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[Delta Indigo]

There are no lockdown in Sweden.

The death toll in Sweden is ridiculously low, much better than Belgium, the Netherlands and Switzerland but still I don't hear you criticize them. Very interesting.

I wasn't going to answer this, but I will. My argument was that the lockdown mitigates the mortality rate and results in a slower rate of herd immunity, something which is actually happening everywhere in Europe.

All things being equal, I wanted to illustrate what could potentially happen in the total absence of a lockdown, some of the arguments I have read on the forum are like, "we have it figured out because we are just better people. " Like I said I lived in Sweden for quite a few years and I am familiar with the country.

Different countries are in different phases of this pandemic, Europe is generally in an more advanced phase than the US, death rates are now falling as opposed to the US, where the infection is in an earlier phase. Sweden is more geographically remote than Beligium and the Netherlands, this would spread northwards from the initial epicenters in Europe, ie Italy (although very the virus first appeared is in doubt). So in that respect the pandemic would hit the Benelux countries earlier than Scandinavia.

Secondly, Sweden is one of the most sparsely populated countries in Europe and the Benelux region is the most densely populated, this certainly has an effect on the progression of the disease, that is why New York is hit far harder than Los Angeles (if anyone knows this city it is a relatively sparsely populated metropolis and New York is far more dense).

So in order to compare like for like, I was comparing Sweden with Norway and Denmark, where the mortality rates are a lot lower.

What I said, and we won't know for sure which strategy was the most optimal until this is over, is that countries with a lax lockdown will pay a higher price in terms of mortality.

Let us take the 3 countries you have chosen to use as a sample set, look at the section entitled. Daily New Deaths, the trend is pretty obvious to me, especially when compared the Netherlands to Sweden, in the Netherlands the number of new deaths is stabilizing and in Sweden it is spiking. I could use even better examples, have you seen the number of new deaths in Norway compared to Sweden, but I have chosen to answer your question.

Both the Netherlands and Belgium are many times more densely populated than the populated regions of Sweden (we are not talking about Lappland here) and far closer to the major outbreaks in Europe geographically. So Sweden should have a lower mortality rate, all things being equal, at the same web site you can see the deaths per one million population, the Netherlands at 140 is quite close to Sweden at 91, even given its far higher population density.

And in addition to that, Belgium had a relatively late lockdown compared to other European countries, whether or not this relationship can be statistically proven, the Netherlands is stabilizing more quickly than Belgium.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...untry/belgium/

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...y/netherlands/

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/sweden/

Here is your answer, I am now done with this topic.

[Chongmal]

Before I start this, I have to ask, is a pangolin related to a herbal?

Today I will focus on YingYang. This is a difficult club for me because the caught so many ladies I knew from other clubs. One of my favorites here was Bella. Her face was not perfect but I found her body quite exciting. In the bed she was amazing. I remember the first time I was with her I though she was going to consume me. It was like her pussy had suction and was pulling me in. At the same time she wrapped me up and pulled me tight. Gloria, yes, the older lady, had a magic touch. I really wish I had met her 10 years earlier, but she knew how to please a man. My all time favorite at YingYang was Hungarian Kitty. I put her down as YingYang even thow that is not where I met her. YingYang is where I had my favorite session with her. She was more of a Tiger in the bed than a Kitty. Super reactive to DATY and a bit reckless in her willingness to please a man. I remember during a long session she told me she would let me perform DATY, but with limits. It seemed some other man had an oral fetish and licked her entire body. She said she loved DATY but just because my name is Kitty doesn't mean I want a cat bath. In the end, we were on the bed, she was rubbing the head of my penis on her clit gasping in pleasure. I told her we needed to take a condom before we broke the rules. Her response was one of the most amazing things I ever heard in a Sauna Club.

[Mursenary]

More than 2000 deaths per day in US, 800 per day in NYC with many dead in fridge trucks in streets, even tigers caught virus in NYC zoo. Yes, poor people can go to hospital, but they don't, because they know they can't pay. More black people than white die from virus, this is US.

Please keep a logical mind and remember that 2000 deaths per day in a country of 320 million is much better than most of the world, most of Europe. Look at the numbers, not the anecdotal and sensational news media. Like explained, less people die per capita in America from this virus than most European nations.

European countries that have a higher death rate per million people than the USA (50 deaths per 1 million people):

France (187 deaths per million), Spain (330), Italy (302), UK (118), Netherlands (140), Belgium (218), Ireland (53), Luxembourg (83), Switzerland (110), Sweden (79).

[Mr Ho]

I would like so much you to be right, but unfortunately not, even with free beds and highest level medical equipment in hospital, old people, diabetic, fat people, bad heart people don t resist to this virus and even best doctors can t save them, reason why so many deaths in US, because so many fat and diabetic people, thanks McDo, Cola, Pepsi. I'm not paranoiac, always thinking about x files, as far I know, started from international foods market and I discovered pangolins are protected, nevertheless Asian eat them.

