it's my name, but this is the view I currently hold. I am sure many will disagree.

I can offer an even pessimistic view. If the deaths pile up and the economy continues to tank, we could see revolutions in the streets. The politics of some nations are extremely polarized as it is. Both ready shift the blame for this crisis to the other faction. And with social media, it is easier to incite that outrage. I believe that is why China took the threat so seriously, they understood the future of the CCP was at stake.

But as said below, the casual monger who spends some amount of discretionary income on working girls will need to do a more careful budgeting and needing to figure out what is a priority. Fucking WGs or upgrading an old car or paying for kid's college.

There always seems to be this idea around here that the casual monger is more cash-strapped than the hardcore monger. I do not think that is necessarily always the case. The monger that attends once every three months and spends 100-200 EUR each visit, might just have a busier life and less appetite for paid sex.

[Rocky V]

Pay for It makes a great point. Discussion had centered on what would be the shape of clubs and even girls after this virus. But the state of mongers also has to be considered. Most of the current economic and financial forecasters are working on the assumption that infections would peak in a few weeks and then plateau or even bring the curve down. Almost no one is working on the truly pessimistic outlook that the Imperial College originally issued. Of millions of deaths in US+UK alone will come true (Dr. Ferguson seemed to be back tracking last week). Remember, Lipsitch from Harvard forecasted several weeks ago that 40% to 70% of the world may get infected, and Merkel said something similar about Germans also few weeks ago. Markets were down almost 30% but rebounded due to the massive fiscal and monetary stimuli of last few days, but the policy makers used up a lot of the ammunition. If the virus infections keep up the current pace of acceleration, and keep in mind we are adding 15,000 to 20,000 per day of new cases in US alone, we may not peak for a long time. Some experts said if total infections in a given area exceed 1% of the local populations, or perhaps 2%, social distancing and quarantining no longer work. Then all hell breaks loose.

Bullard of St Louis Fed said 30% unemployment is possible, and other economists said double digit GDP declines are quite likely for some period of time. Question is how long.

With this back ground, I think it is not out of realm of possibility that several million older people could die worldwide, and that many, many more will be financial worse off due to loss of job and loss of wealth due to market declines. Perhaps some of them will dedicate their last dollar to fucking working girls, I am sure some of them most definitely will. But as said below, the casual monger who spends some amount of discretionary income on working girls will need to do a more careful budgeting and needing to figure out what is a priority. Fucking WGs or upgrading an old car or paying for kid's college..

This is a very interesting analysis by someone, who clearly knows about this topic. However, you seem to assume that the virus will keep killing people in the months / years to come. The reason why this virus is dangerous at the moment is because it is new for humans we have absolutely no immunity to it (I have a medical background). The Spanish flu virus, which came from infected birds and killed 50-100 million people immediately after WWI, is still in circulation and many people catch it every year. However it no longer kills people because we have built up a partial immunity to it and we generally can defeat it in a matter of days by staying at home and drink plenty of fluids. The same thing will happen to COVID-19, for which effective treatments will be available in a couple of months and a vaccine within a year or even earlier.

In addition the 1 h-test for COVID-19, developed by DiaSorin, has just been approved by FDA and soon by EMA in record times and it has just entered the market. This will reduce the spread of the disease significantly and so the prediction of having 70% of world population infected will probably have to be revised.

I'm confident that we will soon be able to go back to our beloved hobby and we will be hand-in-hand, climbing the stairs to the room, with our favourite WG sooner than we currently think!

Rock.

[Sirioja]

I'm sure plenty of German girls will work in German FKK clubs.

I don't think for plenty of German girls in German clubs because of registration, but even Tabea. De was a real pleasure, my best at Sharks since June 2018, I prefer Romanians who have usually better care for body and better hygiene. GT moved Romanians from LR for more and more Romanians because not anymore enough Germans. But YY NL with no registration, should attract like before German girls. Wait and see if reopen.

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