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[NoTaWorry]

That's why for me I rather rent (before covid) and spend my money on FKK experiences. This last year has been my single best year for accumulating wealth, hopefully in a year or 2 I can retire in Germany or somewhere in Eastern Europe!

Sounds like a nice plan. NYC here as well, born and raised and made a TON of paper gains on mostly TSLA as well. I'm curious as to your dream / retire plans? Maybe PM me if it's better for you.

[Turgid]

I disagree about the politicians. They zoned out the efficiencies of a fixed location where multiple ladies saw multiple guys. One of the practical costs to escorting is the fact an outcall escort has a lot of travel time, and incall escorts have to be damn careful to not get too much foot traffic. They will rightfully get on the ass of a customer, too. Like, dude, don't stand in front of the building door for 10 minutes waiting for me to answer and buzz you in. Neighbors notice that shit. Learn how to be cool and hang back. But in fairness to escorts, they have to find a way to charge for that inefficient time.

But there are real economic issues at play in the USA I think there are fewer young, female immigrants today. That really hot Ukrainian was $300-$350 ten to fifteen years ago. She would be $550-$600 today. But she might not now be in NYC at all.

There was a full-service massage parlor right by the Hilton in San Francisco over 20 years ago, that is another example of the government forcing the visible sex industry out of existence. People used to just call it the Hilton Massage Place. It had a ton of young Asian ladies who sat in the lobby in hot undies, who worked for very reasonable prices compared to today's escort prices. I am just not sure if there are as many Asian immigrants as there once was, either in NYC or SF. I don't think the USA Lets as many in, and I don't think the USA Has as much appeal to them.

In addition to fewer immigrants, there may not be as many 18-29 year old native-born hotties in the USA As there was decades ago. The aging and fattening of America has an effect. And in fairness, there may be more opportunities outside of the commercial sex industry for young women than there once was. And the increased economic inequality may be allowing the most privileged to take up more of the supply in this environment where the meetings are now primarily initiated online.

And international travel is in fact a door that has opened as a result of the closing of doors in the USA Instead of paying $550-$600 for what was $250-$350 a couple of decades ago, many northeast guys take the well-travelled road to Montreal where on a currency-adjusted basis, top-notch experiences are available for $200-$300, or certainly take flights to Europe. Hopefully that door opens again, and stays open. But your older co-workers can tell you that flying to Europe used to be damn expensive back in the days when USA Commercial sex was cheap. You can't take anything for granted, because change is certain and the only thing that is constant is change.

With the vicissitudes of salaries for ordinary workers today the prices for p4p in the US has not budged downwards. During this pandemic period the best that has happened is that the charges by escorts remain the same. If a pandemic cannot bring down the costs of our favorite hobby nothing will.

[Mr Ho]

Didn't know so many New Yorkers in here LOL! Yea I'm too young for the good old days. From the stories I hear from my older co-workers, I missed out on a lot. But all prices are inflated these day anyways. Even if the scene is more alive, I'd still rather hop on a plane to Germany than paying these US prices.

Even "Wall Street Pay" has not kept up with inflation. The average bank employee back even in the 90's got steak and pussy for their lunch break. These days we all sit at our desks like good little workers and enjoy the free company lunch.

The scene in NYC would've naturally died out even without Giuliani or Bloomberg. The Fed keeps on printing, the girls increase prices, and customers gradually priced out.

FKK is better!

[AznHotBoy]

But there are real economic issues at play in the USA I think there are fewer young, female immigrants today. That really hot Ukrainian was $300-$350 ten to fifteen years ago. She would be $550-$600 today. But she might not now be in NYC at all.

Yea it's hard to pay $600 for just 1 girl, when you can find deals to fly to Germany from NYC for $650 round trip. If I book any 2 FKK girls for 1 hour each, I already break even with hotel and flight included LOL!

[Mongerer88]

Didn't know so many New Yorkers in here LOL! Yea I'm too young for the good old days. From the stories I hear from my older co-workers, I missed out on a lot. But all prices are inflated these day anyways. Even if the scene is more alive, I'd still rather hop on a plane to Germany than paying these US prices.

