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[BigBuddy69]

However, what I do not get is what purpose is then served by bashing megaclubs and bashing "the newbies and clueless foreign sex tourists" that attend these big Hessen clubs. I mean, if you say "XX is a bad place, do not go there" isn't it better to also add "but go to YY because it is good for these reasons"? Simply saying "XX is bad place and all people that attend XX are clueless" does not serve any significantly productive utility, in my view.

Actually I think I reported more than enough. I also gave frequent advises for where to get a good service for the normal price and I still do. But when I read serial-tippers who go to 40 euros clubs and tip every time 10 euros, I'm not sure that they got the message loud and clear.

[Optimist]

Pessimist. Thank you for your thoughtful response. You have taken the trouble to count my posts in Finca and in Sharks, and note that although Sharks is not my favourite club, I have more posts there. No need to see that as a contradiction. I have been to Sharks many more times (although not much recently) so, as I believe in reporting when possible, I have more posts in the Sharks threads.

I certainly do not want to bash the megaclubs. I love Oase for the wow factor. My only point is that if a member here does not like the overcharging (my phrase) not only are there girls who do not (as Turgid just reports) but there are other clubs where overcharging is almost unknown, and where optics are still good. Up to each member to go with what works for him.

You make a very good point about the way the culture in clubs changes over time

[Gino02]

I don't think they are any more greedy. But that's just me being technical and semantics focused. They were always greedy in my opinion, but in the past they balanced their greed with a better sense of prevailing reality in those days.

I agree with the gist of your proposition. The new recruits are openly demanding extras for standard stuff and withholding 30 M sessions for 50 E more brazenly and openly, and in general trying to make a faster buck and believing that they can easily make 15 to 20 grand per month very easily. I have also seen this attitude. I blame this partly on the change in the law, partly on the higher mix of tourists (agreeing with Big Buddy on this one), more than partly on the tutorials they are probably receiving from their older sisters in the clubs.

What I mean is that the new recruits of a few years ago were mentored by their senior WGs who probably joined the business nine to ten years ago. So, they received some good lessons. As time went on, they probably became a bit greedy but their own behavior was still shaped by the early club lesions. But these new recruits of today are mentored by girls who joined 4,5 years ago and there is not any good service manners being drilled into them.

That's my guess.

Are these new poor service upselling recruits in last 2 years actually making more money per month compared to the new good service no-upselling recruits before that? I remember Aylice at Sharks or Elizabeth CZ at Oase in 2015-2016 used to easily make 1000-1500 e per day, 15000 - 20000 e per month by doing 50 e 30 min sessions or multiple units of that with giving really good service and zero upselling. How many of these poor service upselling new recruits in last 2 years make that kind of money in Oase or Sharks nowadays? I don't know any, do anybody here know? If they are not making similar to Elizabeth CZ or Aylice, maybe they can learn from the history? Maybe we mongers can help today's new recruits by coaching them about how to maximize net income by balancing good products and solid services with attractive pricing, commitment to quality, volume and discounts, value of repeat business etc, when we get any chance to talk with them?

[Palcon]

I have been to artemis, babylon (hamburg), LR, GT, Samya, Yin Yang and Oceans and I think the few top optics were at GT. I'm trying to fulfill a fantasy of mine and trying to find a blonde like Daniela Rosch (german BTW and gorgeous) https://www.erosberry.com/daniela-rosch-alias-corina Do you guys know of any girls that resemble her or which clubs have girls w / her body type and natural. Thanks.

[Jolokia]

Yes, I also think that having gym near by helps considering hard working hours / type of job of FKK girls. In case of Artemis, it is in house gym down stairs and I even saw security guy doing personal training to some girls.

LR also has gym near by, I see one on the way to LR like few minutes walk.

Mr Ho Mr Ho, my theory is many FKK girls have their nice body primarily due to win genetic lottery and youth of being in early 20's. Many work long hour with only maybe 4-5 hour sleep, exposure to loud music, bad diet and smoking all day which suppress appetite and eat less. I believe most are too tired for gym when not on holiday. Their nice figure was not created from go to gym for most these girls, they are just born with it.

[Pessimist]

Is it just me, or is the 18-21 year old, as in the youngest new recruits in the past 2 years, more greedy than just 3 years ago? Thinking especially about Sharks and Oase now.

I don't think they are any more greedy. But that's just me being technical and semantics focused. They were always greedy in my opinion, but in the past they balanced their greed with a better sense of prevailing reality in those days.

I agree with the gist of your proposition. The new recruits are openly demanding extras for standard stuff and withholding 30 M sessions for 50 E more brazenly and openly, and in general trying to make a faster buck and believing that they can easily make 15 to 20 grand per month very easily. I have also seen this attitude. I blame this partly on the change in the law, partly on the higher mix of tourists (agreeing with Big Buddy on this one), more than partly on the tutorials they are probably receiving from their older sisters in the clubs.

