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[Jmioffe]

There are pimps. Organized crime is heavily involved in the German sex business. Romanian, Albanian mafia, Hells Angels, Turkish Gangs, they are all there. I don't fool myself but I really don't mind I still go to FKK.

Yes, I'm of two minds of this.

I am aware that there is organized crime in this business. I also know some girls do ok on their own, judging by their lifestyles and short hours they keep.

I try not to go with the ones that I know are compelled. The other day I approached a very beautiful, popular girl that had poor posture, her shoulders around ears, it just seemed like she was exhausted.

She seemed friendly when I talked to her though, and I asked her who was that Seth Rogen-looking computer-nerd like guy she had been talking with for so long.

"Oh, that's just my manager," she said. I thought, "What does a girl like this in a business like this need a manager for?

And then I put the pieces together. Exhausted-looking, "manager" in the area. I soon made an excuse not to go with her.

Then I read on the board she takes a lot of health risks too. I couldn't help but imagine that kind of behavior might be a sort of "giving up" on your future.

It's tough to imagine. Are there any books or popular accounts of how girls like this get into the business? I think HB has said every story is different, but I'd be interested in reading, I do find it fascinating.

[Sirioja]

Does anyone know who was the Shark girl, 19, that was killed a couple weeks ago? Someone told me about it that she normally sleeps at the club. But that day she went with her "boyfriend", who was Albanian, and they were both found dead the next day? That was all the details I was told. I probably don't know this person but just curious.

If You didn t know this poor girl, her club name is not important. What is important for me, is I don t think she died alone, sleeping in her bed or falling from her bed and she was too young to die. But not the only one, some girls ran away from World, not because of lack of business, a top model moved to Sharks and had also problems at Sharks. I wish her to be better and to stay away from hells. I don t call albanians or bulgarians or romanians or some turkish or russians, BF, they just want money girls make and when girls are not able to make money anymore, they forget their big love.

Polizei is very efficient on autobahn to run after foreigners, so when they control a club, not only taxes to control, I think they know as well as me some tattoes talk, even some girls have these tattoes, they could also control phones and cars on parking, to clean the brothels pimps shit and help poor girls to be more safe. But they are more interested by money from taxes or over speed, rather than to do the safety job. Here is the World.

[Member #4585]

Could there be a crime wave in its early infancy with the relaxation of borders and incoming refugees from all over the place? Time will tell. It wasn't as noticeable in 2009 or 2010. Still Germany is behind Paris and London in this regard due to liberalism of laws as I posted before. I was sad to hear the bad news below what the hell is happening someone please explain?

Hi SV, yes it is a very sad situation. As you can see, our fellow ISG member, does not believe that pimping exists. That of course is his prerogative and is allowed to feel this way. It indeed is bad news as you say.

I even had a conversation with a friend who did not believe there was pimping even in London or Dublin let alone in Spain or Italy where mongering also goes on. He only thought pimping and fish occurs in Germany only since he only sees Romanian girls in the clubs. Go figure that one.

[StarletVoyager]

Could there be a crime wave in its early infancy with the relaxation of borders and incoming refugees from all over the place? Time will tell. It wasn't as noticeable in 2009 or 2010. Still Germany is behind Paris and London in this regard due to liberalism of laws as I posted before. I was sad to hear the bad news below what the hell is happening someone please explain?

[Micawber]

I don't need to be pragmatic since I don't buy into that narrative.

There are pimps. Organized crime is heavily involved in the German sex business. Romanian, Albanian mafia, Hells Angels, Turkish Gangs, they are all there. I don't fool myself but I really don't mind I still go to FKK.

[McAdonis]

So sorry to hear the obedience of the girls to their loverboys. These girls give all their money they earn in the clubs fucking old and fat men to give to their loverboys or their "protection". It is upsetting to see these perfectly good girls being subservient to these Romanian pimps (fish).

Just because I think the "loverboy" or "false employment contract" scam is less prevalent than two decades ago, does not mean that I believe that pimps / gangs have been somehow pushed out of the picture. Quite the contrary. My contention is most WGs enter the business voluntarily. And that paying for "protection" cannot be avoided. WGs do not act alone, neither do pimps. At minimum, there is a loose alliance among pimps in a region, and organized crime collecting money from that alliance of pimps.