Even "Wall Street Pay" has not kept up with inflation. The average bank employee back even in the 90's got steak and pussy for their lunch break. These days we all sit at our desks like good little workers and enjoy the free company lunch.

The scene in NYC would've naturally died out even without Giuliani or Bloomberg. The Fed keeps on printing, the girls increase prices, and customers gradually priced out.

I disagree about the politicians. They zoned out the efficiencies of a fixed location where multiple ladies saw multiple guys. One of the practical costs to escorting is the fact an outcall escort has a lot of travel time, and incall escorts have to be damn careful to not get too much foot traffic. They will rightfully get on the ass of a customer, too. Like, dude, don't stand in front of the building door for 10 minutes waiting for me to answer and buzz you in. Neighbors notice that shit. Learn how to be cool and hang back. But in fairness to escorts, they have to find a way to charge for that inefficient time.

But there are real economic issues at play in the USA I think there are fewer young, female immigrants today. That really hot Ukrainian was $300-$350 ten to fifteen years ago. She would be $550-$600 today. But she might not now be in NYC at all.

There was a full-service massage parlor right by the Hilton in San Francisco over 20 years ago, that is another example of the government forcing the visible sex industry out of existence. People used to just call it the Hilton Massage Place. It had a ton of young Asian ladies who sat in the lobby in hot undies, who worked for very reasonable prices compared to today's escort prices. I am just not sure if there are as many Asian immigrants as there once was, either in NYC or SF. I don't think the USA Lets as many in, and I don't think the USA Has as much appeal to them.

In addition to fewer immigrants, there may not be as many 18-29 year old native-born hotties in the USA As there was decades ago. The aging and fattening of America has an effect. And in fairness, there may be more opportunities outside of the commercial sex industry for young women than there once was. And the increased economic inequality may be allowing the most privileged to take up more of the supply in this environment where the meetings are now primarily initiated online.

And international travel is in fact a door that has opened as a result of the closing of doors in the USA Instead of paying $550-$600 for what was $250-$350 a couple of decades ago, many northeast guys take the well-travelled road to Montreal where on a currency-adjusted basis, top-notch experiences are available for $200-$300, or certainly take flights to Europe. Hopefully that door opens again, and stays open. But your older co-workers can tell you that flying to Europe used to be damn expensive back in the days when USA Commercial sex was cheap. You can't take anything for granted, because change is certain and the only thing that is constant is change.

[AznHotBoy]

The difference between the NYC scene then and now is money. Back in the day a twenty-something year old (which I was) could have a lot of fun. Now in order to get the same enjoyment you must have deep pockets. I feel sorry for the average guys in their 20's and 30's who share our tastes, they must be relegated to pornhub. The sugar baby scene is not for me, too expensive and time consuming. I partake in the escort arena. The girls are not as nice as FKK babes but doable.

Exactly! My parents had a combine dual income in the 80's to about 40% what I make alone today, and they were able to buy 3 houses and an apartment in good areas. Even if I watched only Pornhub and not spend a single dollar on FKK pussy, I could not even afford the rental apartment my parents bought in NYC in 1997.

That's why for me I rather rent (before covid) and spend my money on FKK experiences. This last year has been my single best year for accumulating wealth, hopefully in a year or 2 I can retire in Germany or somewhere in Eastern Europe!

[Turgid]

The old days were fun, but we can't control the changes that Giuliani and Bloomberg brought, and thanks to the Internet, the old proverb that when one door closes, another one opens, holds true.

I was at the old Kinematics BDSM video / toy superstore once, and very pretty girl came up to me when I was selecting videos (this was before everything on video was available on the Internet) and she introduced herself as a spanking video performer who was there for a signing and asked if I could hang out through lunch because she was taking live spankings from anyone there for a "small" fee. Cute girl, and lots of fun.

That place is closed now. I didn't know, and I was walking through the construction site with a horrified look on my face and one of the construction guys had to come and tell me the all the previous occupants were gone and it was being rezoned. It survived the "purification" of the Times Square area longer than most. I think it was on 37th Street.

