German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Chongmal]

Well, I just hate the fact that you have to suck up to women all the time, basically sweet talking to her 24/7 almost and also the fact that men are supposed to support her for everything and she does the house works? I mean I am not disable, I can do housework myself and the days when there are no washing machines or cooking devices are over, we even have robot cleaning the house now automatically and they work 24/7 without complaint, you just give it electricity.

Feminist talk about women equality, OK for jobs, I in part agree with them for certain corporate jobs, but man, there is no male equality in society in general, like men should do this, men should pay, men should work and make all the money etc.

I would go normal route if it benefit me more, but when I realized monger road is better for my sex life based on experience, I turned to monger route, I mean every men dream of fucking famous porn stars or even fucking them before they go into porn and all I have done in my sex life in those area of porn stars would not be possible without mongering world being so updated and efficient as it is now or how else would I meet porn stars? Without mongering platform..

Interesting thoughts. For me, I can simplify I. I'm not a beautiful man, I'm not famous and I'm not so rich that I ca keep young beauties coming around just for my parties. So, €50 per 30 minutes is an economical way for me to have sex. It's a choice for me, yes, but the other choice is probably lots of porn and masterbation. I'm sure I could find a 50 yo lady to be my partner, but she would have to understand that I'm physically attracted to women who the only way I could have sex with them would be by force or via prostitution.

[CaneUppHosAss]

I think it's a simple inarguable point that the general prostitute population is not representative of the female population all over the world, if not just for the mere simple fact that most prostitutes do not have the professional training or education of average western women. The Romanians might be the most "normal" of all prostitute populations in comparison to the average woman in their culture. Latin American and Southeast Asian prostitutes are certainly not representative of their cultures. Heck, German prostitutes are not good representatives of German women.

It seems to me, to make and believe this point, one must have very limited intimate experience with modern, real world women. It's consistent with the traits shared by the triad here.

I think you are right. By triad, I am assuming that you are referring to a few recurring posters here. I'm new here but noticing that only a handful of posters write the majority of comments here, especially in the Lounge thread. I certainly agree with you that some of those comments display a total lack of common sense and are devoid of any logic. This is not totally surprising when it comes to internet discussion forums. But when you have thousands of commenters writing, as they do at BBC or NYT or other respectable boards, you can find a more balanced set of views. In here, with just half a dozen or less participating regularly, it appears that the writers are split into one or two factions with endless and repeated debates re: the same points over and over again. Actually, I would not call them debates because I do not see any meaningful exchange of dialog with decorum or intelligence. BTW Sir, your posts are an exception to this, from what little I observed in my short life here.

Anyway, two cents from a newbie. Please forgive any perceived rudeness, it is not intended.

[Mr Ho]

今日は, Ho-san. Right. Imagine you are trying to make the "regular dating scene" work out for you. And you meet a beautiful model, or any other beautiful woman for that matter. And you woo her constantly. You don't want to insult her by offering her money. But she seems to keep stringing you along. After six months of failed efforts, you discover she has been accepting money from other guys. Then it hits you. Why would she fuck you when she can get 500-1000 euros for a visit from any other gentleman? And how is she supposed to maintain her expensive independent lifestyle if she is not charging on principle for her most valuable asset?

It is this kind of insight which makes guys tire of the normal dating scene.

Well, I just hate the fact that you have to suck up to women all the time, basically sweet talking to her 24/7 almost and also the fact that men are supposed to support her for everything and she does the house works? I mean I am not disable, I can do housework myself and the days when there are no washing machines or cooking devices are over, we even have robot cleaning the house now automatically and they work 24/7 without complaint, you just give it electricity.

Feminist talk about women equality, OK for jobs, I in part agree with them for certain corporate jobs, but man, there is no male equality in society in general, like men should do this, men should pay, men should work and make all the money etc.