Burglars will specifically "profile". They will target who they believe to hoard vast sums of cash: drug dealers, pimps, WGs, Asian merchants, senior citizens etc. Security should be a paramount concern to these groups if it isn't.

[XXL]

I am a pragmatic guy. Probably just like you.

I don't need to be pragmatic since I don't buy into that narrative.

[Member #4585]

How can you go on patronizing prostitutes given the circumstances your describe? The least you should do is resign from this forum and stop giving your money to the loverboys you mention. You are cold-bloodedly financing organized crime and human rights' violations!

I am a pragmatic guy. Probably just like you.

[XXL]

.... These girls give all their money they earn in the clubs fucking old and fat men to give to their loverboys or their "protection". It is upsetting to see these perfectly good girls being subservient to these Romanian pimps (fish).

How can you go on patronizing prostitutes given the circumstances your describe? The least you should do is resign from this forum and stop giving your money to the loverboys you mention. You are cold-bloodedly financing organized crime and human rights' violations!

[Hessen Bub]

The reason for the routine raid were the current investigation about tax issues and status of self-employment of the WG.

And more I'm also don't write about this bc there are still too many rumors about this and for me the truth know most likely only two person and both of them are dead.

+1. No additional rumours. Officially the raid (I'd call it a normal police check / control) at Sharks was part of a nationwide control in connection with trafficking of Nigerian girls.

HB.

[PussyLiccker]

Quick sum up:

Why they don't want to be seen by other men: YMMV.

Why they don't want to be seen by other girls: sharky atmosphere and upsales.

Public sex is still worth it sometimes, but it comes with a cost. And its not because of people being afraid to be seen... or shy...

1. Smart girls tell their friends that they give bad service
2. Groups make rules so that it easier for them to make upsales.
3. Smarter girls don't give a damn, and still do everything in the room. Thus gaining a long term customer.
4. Tourists gets screwed over anyway... so might as well do stuff in public then...

It's interesting because public action was more common in the past. At least my time was kissing to be more common. The question is why different now?

This happens in RTCs or some refer to as service clubs. Similar to Oase as far as BBBJ on the couch, but kissing is much more common. It's a normal thing there, and probably has been, and keeps going.

One argument is that girls don't do it any more because of the reason above, but why in the past more common? I would say, as less girls do it, the opposite becomes more common, and probably for reasons like YMMV and for business advantage in the scenario.

Although, I think when it was more common in the past, what she provides outside the room is public so other men can see what she provides, and she is ok with advertising her services. That means if more girls did it, it was more of a norm, and girl were willing to display what is provided on the open, but why different now is the question.

[Craiova]

I heard about this from one of the girls when I was there recently. She said that's what prompted the police raid. Really sad event.

I'm not sure though if we should be discussing this? I certainly decided when I was told that I wouldn't be broadcasting it.

AFAIK the last raid at Sharks had nothing to do with that really sad and tragic incident with the dead girl. The reason for the routine raid were the current investigation about tax issues and status of self-employment of the WG.

And more I'm also don't write about this bc there are still too many rumors about this and for me the truth know most likely only two person and both of them are dead.

[Jim57]

Does anyone know who was the Shark girl, 19, that was killed a couple weeks ago? Someone told me about it that she normally sleeps at the club. But that day she went with her "boyfriend", who was Albanian, and they were both found dead the next day? That was all the details I was told. I probably don't know this person but just curious.

I heard about this from one of the girls when I was there recently. She said that's what prompted the police raid. Really sad event.

I'm not sure though if we should be discussing this? I certainly decided when I was told that I wouldn't be broadcasting it.

[BadinSweet]

Does anyone know who was the Shark girl, 19, that was killed a couple weeks ago? Someone told me about it that she normally sleeps at the club. But that day she went with her "boyfriend", who was Albanian, and they were both found dead the next day? That was all the details I was told. I probably don't know this person but just curious.

[Pistons]

As Sirioja likes to say, if you spend like one hour at opening time or closing time seeing the girls being dropped off at work or being picked up from work in the club. You see all the BMWs, Audis and Porsches spilling out girls but driven and accompanied by young Romanian boys. You wonder whether can any of these girls actually drive a car or not since they certainly need a driver?

At Artemis I've seen lots of the girls drive their own cars. Its a little hard to spot at Oase because the parking lot is a bit away from the door, but I'm sure some of them drive at Oase too. Most girls at Artemis have BMW's though, but I've seen a girl there driving this funky small electric car too.