German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[WorkTravel80]

I have visited the Palace 5-6 (Idont remember) times this year, so I've had my share of paradise this year. I cannot afford to visit the club again, as I am travelling to the U. S very soon. So I HAVE to wait, but I have to live with that. I can jerk of to my best moments in the Palace. I still would consider myself as a newbie. Haven't visited other Fkks, but have bee to the Palace 7-8 times. And by reading this forum, I didn't get "sharked", not even on my virgin trip. I have always enjoyed my time. And I really think the service in the bar / restaurant / reception is exepctional. And I always find nice GFE providers. That will provide DFK and some really good sex. Actually better sex that I have had in my real life.

Yeah they are working girls, but still just human beiings. If you show them respect and that you really like spending time with them, not just pound them, you may get lucky. For some visitors thats not important. Some of us like PSE, and I respect that. Sometimes I also look for optifucks. But for ME, usually its very important to find a girl that I really like and hopefully she likes me a little too. And I have been lucky several times. And I still think some of them can enjoy their time with customers. Not that I stand a chance outside the club or something like that. But you can find girls that will give you a real GFE with cuddling DFK and all that you desire, for no extras. I have had 50 euros session, with lots of kissing etc. You can also find girls like mentioned above that try to charge extra for everything. Kissing GFE" etc. I usually never go with such girls. I always clear things up BEFORE entering or touching the girls. So I have never had any problems with paying. My last time in the Palace I actually did something unusual" for me, I went with a girl I thought may be a little sharky and cold in the room. But she turned out to be a very good choice. She was cold in the start, (in the start, outside the club). But we chatted awhile and she loosend up and became "another" girl. She said that she got sad because the time was up, because I was so nice to her. I know that many girls can say that, that they love you etc. I can admit that I actually beleived her. I licked her pussy and she told me how fast / slow she liked it. And she took control of my hand showed me what kind of movements she liked. Could not finger her, but seemed like she got a clitoris orgasm. She got wet and moved her lower parts up and down, and kissed my neck like crazy. No kissing with tongue, I repected that. But she was so sweet in the room, I could have her in my arms. Just like a real girlfriend. I felt that the session was "real". Of course you can find some intense and maybe sharky girls. But I just avoid them. In a nice way of course. The first 90 minutes of my stay I usually get approached by many girls, some more intense than the others. But I cannot say that bothers me. I love to arrive early 13. 00 ish and stay until midnight. The place is really clean and the food is really good. I eat like crazy when I'm there. So, so far I haven't had any needs to try out other Fkk clubs. I am so satisfied with the Palace, but my last trip I considered a trip to Oase. But ended up with my beloved Palace. Maybe Ill go to Oase next year. Who knows.

[Breadman]

I've done it several times, you never know just how determined the girl is with getting that 50 euro's. One time I had the girl sitting on my lap at Oase on one of those couch's by the rooms, waiting for one to open. It took 15 minutes for one to free up, massaging her back (not groping). Things looked good until we get in the room and the first thing out of her mouth is 'I can only do BJ, your too big for me'. At which point I said "ok, forget about it then". She then demanded 50 euro's for having to wait for the room. Told her that wasn't going to happen and kept on walking. You don't know if she's going to follow you and make a scene, just start walking.

Another trick is the girl starts with 69 so she can slip a condom on for the BJ. She knows guys are apt to quit the session if she insists on a CBJ. Had this happen on my last trip, she's already sucking away so its too late to duck out of the room. So did the only other thing possible, fucked her hard for the rest of the session. She kept on saying 'you cum yet? ' which I'd reply "I always cum fast with a BBBJ but since you don't do that, we'll have to finish this way' and I'd keep on pounding away. After a weeks worth of BBBJ's, you don't feel shit with a CBJ.

And don't forget the end of the hour trick of trying to trick you into staying past the half hour. This is where the girl will ask if its ok to smoke afterwards, lights up and tries to start a conversation. The conversation is usually forced, you can tell the questions she's asking are a delay tactic to get you to forget about the time. She wants to show up to the money lockers at the 40 minute mark and tell you its 100 euro's, not 50. Yeah, you have to wait for the girl to get dressed, clean up the mess and all. Anything longer than 3 minutes and you have to wonder if she's trying for the extra 50. Only once did I actually leave the room and head back to the lockers, I wanted to be at the bar waiting so she couldn't say I overstayed in the room. Amazing how fast she got dressed after I said I'll meet you at the bar.