I would go normal route if it benefit me more, but when I realized monger road is better for my sex life based on experience, I turned to monger route, I mean every men dream of fucking famous porn stars or even fucking them before they go into porn and all I have done in my sex life in those area of porn stars would not be possible without mongering world being so updated and efficient as it is now or how else would I meet porn stars? Without mongering platform.

As for human connections etc. , I prefer to do it with friends and pets. I agree with what Karl laggerfeld once said in interview. "I do not like to have sex with people I love". I love just fucking young beautiful girls who I love only for her appearance, so I can just fuck her like animal and it is all OK and I can change and she stay young and beautiful forever and supply is unlimited to me as long as prostitution is legal.

For me, it all changed, when prostitution industry begin to provide top level beauty young girls. I would say in this past 10 years or so, prostitution industry is at its best in history of this planet. This was a game changer for me. Line up got up and down, but this past 10 years or so, the industry really accelerated to whole new level. Sex revolution happen without us realizing it too much, but I think this past 10 years or so was sex revolution happened with my view. Quality got really better.

[Polyamorist]

Exactly, this is one of the reasons why I lost interest in normal dating scene. Prostitution industry began to provide normal beautiful girls who live double life of all kind.

今日は, Ho-san. Right. Imagine you are trying to make the "regular dating scene" work out for you. And you meet a beautiful model, or any other beautiful woman for that matter. And you woo her constantly. You don't want to insult her by offering her money. But she seems to keep stringing you along. After six months of failed efforts, you discover she has been accepting money from other guys. Then it hits you. Why would she fuck you when she can get 500-1000 euros for a visit from any other gentleman? And how is she supposed to maintain her expensive independent lifestyle if she is not charging on principle for her most valuable asset?

It is this kind of insight which makes guys tire of the normal dating scene.

[Tomster99]

What is your take?

[Mr Ho]

السلام عليكم, Ho-san. So you're content to be the one-eyed man in the country of the blind? Or the one-eyed dick in the country of the boobs? Is this what you call utopia, a system where most people are brainwashed and the rest must hide in the shadows because of their most natural instincts?

Well, Utopia as it can get. We are kind of hiding in shadow, that is one of the reason why we are here on this forum discussing our hidden hobby that is not suited to discuss in our private lives.

The definition of Utopia is each their own, but many men are killing their male instinct due to their implanted thinking, I think.

At least for pro mongers, we managed to use our brain and created our hidden utopia that we cannot tell most people who are in our private life. It is funny to realize most of us monger die one day hiding that we fucked throughout our life time LOL.

[Polyamorist]

However, this almost brainwash conducted by society to masses are good thing to sustain society. Without it, society won't be able to sustain its social securities, balance etc. Whoever thought about this system is genius and they did allow escape path, where we mongers can play and be free too, so it is all fair enough system if one can think for themselves and have will to explore it.

السلام عليكم, Ho-san. So you're content to be the one-eyed man in the country of the blind? Or the one-eyed dick in the country of the boobs? Is this what you call utopia, a system where most people are brainwashed and the rest must hide in the shadows because of their most natural instincts?

[Mr Ho]

In my experience, WGs are I regularly fuck WGs who have "normal" lives as students, air hostesses, hairdressers, receptionists, fitness instructors, sommeliers, security guards etc. Furthermore many of them seem to me more normal, human, and less mercenary than "respectable" women I used to know in corporate jobs in major American cities.

That reminds of a hot girl in Europe who lives a sexy double life. In one life she works in a respectable bank and as a financial consultant. In the other life she is tuting it up in grand style, doing pole dances in front of leering Americans in a high-class FKK. Whenever I talk to her, I find it easy to imagine her in either role. After all that's capitalism: getting fucked (the principle famously discovered by the economist Scarface).

Exactly, this is one of the reasons why I lost interest in normal dating scene. Prostitution industry began to provide normal beautiful girls who live double life of all kind. I even managed to fuck normal models that are now famous enough to be in TV when she was much younger and not famous enough with limited money, now I see her in tv and make me proud of my decision to go out there to monger. Also some porn stars before they went on to porn and became famous in porn industry etc. I especially like fucking university students though, it is like fucking egg of something in this world before too matured, I think university students are the best season of girls life to fuck them.