Siri, there are some hopes, some people, reportedly even 100+ years old are coming out alive, but yes at the moment we do not have total cure or vaccines for this. We still heavily rely on immune system of individuals with some boost with treatments and medicine such as Avigan and there are few other medicines.

You live in Paris right? It is Michelin France gave Tokyo as most numbered Michelin stars city gourmet capital in the world, even more than paris rated by French agency, and Japanese do not eat pangolins, you really think in Japan we eat Pangolins?

[Turgid]

............ We are the last remaining species of humans on Earth and, most likely, the other human species became extinct due to bacterial or viral infections. So also our species, one day, will be wiped out by a freaking virus...........

I was taught that other human species were killed by homo sapiens the only remaining human species on earth. Most likely they will be killed by homo sapiens as well.

[Sirioja]

Because I do not believe in media and government LOL.

Also there is a military laboratory in wohan China, and first virus case was found in same town. I am not saying there is magical firm, but I think it leaked out of laboratory. For instance, they were doing animal testing with corona virus, and they outsourced dead animals body, but this outsourced company did not do the job right and decided to sell this dead tested animal body to market, then somebody ate it kind of thing.

But look, I don't care because virus is already front of us and we have to deal with it. Again it is hard to control the infection rates, but we can control the death rate with this virus if health care infra structure is not destroyed, and let wait till vaccines are invented, as for now, we have Avigan made by fuji film that is working and one more medicine. But these two were not made for covid 19, but it is working on mild symptom.

I would like so much you to be right, but unfortunately not, even with free beds and highest level medical equipment in hospital, old people, diabetic, fat people, bad heart people don t resist to this virus and even best doctors can t save them, reason why so many deaths in US, because so many fat and diabetic people, thanks McDo, Cola, Pepsi. I'm not paranoiac, always thinking about x files, as far I know, started from international foods market and I discovered pangolins are protected, nevertheless Asian eat them.

[ShooBree]

What I really mean is the delayed lockdown and a more aggresive herd immunity strategy than the most common one in Europe. Both Sweden and Japan were quite late in implementing their lockdowns. Despite confident assertions to the contrary about this approach making sense, have you seen the latest death toll in Sweden, it has spiked and is now over 700, so the health care system is going to be swamped as a result of this.

Japan also had quite a late lockdown, a close relative of mine lives in Tokyo. Herd immunity will take longer to take hold with an earlier more aggressive lockdown, but the health care system will not get swamped as much as it otherwise would have. So the result of a later lockdown in Japan in fact innundates the health care system and it becomes swamped, the later the lockdown the more pressure the health care system will be subject to. So this is the opposite of what you have stated is the Japanese government's strategy.

Italy was the first country in Europe to get hit very hard, so they were more understandably late to the game. However Sweden and Japan (after China and Korea) had plenty of warning. So if the toll is high in those countries, then I would attribute it to poor policy. Both these countries have since recanted and are more aggresively pursuing a lockdown with its economic costs, however in that case, there will most likely be some needless deaths.

What would make sense, is either to lockdown early or not at all relatively speaking. The countries that implemented late lockdowns when presented with the undeniable results of having very lax lockdowns, have actually undertaken the least sensible option.

There are no lockdown in Sweden.

The death toll in Sweden is ridiculously low, much better than Belgium, the Netherlands and Switzerland but still I don't hear you criticize them. Very interesting.

[The Cane]

OK, so Japan is hiding the numbers too then. China style.

I agree that Japan has not been telling the truth, and is attempting to mislead. And they certainly have not been testing how they should. It all came out of Japan's desire to not lose the Olympics. Well, that's done for 2020, so Japan may as well get serious and start dealing with this thing the right way now, and stop trying to lead the rest of the world to believe that there is virtually no problem with COVID-19 in Japan. Otherwise, they could potentially screw things up for 2021 as well. We're not buying it, and Japan is headed towards a spike in deaths if they keep messing around with this thing in an attempt to dupe the rest of the world. We're not buying it, and we're not getting duped either! I believe there are far more infections in Japan than they claim there to be, and if they were testing like they should, then we would have the proof. When deaths start to rise, therein will be the proof! Now, I know Mr. Ho will respond to this and say it isn't true, but there is nothing he can say to change my mind. Japan is low-balling on its infection numbers to try to protect its international image and its economy. It doesn't want the world to know the true infection level. And I believe that 100%! Japan is a northern hemisphere country with lots of people traveling in and out internationally around the globe. So, why should things be different there versus in other similarly situated countries? They aren't, and time is going to show us so.