[Sucker17]

I have spent all my Fkk money this year. So I will probably visit Frankfurt again March 2013. And the next summer. I totally agree with you when it comes to the lingerie days. I love to undress women. So ca you recommend Artemis? Do you like that club better than Fkk Oase. I haveunderstood that you're not a fan of the Palace, hehe.

How cum you manage to hold your horses for such a long time? March 2013. That's a hell of a long time to wait to get back to paradise! Well Palace is not that bad, I am not a big fan of the club, but I've had lots of fun there earlier, especially on calmer nights. The ideal FKK does not exist because there are negative points to find everywhere. What I really love at Palace is the bar staff, really friendly and serviceminded. I would dare to say the best bar / staff among the FKK? The whole cleanliness of the place is of course a very positive point. Then as a non-smoker, I appreciate that they have a separate smokerlounge, it helps a lot. But Palace fails at the most important point IMO: girls service. I would not be fair to say that all girls upsell, but a large proportion of the girls at Palace nags about upselling, the way Kimino described very well.

But what I didn't write in my last report from Artemis is that I feel the upsell strategy has started there as well, it's like a damn virus! My favourite FKK (from what I've visited) is definitely Oase. Artemis comes very close, and is sometimes even on par when it comes to girls service, but what I don't like so much in A is the fact that many more girls now are siliconized. If you're into silicon bimbos, Artemis is definitely the place to be! But personally I prefer next-door-babe-looks instead, and Oase and World have lots on offer here! Another good point is the ambiance, which I feel is so much better at Oase. I can't wait to get back when the renovation is finished!

[WorkTravel80]

I have spent all my Fkk money this year. So I will probably visit Frankfurt again March 2013. And the next summer. I totally agree with you when it comes to the lingerie days. I love to undress women. So ca you recommend Artemis? Do you like that club better than Fkk Oase. I haveunderstood that you're not a fan of the Palace, hehe.

[Sucker17]

Personally I really like the lingerie days, Wednesday. So sucker17 when are you visiting the Palace again, would have been great with a wingman.

I "had" my first debut at dessous tag in Artemis during my stay in May (nice rhyme to it) and I really liked it. I can't understand why so many are against the lingerie day, as I just think it adds more spice and fun to it. My next trip, hmmm I just invested in a 55" Sony flatscreen that ate a lot of my budget, nice to watch the Euro final LOL! I was planning on a Frankfurt trip mid-August if the finances will allow it. I will for sure be in Frankfurt for work in September during the Automechanika-messe, but I fear the clubs will be a circus!

[WorkTravel80]

You know what sucker17? I actually think that you could. In the Palace I have had various girls kissing me (no DFK though). And I think they did because they wanted to. Some of them like to cuddle a little even thoug they won't get a session from you. But to newbies: as soon as the girl gets her lips around your dick the deal is done. Is like, you cannot start to eat on a cookie in Starbucks and leave the half of it and say I don't want to pay. For me personally I don't touch girls asses / pussies / boobs without sessioning with them. I find that a little bit disrespectual But of course I can cuddle a little and if they start / show initiative of kissing me of course I don't mind. But thats just my point of view, I don't say it is impossible to touch a girls breast for free in a Fkk, hehe.

Visited the Palace some days ago, acutally three times. One Monday. 2 hours the Tuesday an all the day last Friday. The place was really packed last Friday. Had to wait for the room, but I liked it as I got more cuddling time with my favorite Romanian. I almos fell in love with a girl called Inna or Ila from Romania. Dark hair, rather skinny, navel piercing, nice ass. Small boobs. But very well shaped. She seemed like a shark when she spoke to me inthe club. Asking for a session. And I started to talk with her. And thougt "what tha hell". So we went to the room, decided for 30 minutes. But after some minutes I changed my mind. I really liked this girl. So decided for a 100euro session. And also had to run to my hotel later the same night, to get another 100 euros for a repeat session. The lineup was really good that Friday night. Ill write a detailet report later. Personally I really like the lingerie days, Wednesday. So sucker17 when are you visiting the Palace again, would have been great with a wingman.

[Sucker17]

This discussion makes me think back at a situation I had as a newbie in FKK World. I just arrived with my wingman and sat down next to a Romanian (shocker!) girl. She was obviously very keen on showing the premises and she started kissing me while I was trying to eat something. I was a bit intrigued by that, because I was not iniating anything, but then again I'm not playing hard to get either! So I let her show me the rest of the World (!) and I felt a bit obliged to have at least a 50 E session with her. But in retrospect I've wondered if I could have pulled out of the deal?