Another great memory was a little brothel on Water Street. It had curtains to keep the customers from seeing each other in the lobby and hallway to the two or three bedrooms. It was right off of Wall Street. I had an appointment with a highly-reviewed Ukrainian lady, but she was running late, and in-session. I told them I would wait. I ended up watching TV in the lobby with a chunky Puerto Rican lady who was trying to get me to do the session with her. Thank God I waited because the Ukrainian lady was a dream come true. She had just started college and was beautiful and a great fuck.

But now that the scene has shifted online, a new world exists. You can exchange twitter DMs and emails / texts with a lot of potential ladies. I twitter DM'ed a lady who was a follower of another lady I had done many sessions with. I loved this lady's pics on twitter, and even though she only appeared to do video stuff, I was able to get a live session with her, and it was fantastic. The reference was easy since she was friends with someone I had previously seen. And in the correspondence phase, I had lots of fun conversations with her, and she sent me some great pictures.

And without question, the Sugar Baby scene brings a guy into contact with a multitude of women he would never have otherwise met. The "scene" in NYC has changed drastically over the decades, but it still exists. I know the FKK thread is obviously filled with guys who prefer a club atmosphere, and I am not trying to argue that anything else is more fun, but as I have said many times, one advantage to the escort and Sugar scene is that Giuliani, Bloomberg, and the Coronavirus can't shut it down as easily. Not sure which one is worse, by the way, Giuliani, Bloomberg, or the Corona Virus. None of the three are friends to the commercial sex industry.

The difference between the NYC scene then and now is money. Back in the day a twenty-something year old (which I was) could have a lot of fun. Now in order to get the same enjoyment you must have deep pockets. I feel sorry for the average guys in their 20's and 30's who share our tastes, they must be relegated to pornhub. The sugar baby scene is not for me, too expensive and time consuming. I partake in the escort arena. The girls are not as nice as FKK babes but doable.

[AznHotBoy]

The old days were fun, but we can't control the changes that Giuliani and Bloomberg brought, and thanks to the Internet, the old proverb that when one door closes, another one opens, holds true.

Didn't know so many New Yorkers in here LOL! Yea I'm too young for the good old days. From the stories I hear from my older co-workers, I missed out on a lot. But all prices are inflated these day anyways. Even if the scene is more alive, I'd still rather hop on a plane to Germany than paying these US prices.

Even "Wall Street Pay" has not kept up with inflation. The average bank employee back even in the 90's got steak and pussy for their lunch break. These days we all sit at our desks like good little workers and enjoy the free company lunch.

The scene in NYC would've naturally died out even without Giuliani or Bloomberg. The Fed keeps on printing, the girls increase prices, and customers gradually priced out.

[Mr Ho]

Woulda shoulda coulda. I say the same thing about my first marriage. If only.

The sad thing is that the money I spent in Strip Clubs before I discovered the ease in booking an escort, and got my references, well.... As my friend says: "I paid a lot of college expenses and car loans for these girls." Still there were a few cities in North America where the strip club rules were pretty loose. Toronto was good, Vancouver not so much so. I guess if I was back in grad school, I could do my MBA paper on the strip club, sex business formula. Are strip clubs more expensive with less frills when escorts are more readily available. By the way, I don't know if there are any cities left in the US where you can see sex live on stage.

From NY sex clubs, I luckily moved on to NY small "houses". There were a few "permanent" apartments on the West Side, where there would be two or three girls working so you had a pretty good chance of always finding someone even last minute. Not AMPS, but small time businesses You couldn't just show up; you had to have an appointment but at least if you were a regular, you could text and be told which girl might be on. THere was a pretty good website/online forum in NYC at the time where various 'people' would post who was on the schedule for the week at which location.

I do not regret every euro I spent in German FKK, it was priceless experience and I appreciate every minutes of the time I spent in FKK!

[Mr Ho]

The old days were fun, but we can't control the changes that Giuliani and Bloomberg brought, and thanks to the Internet, the old proverb that when one door closes, another one opens, holds true.

I was at the old Kinematics BDSM video / toy superstore once, and very pretty girl came up to me when I was selecting videos (this was before everything on video was available on the Internet) and she introduced herself as a spanking video performer who was there for a signing and asked if I could hang out through lunch because she was taking live spankings from anyone there for a "small" fee. Cute girl, and lots of fun.