[Mr Ho]

And I might add that Artemis owner allowed the WGs to be a part of the club's culture-making is itself that the owner makes the club culture, because he could let this not happen legally if he wanted.

Well, it is in part defense mechanism of the owner after new law not to involve too deep with girls management because whole thing with Artemis was example arrest to all FKK in Germany I think. All charges against owner was later dropped after multiple court cases, but the way how they raid the club with few hundred cops, some totally geared up like military operation was not necessarily at all, it was the show for media, which worked, and all those lies media wrote about Artemis was also scary how media in G7 countries are still like that, you know openly write total lies about thing they want to attack, it was beyond exaggeration how they described Artemis.

So naturally, if you are club owner, you will be be careful after new law was installed, so thing like what I wrote above won't happen to you, so it really did give some power or freedom to girls in club to do what they want. It still is fair enough and reasonable in FKK though, most girls are fair enough. Arguably LOL.

[Takedown]

Pointing out that there are predatory instincts left in us from before we invented these things is just that. Pointing out a problem. It is not the same as saying it is the way to go forward. I have a feeling certain people here on the forum forum complaining about 'support groups' and stuff just fails to understand the discussion.

Perhaps your generation is getting too old to solve these issues, and we have to wait for the next. A younger brother generation. LOL!

A problem that evolution has yet to root out is arrogance, probably because it can be useful. I do not despise arrogant men, so long as they have some reason to be; however, what seems to be more common is unjustified intellectual arrogance, self perceived intelligence. What's funny is that these perpetrators never seem to have the metrics that would serve as proof of intelligence. Things like using the perceived intelligence to achieve financial success or perhaps professional success could serve as proof of intelligence. Sadly that is not what often happens. Perhaps emotional intelligence could lead one to achieve power, societal positioning, or develop social skills, alas also no. What is astonishing is that these arrogant men who have achieved so little in life maintain their empty confidence. It's a testament to the human mind's ability to cope with suffering and emptiness.

[Takedown]

I think it's a simple inarguable point that the general prostitute population is not representative of the female population all over the world, if not just for the mere simple fact that most prostitutes do not have the professional training or education of average western women. The Romanians might be the most "normal" of all prostitute populations in comparison to the average woman in their culture. Latin American and Southeast Asian prostitutes are certainly not representative of their cultures. Heck, German prostitutes are not good representatives of German women.

It seems to me, to make and believe this point, one must have very limited intimate experience with modern, real world women. It's consistent with the traits shared by the triad here.

In my experience, WGs are a "good random sample" of the female population in terms of the traits they exhibit. But it depends where you monger. In certain sex-hostile societies like the US and Iran perhaps your suggestion that WGs are freaks is true. They have to be super-hardened to survive. But the US is not a "good random sample" of the global population. In other parts of the world, women move freely between prostitution and other professions. I regularly fuck WGs who have "normal" lives as students, air hostesses, hairdressers, receptionists, fitness instructors, sommeliers, security guards etc. Furthermore many of them seem to me more normal, human, and less mercenary than "respectable" women I used to know in corporate jobs in major American cities.

That reminds of a hot girl in Europe who lives a sexy double life. In one life she works in a respectable bank and as a financial consultant. In the other life she is tuting it up in grand style, doing pole dances in front of leering Americans in a high-class FKK. Whenever I talk to her, I find it easy to imagine her in either role. After all that's capitalism: getting fucked (the principle famously discovered by the economist Scarface).

[Pistons]

And predatory men are the opposite of safety.

This kind of Ayn Rand, "survival of the fittest," quasi-scientific, libertarian, "nasty, brutish and short," so called evolutionary (but not really) thinking is not science. It's projection. It's the projection of fear and anger, and it offers false cynicism disguised as (fake) fact-based sophistication.