What I mean is that the new recruits of a few years ago were mentored by their senior WGs who probably joined the business nine to ten years ago. So, they received some good lessons. As time went on, they probably became a bit greedy but their own behavior was still shaped by the early club lesions. But these new recruits of today are mentored by girls who joined 4,5 years ago and there is not any good service manners being drilled into them.

That's my guess.

[Pessimist]

It depends. If you're only into optics and don't care if the girl acts as a starfish or of you're ready to pay twice the price, it can be very good. If you're more into service and don't want to pay more than the normal price, I don't think that's the best place for you.

I'm not sure it's a good idea since some of the posters / readers here are overpayers or are constantly bragging that they're so full of money that they can do 3 hours rooms as much as they want. I don't want to take the upsell epidemy out of Frankfurt. Don't forget the few morons who like to talk shit to the girls about other posters.

Well, it is totally understandable you do not like Hessen megaclubs and also do not want to share info about your best clubs and best girls for fear of spoiling a good thing. What a man wants to share or not is his own prerogative. All the senior members who write anything at all here are owed a huge thanks — for a long time I was just a lurker without writing anything and I still haven't written any reviews as the other gentleman just pointed out.

However, what I do not get is what purpose is then served by bashing megaclubs and bashing "the newbies and clueless foreign sex tourists" that attend these big Hessen clubs. I mean, if you say "XX is a bad place, do not go there" isn't it better to also add "but go to YY because it is good for these reasons"? Simply saying "XX is bad place and all people that attend XX are clueless" does not serve any significantly productive utility, in my view.

I'm not sure I agree with the last sentence. Some guy is probably talking shit to some girl in some place, that kinda thing is always happening and no one can ever stop it. That however is not a reason enough to stop sharing in open forums. Info can always be shared without giving too many specifics and particulars, IMHO.

[Theo110]

Here is what I think should be expected as the bare minimum when I go to these clubs from the girls in the room.

1. Forplay Kissing, light touching of all parts of the girl, caressing, handjob.

2. Blow Job without condom.

3. Sex in multiple positions.

4. Cum in condom.

5. The girl at least pretending like she is into it and cares about my pleasure.

Am I being Greedy for having this standard? Or have things changed?

In the good clubs (Goldentime, Living Room, (Sharks 40 percent of the time, most AO clubs) You can get service like this without having to ask, it just happens and there is no extra charge.

In some of the other clubs (Oase, Mainhatten, Oceans, etc) It is not and you need to ask. Is like any kind of foreplay is up-sell. Then when you tell the girls this and you agree to give them extra money they don't do it or do other things in the room half halfheartedly.

[McAdonis]

Pessimist's post offers some perspective. Financial priorities matter: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2325359.

Income is only one variable. All things being equal, a single, childless bachelors who are approaching retirement can spend more money on luxuries such as mongering. Stage of life also matters too (I. E. Whether one will soon receive an inheritance from parents). I recently heard of one monger in his 50's who is dumping large sums into the coffers of his FKK wife. This monger in his 50's reportedly told his friends "I can sell my flat, because I do not have any kids to hand it down to. And I can't take that money with me". The implication is that he could blow through his money and live life to the fullest.

More important is the fact that each person values things differently. Just because a person has expensive tastes when it comes to cars, does not necessarily mean he has expensive tastes when it comes to WGs. ISGers are hardcore mongers. We only make up 10-15 percent of the FKK population. How much we are prepared to spend for a session with that superstar WG is not reflective of how much casual mongers are prepared to spend on her. I will make an analogy here to customers in the restaurant industry. Majority of diners do not write food reviews on Yelp, Google or Facebook, except the 5 percent who are obsessed with food! When you are obsessed with food, you tend to allocate more of your financial resources to food. For instance, due to the influence of social media, food has become somewhat of a status symbol for millennial. A single female, 33-year old millennial foodie can spend 30-60 percent of her paycheck on food. So if she is making $50 K per year, she may be conceivably spending $30 K per year on food. Most American fly-in mongers make significantly more than $50 K, but as KK noted, many are quite happy eating cold packaged meats from Rewe. Again, priorities.

Lastly, many Americans here are not familiar with compensation packages in Europe. In America, a company car is not a common perk. But in Europe it is fairly standard. This article provides a scenario of an employee who makes 5000 EUR (before taxes) who is issued a company car worth 50000 EUR. In Belgium, company cars are issued to even the most junior employees. an estimated 50% of university graduates are offered a company car at their first job.

[Pistons]

Is it just me, or is the 18-21 year old, as in the youngest new recruits in the past 2 years, more greedy than just 3 years ago? Thinking especially about Sharks and Oase now.

[Escape Artist]

Bfsie,

I visit both small NRW clubs and Frankfurt mega clubs and I find value in both scenes. When a poster advises you that you are "not missing" anything at the megaclubs is a bit wishful thinking. I do agree that one can find equally beautiful girls in NRW, but feel that I have had sessions with every single girl on my "wish list" within that region. I generally go to each club in NRW already knowing which girls with whom I will session. Occasionally, I will find a new girl that wows me. In Frankfurt, there are still girls who look great that I have yet to take to a room. I seem to always see a new face that perks my interest.

