German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[McAdonis]

In the case of FKK clubs, the WG in a FKK more or less happens to agree that FKK's price structure in which she works. If she didn't agree, the WG wouldn't work in that club and would look for another working place which has the same or similar price structure as hers. When (or if) you see the uptrend of the WG's prices and the downtrend of the WG's services in FKK, it is because she is adjusting her services or prices based on the change of her personal situation such as general economic inflation in economies which she lives in or is related to and so on, it is not because of the demand from men.

Like Jnpr30 said, when there is a decrease in customers, many WGs choose to quit the profession. Or they move to another club, hoping that the clientele will be better. But they don't reduce their prices.

At ACA from Aug 2017 to November 2017, all the WGs unionized and tried to raise the prices. Since it is a remote club with no tourists, customers stopped attending. The WGs have since backed off and returned to old pricing. Maybe operators stepped in. Maybe "managers". Or maybe just pressure of knowing that they must provide for people back home (elderly parents, siblings, children).

Some mongers also believe that as a girl ages and she loses customers to younger WGs, she may feel need to improve her service. As you say "view of her own value" changes. So while she does not lower her rate from 50, she is willing to give more value to her customer.

[Bfsie]

Prostitute's price is not driven by market supply and demand as we understand it in economy. Not by market demand (men), the price is only decided by prostitute herself based on many issues such as her culture, view of her value, psychology, society and so on, Let me give you two examples first. A furniture store sells a table for 50 euro, but they couldn't sell it, so they lowered its price to 40 euro and then sold it for 40 euro. This is a typical market supply and demand example. Now another example, a girl in RLD (where she can freely decide her prices) asks for 50 euro for standard 30 min session, but no man bought her 30-min session, instead she will lower her 50-euro price for standard 30 min session, she quits (or will possibly lower her price to 40 euro only for 20-min (not 30-min) session). She will not lower her 50-euro price for standard 30-min session even if no man takes it.

In the case of FKK clubs, the WG in a FKK more or less happens to agree that FKK's price structure in which she works. If she didn't agree, the WG wouldn't work in that club and would look for another working place which has the same or similar price structure as hers. When (or if) you see the uptrend of the WG's prices and the downtrend of the WG's services in FKK, it is because she is adjusting her services or prices based on the change of her personal situation such as general economic inflation in economies which she lives in or is related to and so on, it is not because of the demand from men.

[Mr Ho]

Thanks for answering. The site pictures definitely see girls with silicone, good to know that pics are reliable. Love that pics actually reflect the girls instead of heavily photoshopped in the US. I had a session with an ex-globe at sharks few weeks ago. She said that management is tight on what the girls eat, salad only. Also that they didn't really have a choice in participating in public sex shows.

Guessing you mean face was not as pretty as you expected? It's really been the turn off for me as many bodies in Sharks and Oase can be 8/9, but the face around 6. So sad the ones that went for face surgeries, lip enhancement..

You got same problem as me, quite many body is near perfect for me, it is face that often is real problem. I used to find beautiful face girls, but recently, it is getting harder and harder.

One thing I did not like is lighting in main bar in Globe. It is bit dim and there is light magic, so watch out LOL. I liked lighting at upstairs eating area because you can see girls face well or also our changing room when they walk out of their changing room, you can see face well, but that is hard place to stay for long time.

I liked Sharks and LR as age of girls and service better, but hmmm faces were not bad, there is few things I do not like that spoil the whole face.

I actually tend to find most beautiful faces in artemis, palace and few times in gt, but mostly in first two clubs where plastic is norm. But do find natural beauty once in awhile, but now harder.

Hamburg is the region I have not adventured into and most beautiful face girls I found are German girls from hamburg, so I want to go but pricing there are same as globe now with upselling.

I did see pretty girls at globe, but the faces were not as I wanted, but they were not bad. It is not mostly stunners as I heard, I would say many 7 and 8, no 9 on my visit, but it was Sunday I went, so during weekdays, more lineup I think, am I right? Anybody?

[Mr Ho]

Never said prices would drop. But the prices can only consistently move up, if the prices of the direct competitors and substitutes go up.

Well. Price increased, services decreased, stunners decreased are the recent combination ratio problem LOL.

[AbcInFKK]

When I went to Globe, as far as body is concerned, site photo is quite accurate meaning I did not see any fat girl or ridiculously old girls, so globe management tend to care for some direction, before I go, I was told, globe only accept natural beauty girls by working girls in Germany, so it must have been true before, but when I went I did see some silicone, but over all line up was higher than German FKK, but it was not as what I was told or expected meaning all line up being stunner, but as for body, it is pretty good, face is different to what I expected except for two girls I found there. But I went on Sunday, so low line up day I guess.