[Angus Magee]

I haven't been to a FKK but would like to go to the ones around Frankfurt before the end of this year. My question is: If you to a room with a woman and she starts to upsell you and you start to get bad vibes about her attitude, can you leave the room without obligation (paying anything)? Thanks.

Well I don't like your chances here. Of course you can try, but once you have arrived at the room chances are that you have at the very minimum kissed a bit, perhaps even had your dick in her mouth. Getting away from that scot free will involve some argument and probably management intervention. With the contact I mention, management will probably side with the girl and ask you to pay something.

And if I might be allowed a mild rant here-locals and guys who make German FKK their destination year after year, experienced club goers, have put in some time, spent the money and have the experience to generally manage these situations with a minimum of fuss and grief. In such a situation, if the girl really starts to grind you, pay the girl the minimum, have your way (or not) and get out of there. Chalk it up to experience and move on. FKK clubs are just that, clubs. The sex can be great but there are pit falls from time to time. One of the reasons that the FKK is such fun is that it can, in a good club, mimic the environment of a civilian disco with the advantage of being able to bang the girls instead of having to dance with them and buy them drinks. Guys who come here treating the girls like 'hos and not doing due diligence before heading to the room just sour the atmosphere.

As Kimino notes, this sort of situation you describe is not that common. But it becomes more and more common the more guys just drag a girl off to the room without properly vetting them. Of course the girls say they want you to just head off to the room, they want the cash. It is up to you though to hold steady and make reasonably sure that the girl and you are a fit. Make good choices in other words and suck it up if you make a mistake.

My 2 cents and mildly rant-ish opinion.

AM

[Kimino]

I haven't been to a FKK but would like to go to the ones around Frankfurt before the end of this year. My question is: If you to a room with a woman and she starts to upsell you and you start to get bad vibes about her attitude, can you leave the room without obligation (paying anything)? Thanks.

As long as you didn't start having sex (any kind of sex) with the girl, you could probably do that, but it's a very strange situation.

When girls upsell they usually do that after you started doing stuff. At that point the minimum rate has to be paid.

Some real world examples:

1) You get in the room and the girl (before doing anythin) pulls something like: "Do you want a normal suck and fuck standard service or you wish to have a more relaxed, one hr, beautiful session?" I find this, sneaky but honest. Happended often at Palace, sometimes at Artemis with new girls. You decide what to do.

2) You get in the room, start doing stuff then maybe try to kiss the girl and she goes: "no that's 50 extra". Touch her pussy, same stuff. This I really hate, I can take it if it's not extreme but it does spoil it. If it's bad, more than once I quitted the session, paid the girl the minimum and saved a pop.

3) A combination of the above. This really makes me angry. In that case, even if I booked an hour I pay the minimum (if I didn't use up the time) and leave, usually.

But don't bang your head on this, this is very rare, in my experience. Reading some threads, Palace for example, it sounds like things like this happens all the time, but my experience is different. So it's either I'm going to a different club, or I'm very lucky.

If you are concered about this, simply ask everything before, in the details. Something like:

- You do BBBJ?

- You Kiss?

- Can I lick you?

- etc.

I don't like this too much because It makes me feel like I'm buying a car and although I know I'm doing business with a girl that is doing this all day long, I still feel it's a lack of savoir faire to talk like this to a girl. Call me stupid.

What I normaly do, If I don't know the girl and have a gut feeling of some kind is I say smiling something like: "Hey babe, no upselling or bs right? I'd love to lick you, is that ok?" Or something along the line.

To the extreme, at Artemis once I was took to a room by 2 Polish girls. They really tryed to BS me. Said they wanted to use the condom because I was not clean (absolutely not true) , went off and took a shower again, came back and they were chatting together. Started blowing again and out came the condom again. At that point I told them to fuck off and that I would quit. They started saying I had to pay anyways. We argued a bit around that, and finally made a deal wher I gave 30euro each and we closed it there.

This was probably my worst experience of that kind, never happened something similar.

My2cents.

Kimino

[Benjoe]

I haven't been to a FKK but would like to go to the ones around Frankfurt before the end of this year. My question is: If you to a room with a woman and she starts to upsell you and you start to get bad vibes about her attitude, can you leave the room without obligation (paying anything)? Thanks.