Secondly, while the service in NRW is on average better, it is hardly a guarantee. Look at Oceans, Samya, Magnum, Dolce Vita, Mondial, PHG, and even Acapulco. Amazing sex is hardly guaranteed at those clubs. I believe you were the one who mentioned that Turkish clientele oriented clubs generally do not provide as reliable service as the German oriented ones and I think you hit the nail on the head. And well, there are many more clubs in NRW that are geared towards Turkish clients. I dare say that Turkish service is just as bad as tourist service.

Anyway, Frankfurt clubs are absolutely worth a visit as you just have so many more girls and more fresh girls under one roof.

[Ararat]

I am continually amazed at the ongoing battle between avid supporters of the mega clubs and any criticism of them.

I'm equally amazed that Optimist and Pessimist have different opinions.

I mostly visit Oase of the mega clubs as the others never really done anything for me (Artemis used to) but to each their own. Agree it's too bad when people get too invested in the clubs.

If there's anything visiting the clubs taught me is what I really like and where it deviates from what others like. Hence, different clubs for different people and it doesn't mean one is objectively better than the other.

I have been to Globe BTW and the girls were beautiful and so on but surprisingly the actual club felt a bit rundown. I know that people say they don't care and only visit clubs for girls but I still wonder if others agree.

[BigBuddy69]

Oase and Sharks are fine clubs which fit the need for the most number of mongers but perhaps some mongers with a lot of miles on their bodies have specialized needs and can't have fun there.

It depends. If you're only into optics and don't care if the girl acts as a starfish or of you're ready to pay twice the price, it can be very good. If you're more into service and don't want to pay more than the normal price, I don't think that's the best place for you.

sharing openly will grab the attention of all readers, and traffic (both on ISG and attendance at the club) will be redirected to those clubs.

I'm not sure it's a good idea since some of the posters / readers here are overpayers or are constantly bragging that they're so full of money that they can do 3 hours rooms as much as they want. I don't want to take the upsell epidemy out of Frankfurt. Don't forget the few morons who like to talk shit to the girls about other posters.

[Sirioja]

Sirioja. You mention Magdalena. I think she is a case of YMMV. I had several discussions with her before going to a room, and she delivered on all the promises. Absolutely not suck and fuck only. On that occasion at least. She was very sweet with me

Even I would run to her look in any club, but with her breathe, I can't have pleasure with her and also not into foreplay, so even she smiled to me on next day, but 50 wasted for me and I hate that. I prefer to spend 500 for a top girl at Globe. Just my subjective experience of course, like always, and I m very different. Only positive was no upselling, even coming from Mainhattan.

[Pessimist]

Sorry that I gave the impression you articulated below. I am not yet knowledgeable about most of the senior members here although I have been lurking for a while before I began finally writing. What I want to say, my comment was not most certainly not related to any person and certainly not you.

In a way, it could be about me. I find that I become jaded as I age, and need more to stimulate me to the same degree. I was married and that was sufficient to make me and keep me happy, then I needed more, and more and more. In the mainstream clubs, the services tend to be, well mainstream. So, it kinda makes sense that as one becomes more experienced they may want more things and seek out specialized clubs. It was most certainly not derogatory comment.

I quite agree with your second paragraph and this is exactly my intent in making my prior comment. There is a lot of bashing of the megaclubs here. The gentleman to whom I had responded referred to the post counts as a way to prove that megaclubs are overrun with newbies and tourists and implied that they are happy to be ripped off and I believe you expressed your own agreement with that comment.

What I am saying is that all if you senior members who are so experienced and have such vast knowledge actually publish it in a more open manner, the clueless tourists as you guys call them might benefit from that insight and visit other clubs. I see that you said in the Sharks thread that it is not your favorite club at all and yet you have more posts in Sharks than say, Finca (I could be wrong in this). I am a newbie writer and haven't the talent to write super reports as you do. I will strive to do it, even if it can't match the quality of senior writers.

But to your last paragraph, I am in total agreement. I am not as experienced as you are I am sure, but I have visited a few clubs in my life and enjoyed all of them in their own way. I am recently enjoying the megaclubs more than the smaller ones due to my requirement of volume consumption but I am also not going to go around and bash the smaller clubs in those threads, nor will I be bashing the attendees of those clubs whoever they may be because I am also an attendee of the smaller clubs as well occasionally.

The reference to mongers with a lot of miles on their bodies, and the connection to recent reports on Finca would appear to relate to me

Regardless of who you are referring to, you are assuming that you know the motivations and private actions of people you do not know personally, even if you have gathered information about them. I suggest it is a good idea for all of us to refrain from attributing motives and hidden actions to other members. What we claim about other members is more likely to reveal more about our own view of the world.