Thanks for answering. The site pictures definitely see girls with silicone, good to know that pics are reliable. Love that pics actually reflect the girls instead of heavily photoshopped in the US. I had a session with an ex-globe at sharks few weeks ago. She said that management is tight on what the girls eat, salad only. Also that they didn't really have a choice in participating in public sex shows.

Guessing you mean face was not as pretty as you expected? It's really been the turn off for me as many bodies in Sharks and Oase can be 8/9, but the face around 6. So sad the ones that went for face surgeries, lip enhancement.

Never said prices would drop. But the prices can only consistently move up, if the prices of the direct competitors and substitutes go up.

Don't see prices dropping unless competition gets intense. With the internet, more and more people are finding out about these clubs (how I found out). The demand side will not go away as wealthy people fly in to partake. So unless there's a huge increase in good clubs, price doesn't seem to move. It's already surprising that price stays the same while inflation jacks everything else up.

This is also likely what happened to globe, as the 80 price I haven't seen a year or so ago and makes it much more tempting for me to visit globe.

[McAdonis]

In the Hessen clubs Or Artemis which I attend occasionally, there are always so many dudes and pricing is cosnsitently moving up. Of course if I prove to be wrong and I can get bbbj, bls, and other things from a super looker on the oase kino couches for 30 Euro, I will not be upset!

Never said prices would drop. But the prices can only consistently move up, if the prices of the direct competitors and substitutes go up.

[Polyamorist]

Most girls don't like girls who are smart and thinks for themselves.

But most guys do. I like a girl who can make up her own mind, it makes life much simpler. What I can't stand is girls who make decisions based on some group consensus. Or a hot chick who drags along her Dragon Friend, and you are supposed to be popular with the Dragon Friend before the hot chick will accept you. That's never going to happen, it's a fool's game.

There are various games that girls learn in real life and then take into the FKKs and they shouldn't.

It is better to have a girl like the Blessed Tree of Jordan, with luminous oils and surrounded by nothing for hundreds of miles. Hamdulillah!

[Mr Ho]

Why is Hessen out? I do like NRW much more, but might do another trip to Frankfurt in the future for a chance. I still have some free entry cards for Oase.

I hope prices won't go up. Makes it less tempting to travel.

I still go to Hessen, I was in Frankfurt in December, but service level is higher in NRW, but if you pay up in palace, I always got my best service in palace and Artemis actually, but these two clubs are pay up and you get it in club in general.

Artemis used to be reasonable, but got worst than palace and I stopped going to artemis in 2015, but palace I still goto.

I just begin to hate all the annoying negotiation which you do not have much at NRW and also you get pretty much full service for 50 euro in NRW still even from good looking girls except oceans LOL.

[Guy93]

Only competitive advantage German FKK now has is amount of FKK and girls, but now quality and services decreased and price increased LOL. Oh also annoying negotiation increased also without secure delivery of service sometimes.

Solution is Zurich or mildly keep on talking to German FKK management which I do between session as I do have chit chat with desk about random things in life and FKK. They sound like they do actually care in some clubs, but caring never reflect on services etc. LOL.

Nrw is still safe, Hessen is out, Artemis Berlin is out.

Why nrw is exception remained in mystery, but I clearly see differences in service level in NRW and it is not just competition as Hessen got competition too.

Why is Hessen out? I do like NRW much more, but might do another trip to Frankfurt in the future for a chance. I still have some free entry cards for Oase.

I hope prices won't go up. Makes it less tempting to travel.

[Mr Ho]

Girls remember almost every guy they have been with. And so, even if prices goes up for one individual, it doesn't mean that it goes up for everyone. At some places it does, but not everywhere. Many girls are skilled at this type of micromanaging every possible customer, and some discuss it among themselves too. Aside from that, the market will eventually balance itself out, although smart girls who will make the most money will think for themselves and not be taught by whom they think are their friends among the other girls. After all, the highest earning FKK girl I know of has 0, zero squat friends among the other FKK girls. Most girls don't like girls who are smart and thinks for themselves. (Mandy, Liz and Marlyn may be noble exceptions. And perhaps the rare other girl who'm there usually aren't more then one or two of in most clubs).