[Member #4285]

A bit of a sidenote, I remember my first FKK visit ever. I took a shower in Artemis and was literally a bit shocked by the cleaning ladies that went inside the mens locker room. But they had this "stone" face on them, ignoring completely that I was stark naked in front of them. I just imagined that they have become so jaded by seeing so much dicks going around! I have never thought of tipping them, but they sure do a great job, especially in Artemis. The only ones I am not impressed by are the barladies in A. They surely have something to learn from the great service in the FKK Palace bar. That's about all there is to learn from Palace.

One time I asked the cleaning lady in Artemis "is this the right place to put my used towel". She gave me an answer that felt that she wanted to kill me. Actually, almost all the staff at Artemis is very unpleasant. Best service I usually get at the lower bar by the pool and in the dining room (and if I take a massage). The Palace bar actuallt WANT to sell drinks in contrast to Artemis who do not seem to want to sell a shit. Best service is at Golden Time. Free and with a smile =)

[Sucker17]

Don't know about tipping in general but the fact that you remember to tip the cleaners is really nice. They do work hard and for not much money I imagine.

AM

A bit of a sidenote, I remember my first FKK visit ever. I took a shower in Artemis and was literally a bit shocked by the cleaning ladies that went inside the mens locker room. But they had this "stone" face on them, ignoring completely that I was stark naked in front of them. I just imagined that they have become so jaded by seeing so much dicks going around! I have never thought of tipping them, but they sure do a great job, especially in Artemis. The only ones I am not impressed by are the barladies in A. They surely have something to learn from the great service in the FKK Palace bar. That's about all there is to learn from Palace.

[Angus Magee]

I also always try to tip the girl cleaning the tables and ashtray's. They are the worst paid girls in the club and running around cleaning up all the mess. Its a joy to see their smile when I hand them over 10E's. I used to do that right before leaving earlier but now I just tip them whenever I get a chance sitting alone and she comes along to clean the table so alteast she smiles at me every time we lock eyes for the rest of the stay. And its nice to get some napkins and table service when you sit down to eat hehe

Don't know about tipping in general but the fact that you remember to tip the cleaners is really nice. They do work hard and for not much money I imagine.

AM

[Travelforfun]

I tip almost the same way. Max 20 E for one hour session. More often I tend to buy them drinks (depending on the place) , and share my stash which they appreciate.

Usually I would tip almost the same way too. However sometimes I tend to tip when not required and go overboard with things.

Like the dancers at Samya, somehow I always end up paying them. 1 reason is that I love dance shows and 2nd I kinda feel for the girls putting in so much effort for our entertainment that I tend to tip them 5-10E during their act. I usually budget 50 E for tips going into the club, for me having one less session is no big deal than enjoying with lets say 5-6 different girls during my stay. The nice one's usually come and say thanks personally when the finish the dance and even the worst snobs will atleast smile back at you.

Funny is when some girls will just grind at you sitting at the bar and hope for a tip, the nice one's I do tip sometimes but not always. But its fun none the less for 50-60 Euro I have a party time there and get to know a lot more girls which sometimes comes handy in picking the right ones.

For me tipping is just an upfront investment for maybe better service if I choose the same girl to the room, they probably don't watch the clock so much after that and service, communication is that much better. Even if I don't go to the room with her it gives me a enough satisfaction to just have a good time with them and interact. Would'nt we all spend 10E outside the club to impress a girl if we met one, I just treat it at the same level. And not to forget the Ego boost and happiness the girls get which inturn surely gets me some brownie points for my KARMA.

The worst is when I buy the drinks there, the Vodka-Redbull is 5E but they always come back with coins as change and I hate walking around with my pockets jingling so I let the bartender have the change, sometimes when I've tipped 1-2 times I make sure I give her the correct change or order 2 drinks.

However the bright side is that after the first Tip the drinks that follow are always stronger and better.

I also always try to tip the girl cleaning the tables and ashtray's. They are the worst paid girls in the club and running around cleaning up all the mess. Its a joy to see their smile when I hand them over 10E's. I used to do that right before leaving earlier but now I just tip them whenever I get a chance sitting alone and she comes along to clean the table so alteast she smiles at me every time we lock eyes for the rest of the stay. And its nice to get some napkins and table service when you sit down to eat hehe

[Member #4285]

Clubs that would otherwise not have free beer, have you noticed any difference in the mood now with them? Golden Time that I visited had free beer (every day) , but the guests were not noticeably affected. I liked the free beer. Pity that GT is so far away. Loves to fuck in the open air or in a beach chair.