To be sure there are some women who seem to actively seek out abusers. They seem to relish the role of being prey. But they are the opposite of the norm. They are, in fact, psychologically damaged and exhibit radically atypical behavior.

I know I mentioned your comment was good. But don't get too optimistic now. Cause the 3rd and 4th paragraph was rather bad. 5th one was good again. So lets start there. You basically admit that there is a psychologically damaged part to it. While my suggestion, backed by science is that this is a trait that has almost completely taken over the subconscious for the majority of women.

It is not a quasi science. It is shown in pregnancy ratios. And you cannot fake a pregnancy! I will tell you what you can fake. You can fake a petition! So a petition is true quasi science. Especially to politically ladenned as this issue!

Yes, predatory men is the opposite of safety. But men became predatory due to the shortcomming of pregnancies. The most predatory of all great apes are the gorillas. And you see that in hiw big they are. And how brutal the smaller beta males [CodeWord123] the females. It takes 12 years between each pregnancy a gorilla female can have. And when sex means pregnancy. And in the animal world, sex is an instinct fir making babies.

[ExpatLover]

In my experience, WGs are a "good random sample" of the female population in terms of the traits they exhibit. But it depends where you monger. In certain sex-hostile societies like the US and Iran perhaps your suggestion that WGs are freaks is true. They have to be super-hardened to survive. But the US is not a "good random sample" of the global population. In other parts of the world, women move freely between prostitution and other professions. I regularly fuck WGs who have "normal" lives as students, air hostesses, hairdressers, receptionists, fitness instructors, sommeliers, security guards etc. Furthermore many of them seem to me more normal, human, and less mercenary than "respectable" women I used to know in corporate jobs in major American cities.

That reminds of a hot girl in Europe who lives a sexy double life. In one life she works in a respectable bank and as a financial consultant. In the other life she is tuting it up in grand style, doing pole dances in front of leering Americans in a high-class FKK. Whenever I talk to her, I find it easy to imagine her in either role. After all that's capitalism: getting fucked (the principle famously discovered by the economist Scarface).

Unfortunately I can't share the same experience, 95% of the escort I met (300+) don't have a normal life or a normal job, they tell that story but in fact after meeting them several times you just get the reality they are not students, air hostesses. But just prostitutes switching from FKK to escort in one of the big cities in Europe, when they start to be a bit older after 30 most of them have the face of a prostitute and so easy at least for me to recognize them in a shop.

[Polyamorist]

But women who turn to prostitution are not a good random sample of the population. They frequently have control issues and daddy issues and histories of (physical, mental, drug) abuse and so on. They are accordingly individuals who have been driven to the thin tails of the behavioral bell cure.

In my experience, WGs are a "good random sample" of the female population in terms of the traits they exhibit. But it depends where you monger. In certain sex-hostile societies like the US and Iran perhaps your suggestion that WGs are freaks is true. They have to be super-hardened to survive. But the US is not a "good random sample" of the global population. In other parts of the world, women move freely between prostitution and other professions. I regularly fuck WGs who have "normal" lives as students, air hostesses, hairdressers, receptionists, fitness instructors, sommeliers, security guards etc. Furthermore many of them seem to me more normal, human, and less mercenary than "respectable" women I used to know in corporate jobs in major American cities.

That reminds of a hot girl in Europe who lives a sexy double life. In one life she works in a respectable bank and as a financial consultant. In the other life she is tuting it up in grand style, doing pole dances in front of leering Americans in a high-class FKK. Whenever I talk to her, I find it easy to imagine her in either role. After all that's capitalism: getting fucked (the principle famously discovered by the economist Scarface).

[Bfsie]

In some clubs girls take big part in making club culture too. Like at Artemis, owner had good control over girls in positive sense of word, but after massive raid and arrest, girls tend to be more free and took control of the club culture at Artemis.

And I might add that Artemis owner allowed the WGs to be a part of the club's culture-making is itself that the owner makes the club culture, because he could let this not happen legally if he wanted.