[Mr Ho]

Until Amour and Charme Russe closed after police raid, Paris was higher level for beauties than Germany. I remember on some Sundays, I drove to GT and there, I thought: why to pay for these girls? I sent message to one of my escorts, drove back to Paris to enjoy a real beauty. I remember on July 2014, I had 14 meetings with Amour Russe girls, only from Monday to Thursday, because on Saturdays, I was at Oase or World. Before virus, still attractive beauties with Rdv4U or stroll. Even under virus, still few beauties, but I have to get better mood, I don't like deaths figures, to go to enjoy.

What is this siri? It is escort agencies?

[Mr Ho]

I have a friend who used to live in Japan. He told me he liked having sex with Japanese girls because neither their pussies nor butt holes ever stank during sex hahaha! Always very clean.

Yeah Japanese and Japan are very clean. As for girls, I am not that much into Asian girls beside Eurasian girls, you know half white half Asian. But one thing I know and I do not like about Japanese girls are their tendency to cut the hair of pussy, but not shaved. I like shaved pussies, but man, I prefer clean shaved pussy, you can see the pussies better.

I think, in over 10 years now in German FKK, I never saw a girl with pussy hair actually, I think all of them I sessioned with had shaved pussies.

[Mr Ho]

It isn't just African people who do this. People from all over the world, especially those with roots in the so-called "third world" or "developing world", do it too. That would include lots and lots of Asians and Latin Americans.

That is true. And middle Eastern too. But not Japan, those who made money after world war 2 stayed in Japan and invested back into Japan, that is why we have so many big top companies in almost all industries in Japan.

[Mr Ho]

Why? Are you one of those thinking it was build by a medical firm? I think World know where this virus come from, from international market it spread everywhere. Even some Chinese politics claiming US sent them, sending to pangolins? Even seem 7 tigers infected in NYC zoo.

Because I do not believe in media and government LOL.

Also there is a military laboratory in wohan China, and first virus case was found in same town. I am not saying there is magical firm, but I think it leaked out of laboratory. For instance, they were doing animal testing with corona virus, and they outsourced dead animals body, but this outsourced company did not do the job right and decided to sell this dead tested animal body to market, then somebody ate it kind of thing.

But look, I don't care because virus is already front of us and we have to deal with it. Again it is hard to control the infection rates, but we can control the death rate with this virus if health care infra structure is not destroyed, and let wait till vaccines are invented, as for now, we have Avigan made by fuji film that is working and one more medicine. But these two were not made for covid 19, but it is working on mild symptom.

[Mr Ho]

Yes, the Covid-19 is a very complex virus, with a fat-based coating that protects the virus from the environment, so it definitely comes straight from Mother Nature's cooking pot. We are the last remaining species of humans on Earth and, most likely, the other human species became extinct due to bacterial or viral infections. So also our species, one day, will be wiped out by a freaking virus or by our stupidity and greed! I'm sometimes on the frontline to combat this virus, but I rarely have contact with patients. I keep myself safe, Mr Ho, because there are still many FKK visits we still need to honour!

Rock.

Yes, it is hard to control infection from this virus beside not seeing anybody LOL, but it is also important to keep balance as this crisis has other deaths like financial death which also lead to suicide etc, so big nations companies like Toyota, Sony, Panasonic etc. Who are employing many people around world are also responsible to keep on paying salary during this crisis, so I think balanced shut down is also very important. Some government is giving out cash, but it is not consistent and it is not enough, so companies has to stay alive to support the employees house hold around world, which actually is the hardest tasks for all big nations.

It is good that I just went to FKK in end of Jan. And early Feb. LOL. But we shall be back soon or later, I like to believe so, if not we had a lot of fun in life LOL!

[Mr Ho]

You should learn a bit about Lebanon with many doctors who learned in France, when some low level hospitals in poor places in US, many people who can't go to hospital because they can't pay, more than 10 millions illegal people. From France, I really don't need to go to Japan nor US nor Switzerland nor Germany to be cured or operated. Seem more badly sick or deaths for guys than for women, they are lucky, maybe women create this virus to get rid of guys.

I like Lebanon and their food, women and some are smart people like all country in the world, but it is extremely corrupt country and Lebanon just went default you know that?

[Pessimist]

More than 2000 deaths per day in US, 800 per day in NYC with many dead in fridge trucks in streets, even tigers caught virus in NYC zoo. Yes, poor people can go to hospital, but they don't, because they know they can't pay. More black people than white die from virus, this is US.

Our president and administration screwed up and didn't prepare any proper testing infrastructure till it was too late. Testing got ramped up in mid March but by then we had 20,000 cases in the country. Too many people got infected in all states and cities and it was very difficult to manage this well.

That said, US has 5 times the population of France. To compare the death numbers in absolute is across countries is not sensible. 2000 deaths in US is equal to 400 in France. If you have more than 400 people dying per day, it means you are doing worse than US.

In my opinion, France and US are both of doing well. Korea has managed the best, also Taiwan, Germany. And China, IF you believe their numbers.