That place is closed now. I didn't know, and I was walking through the construction site with a horrified look on my face and one of the construction guys had to come and tell me the all the previous occupants were gone and it was being rezoned. It survived the "purification" of the Times Square area longer than most. I think it was on 37th Street.

All one got to do is fly over to legal fun territories!

[Mongerer88]

Woulda shoulda coulda. I say the same thing about my first marriage. If only.

The very funny thing is that the money I spent in Strip Clubs before I discovered the ease in booking an escort, and got my references, well. As my friend says, I paid a lot of college expenses and car loans for these girls. Still there are a few cities in North America where the strip club rules were pretty loose. Toronto was good, Vancouver not so much so. I guess if I was back in college, I could do my MFA paper on the strip club, sex club formula. Are strip clubs more expensive with less frills when escorts are more readily available. By the way, I don't know if there are any cities left in the US where you can see sex live on stage.

From NY sex clubs, I luckily moved on to NY small "houses". There were a few "permanent" apartments on the West Side, where there would be two or three girls working so you have a pretty good chance of always finding someone even last minute. Not AMPS, but a small time business. You could not just show up, you had to have an appointment but at least if you were a regular, you could text and be told which girl might be on. THere was a pretty good website in NYC at the time where they would post who was on the schedule for the week.

The old days were fun, but we can't control the changes that Giuliani and Bloomberg brought, and thanks to the Internet, the old proverb that when one door closes, another one opens, holds true.

I was at the old Kinematics BDSM video / toy superstore once, and very pretty girl came up to me when I was selecting videos (this was before everything on video was available on the Internet) and she introduced herself as a spanking video performer who was there for a signing and asked if I could hang out through lunch because she was taking live spankings from anyone there for a "small" fee. Cute girl, and lots of fun.

That place is closed now. I didn't know, and I was walking through the construction site with a horrified look on my face and one of the construction guys had to come and tell me the all the previous occupants were gone and it was being rezoned. It survived the "purification" of the Times Square area longer than most. I think it was on 37th Street.

Another great memory was a little brothel on Water Street. It had curtains to keep the customers from seeing each other in the lobby and hallway to the two or three bedrooms. It was right off of Wall Street. I had an appointment with a highly-reviewed Ukrainian lady, but she was running late, and in-session. I told them I would wait. I ended up watching TV in the lobby with a chunky Puerto Rican lady who was trying to get me to do the session with her. Thank God I waited because the Ukrainian lady was a dream come true. She had just started college and was beautiful and a great fuck.

But now that the scene has shifted online, a new world exists. You can exchange twitter DMs and emails / texts with a lot of potential ladies. I twitter DM'ed a lady who was a follower of another lady I had done many sessions with. I loved this lady's pics on twitter, and even though she only appeared to do video stuff, I was able to get a live session with her, and it was fantastic. The reference was easy since she was friends with someone I had previously seen. And in the correspondence phase, I had lots of fun conversations with her, and she sent me some great pictures.

And without question, the Sugar Baby scene brings a guy into contact with a multitude of women he would never have otherwise met. The "scene" in NYC has changed drastically over the decades, but it still exists. I know the FKK thread is obviously filled with guys who prefer a club atmosphere, and I am not trying to argue that anything else is more fun, but as I have said many times, one advantage to the escort and Sugar scene is that Giuliani, Bloomberg, and the Coronavirus can't shut it down as easily. Not sure which one is worse, by the way, Giuliani, Bloomberg, or the Corona Virus. None of the three are friends to the commercial sex industry.

[Tintin1]

What about the theatres around Times Square that offered live sex shows. If only I had the financial resources then as I do now!

Woulda shoulda coulda. I say the same thing about my first marriage. If only.

The sad thing is that the money I spent in Strip Clubs before I discovered the ease in booking an escort, and got my references, well.... As my friend says: "I paid a lot of college expenses and car loans for these girls." Still there were a few cities in North America where the strip club rules were pretty loose. Toronto was good, Vancouver not so much so. I guess if I was back in grad school, I could do my MBA paper on the strip club, sex business formula. Are strip clubs more expensive with less frills when escorts are more readily available. By the way, I don't know if there are any cities left in the US where you can see sex live on stage.