It sometimes surprise me when I go back to certain FKK, girls remember how much I paid last time and how long. The other thing, you pay more to other girls more, they also find out and ask the same pricing, so yes they do talk about clients payment schemes LOL.

I have to say though, once you get to know the girls a bit, they are fair enough and you can talk to them. I only met one girl in my time in FKK that is completely lunatic about prices and services, it was in Oase, some Hungarian girl. Funny, usually other than her, Hungarian girls are the among best provider in my FKK history like beautiful Geraldine in Artemis, who retired from industry.

[Pistons]

Girls remember almost every guy they have been with. And so, even if prices goes up for one individual, it doesn't mean that it goes up for everyone. At some places it does, but not everywhere. Many girls are skilled at this type of micromanaging every possible customer, and some discuss it among themselves too. Aside from that, the market will eventually balance itself out, although smart girls who will make the most money will think for themselves and not be taught by whom they think are their friends among the other girls. After all, the highest earning FKK girl I know of has 0, zero squat friends among the other FKK girls. Most girls don't like girls who are smart and thinks for themselves. (Mandy, Liz and Marlyn may be noble exceptions. And perhaps the rare other girl who'm there usually aren't more then one or two of in most clubs).

[Mr Ho]

That's disappointing to hear. Globe is my next target destination. Personal tastes aside, do you find the pictures on the site accurate?

If pictures are accurate I would rate a good amount as 8+ for body, but seeing them in person and face is very important (which many are blocking face for privacy reasons).

When I went to Globe, as far as body is concerned, site photo is quite accurate meaning I did not see any fat girl or ridiculously old girls, so globe management tend to care for some direction, before I go, I was told, globe only accept natural beauty girls by working girls in Germany, so it must have been true before, but when I went I did see some silicone, but over all line up was higher than German FKK, but it was not as what I was told or expected meaning all line up being stunner, but as for body, it is pretty good, face is different to what I expected except for two girls I found there. But I went on Sunday, so low line up day I guess.

[Mr Ho]

Only competitive advantage German FKK now has is amount of FKK and girls, but now quality and services decreased and price increased LOL. Oh also annoying negotiation increased also without secure delivery of service sometimes.

Solution is Zurich or mildly keep on talking to German FKK management which I do between session as I do have chit chat with desk about random things in life and FKK. They sound like they do actually care in some clubs, but caring never reflect on services etc. LOL.

Nrw is still safe, Hessen is out, Artemis Berlin is out.

Why nrw is exception remained in mystery, but I clearly see differences in service level in NRW and it is not just competition as Hessen got competition too.

[Member #4581]

As Takedown says, the locals who linger and are attending 30 plus times a year are a small but noticeable minority. Jnpr, are you telling me that every time you attend Sharks, you recognize the eighty percent of the clientele? There was the young Turk, and the guy Siri called the Asian hermaphrodyte, and a few more. But for every one of these hardcore local Germans there are six or seven casual local German mongers who have an outside life. And these guys may attend 1-5 times a year.

I have no idea who the truly representative locals are. I see approximately 15 to 20 faces that I can recognize and have seen before. Is that too many or too few? Anyway, the statements to the effect "locals want to take quickies and attend only a couple of times a year", and "locals like to come in, relax, use wellness and not much interested in fucking" were both yours. I truly have no insight into their behavior.

This whole thing started with the forecast that prices will comes down because demand will be depeessed, and I questioned it. At least till now, I see no evidence. Whether it happens in future, who knows?! In the Hessen clubs Or Artemis which I attend occasionally, there are always so many dudes and pricing is cosnsitently moving up. Of course if I prove to be wrong and I can get bbbj, bls, and other things from a super looker on the oase kino couches for 30 Euro, I will not be upset!

[Mr Ho]

I am with you on the long term trend. Prices for same service will continue to rise on average. I do have to interject that in the the short term, the price can lower the demand and thus increased the supply. This happened last year at Acapulco with girls dropping their failed BBBJ up charge. It also temporarily gave some relief at Oase 2 years ago when good service at Sharks and local boycott forced Oase girls to temporarily ease their upselling. At the very least, it forced the club to add happy hour entry and improve the food.

And yes most locals are the quick few hour types but there is a very noticeable group of lingerers that regularly occupy the same spot at clubs like Sharks, Living Room, and Golden Time.

Temporary drop the up sell. Temporally is the problem part.

And I do not mind mild up sell if service is delivered, but nowadays these girls are beginning to ask for more or same price as globe Zurich. I laugh at their face.