From NY sex clubs, I luckily moved on to NY small "houses". There were a few "permanent" apartments on the West Side, where there would be two or three girls working so you had a pretty good chance of always finding someone even last minute. Not AMPS, but small time businesses You couldn't just show up; you had to have an appointment but at least if you were a regular, you could text and be told which girl might be on. THere was a pretty good website/online forum in NYC at the time where various 'people' would post who was on the schedule for the week at which location.

[Turgid]

Yeah. I been to that one. And a few others. Oh yeah the signs were huge.

As to your business model. We should go into business together! Just move it somewhere it's legal! We can take turns switching roles between Chief Accountant and Quality Control Supervisor.

PS. I also liked the strip clubs There was one midtown that used to have some great dark back corners - ahh. The golden days

What about the theatres around Times Square that offered live sex shows. I remember going to one that offered shows during lunch break that was filled with stockbroker and banker types. It was packed to capacity. The show was this big black man and this petite white girl. Every single one of the spectators were white businessmen. Try as they may the black guy could not get it up. Blow job, DATY, nothing worked. I felt bad for him. Not a peep from the audience. Very quiet. After the due time everyone exited quietly. Very civilized indeed. Strip clubs were located all over NYC. Drinks prices were high. Girls loved Brandy Alexander back then. As Tintin alluded lots of hanky panky took place in the recesses of the strip clubs. If only I had the financial resources then as I do now!

[Tintin1]

Tintin there were many such places in and around Times Square. My favorite was the biggest one, Show-World Center, Inc. , which occupied the basement, the street level, and second floor of a building located on the corner of 8th Avenue and 42nd Street.
I always fantasied about opening up an establishment with blow job booths thinking that if the girls can get their nethers cleaned why can't guys? I never did see those signs you mentioned about oral being illegal. I suppose that was why BJ booths never happened as I'm sure many of the entrepreneurs of the day would have thought of that as well. Could you imagine the amount of money that would made?

Yeah. I been to that one. And a few others. Oh yeah the signs were huge.

As to your business model. We should go into business together! Just move it somewhere it's legal! We can take turns switching roles between Chief Accountant and Quality Control Supervisor.

PS. I also liked the strip clubs There was one midtown that used to have some great dark back corners - ahh. The golden days

[Turgid]

There was a place on the 2nd floor just "north and west" of Times Square itself. You paid your token, the window opened and not only could you pick a girl sometimes, but you could look in and see the other mongers in action. Like performing in front of a live porno film. Over the walls above every area were signs by the NY Police (and giant police shield Logos) that any oral contact was illegal and right under that sign some girl could have a guys hair pulled back and her toes shoved down the back of his throat. Or her pussy basically suffocating him. OH THOSE WERE GOOD DAYS TURGID.

Tintin there were many such places in and around Times Square. My favorite was the biggest one, Show-World Center, Inc. , which occupied the basement, the street level, and second floor of a building located on the corner of 8th Avenue and 42nd Street. There were numerous peep shows and some theaters with live lesbian and other sex shows in that establishment. In that place there were also three stages which were each surrounded by numerous booths, each booth having a window which opened when you placed a token. When the window opened you saw numerous naked women on the stage. You also got to see all the guys peering through their respective windows. The stage was brightly lit and you pointed your dollar to the girl you wanted to enjoy for the next minute or so. She took the dollar and projected her buns through the window and you 'enjoyed' her. There was a permanent smell of cum in the place as many blokes had left momentos of their encounters in the booths. There were those ¨lucky¨ gents with buckets and mops cleaning each booth after its use but the smell never left.

I always fantasied about opening up an establishment with blow job booths thinking that if the girls can get their nethers cleaned why can't guys? I never did see those signs you mentioned about oral being illegal. I suppose that was why BJ booths never happened as I'm sure many of the entrepreneurs of the day would have thought of that as well. Could you imagine the amount of money that would made?