German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Neurosynth]

When prostitution is made illegal it doesn't go away. It just becomes hidden and more expensive.

When going bareback is made illegal it won't go away. It will just become hidden and more expensive.

[Mr Ho]

Are you happy to lie to law enforcement when interviewed under caution and also expect the girl you were with to back up your story that no bareback of any kind occured?

Well BBBJ is the only way to go, and if that dies out, here I come Austira and Switzerland.

As for Popos, if they come in during my session, I will refuse to wear any towel around my waste and since it is FKK, I think I am allowed to remain nude front of officers and I will ask female police officer to question me due to how uncomfortable male officers feel while I am butt naked and I make sure that my dick remain strongly up to the roof while I am getting interviewed as that is only chance we got to be butt naked front of female police officers legally with strong erection, I may once in awhile scratch my erected penis during interview, amen to Viagra LOL.

In conclusion, seriously speaking, if BBBJ condition do change radically then I got to change nation for mongering. Every time if there is any changes, people talk about it but nothing always changes. Like Artemis, after the raid it remained as it is and with my view it actually got better for upselling, there are less of that and girls became nicer for some reason after the raid.

[Member #4585]

I'm certainly not familiar with German law, but Germany is a member of the Vienna Convention on Consular Notification (1963). Although they did not join the optional part about mandatory consular notification, Germany is still required under this international treaty to provide you access to your consulate and consulate officers. But you must notify the arresting officers that you are a foreign national and that you are requesting to speak to your consulate. Your consulate can recommend qualified attorneys for any predicament you might find yourself in.

When being questioned by officers, you don't have to say, "I'm not answering any questions. " Instead, you can simply say, "I am happy to cooperate and answer all of your questions. I would be happy to schedule an interview with you, me, and my consular officer at your convenience. Please let me know what times would be good for you, and I will arrange an interview with you, me, and my consular officer. ".

Of course, this won't get you very far, and the arresting officers will probably simply laugh at you. If they are anything like American police officers, they will threaten you, yell at you, get mad at you, etc.

Thank you Ultrahappy, I knew you would answer appropriately, calmly and thoughtfully including the correct research.

I just keep thinking that in the real situation of being caught with your pants down that to remember what you have advised and to actually say it to a group of uniformed law enforcement officers with your cock out stark naked with a probably hysterical girl screaming that she did nothing or she saying that you made her do the BBBJ, well, you have to be one cool personality to take all this in and say what you wrote. I cannot say I will do it in good conscience thinking carefully about what I would be feeling in such a situation.

[Jimmy Boy 99]

Snip. But this isn't the main issue for me, I'm much more concerned about the temptation for the girls to blackmail the clients. Snip.

How would she blackmail you? Unless she took a hidden video of the session on her cell phone (so make sure her phone is off or in her purse), she would have no proof and it would be her word against yours. Also, you could claim that she was trying to extort you and making it up. Of course, if she has your come in her mouth, then all bets are off, so a good reason not to do CIM when the law goes into effect.

[Sebastiane]

If you really want to scratch something, grab in your pocket and if you find 400-500 euro make a different experience in one of the Babylon mansions, including fine a la carte dining in luxury environment, elegant conversation and 30-60 min room with selected slightly more sophisticated east european slutts. Average service level same as Globe, but all extras are free, if offered.

Hi Dutedrac,

I am planning on visiting Babylon in Vienna. Is your last line 'but all extras are free, if offered' intrigues me. Are you sure about this that all extras are free if offered. If true that suddenly makes Babylon even more exciting a prospect. (If you add in extras commonly paid for in German FKKs such as CIM, NS, anal that add about 200 - 250 euros the price).

[Sebastiane]

http://www.nordbayern.de/region/nuer...icht-1.4983584

HB.

Thanks HB. This is helpful. It suggests that in practice the situation will be the same as now except I can imagine girls charging extra for BBBJ.

It is not in anyone's interest for them to tell on a customer asking for BBBJ.

[Hessen Bub]

http://www.nordbayern.de/region/nuer...icht-1.4983584

Bärbel Ahlborn: In Bayern sieht die Hygieneverordnung schon jetzt vor, dass Kondome benutzt werden. Die Verantwortung dafür liegt jedoch beim Dienstleister. Die Frauen werden dafür bestraft, wenn sie diese Ordnungswidrigkeit begehen. Das ist ein Problem. Die Nachfrage nach ungeschütztem Verkehr kommt schließlich vonseiten der Kunden. Das neue Gesetz stärkt die Frauen in dieser Hinsicht. Es sieht nämlich vor, dass die Kunden bestraft werden. Freilich bleibt die Problematik der Kontrolle nach wie vor bestehen, die Regelung verhilft den Dienstleisterinnen jedoch zu einer symbolischen Rechtsstärkung.

HB.

[Hessen Bub]

All German money free P6 forums I know are financed by FKK clubs and other P6 operators with payment either for advertising or with other invisible support.

False.

Blackmail: I don't see it coming. Girls could have blackmailed clients now, did rarely happen. But who knows, I may be wrong.

I've never had any representative of the state enter the room to check if I did BBBJ in Bavaria or Saarland. I don't see it happening in July 17. Locks are an easy option, like at World or Oase (just take the key inside and lock the door instead of letting it in the lock on the outside). I like UH's little doorblock, may come in handy.

HB.

[UltraHappy]

Of course I would never use such devices to obstruct a police investigation. I was merely using them to enhance our privacy in the room because my girls don't feel as comfortable when other patrons are always walking in on us during our sessions (for example, person walking into wrong room, etc). So, this device was simply for putting my female companion at ease. I had no idea the police were planning on an inspection then. If I had known, I would of course not have used these devices.

-transition-.

I'm certainly not familiar with German law, but Germany is a member of the Vienna Convention on Consular Notification (1963). Although they did not join the optional part about mandatory consular notification, Germany is still required under this international treaty to provide you access to your consulate and consulate officers. But you must notify the arresting officers that you are a foreign national and that you are requesting to speak to your consulate. Your consulate can recommend qualified attorneys for any predicament you might find yourself in.

When being questioned by officers, you don't have to say, "I'm not answering any questions. " Instead, you can simply say, "I am happy to cooperate and answer all of your questions. I would be happy to schedule an interview with you, me, and my consular officer at your convenience. Please let me know what times would be good for you, and I will arrange an interview with you, me, and my consular officer. ".

Of course, this won't get you very far, and the arresting officers will probably simply laugh at you. If they are anything like American police officers, they will threaten you, yell at you, get mad at you, etc. The point of answering in the latter way instead of the former however is the impression that it gives and the story that you are able to tell later. In the former case, you appear uncooperative. In the latter case, you have some appearance of wanting to be helpful. In all cases, you are always better off remaining silent. The question is what is the best way to assert your right to remain silent. I would lean towards something like the latter method because it comes off better.

Of course, how you respond to officers in such a situation is a personal decision and highly fact dependent. Once you find yourself in a situation like this, you're already in deep doo-doo. Most folks who are very experienced in law enforcement (officers and legal professionals alike) all agree though that speaking on your behalf rarely helps you and only hurts you. Finding yourself in such situations with law enforcement is quite stressful. It is hard work saying the same thing over and over while smiling, "Yes, I would be happy to cooperate and answer all of your questions. Please let me know a good time for you, me, and my consular officer to schedule an interview. ".

And sorry HB, the Vienna Convention doesn't work for you Germans in Germany. It's only available to foreign nationals who are not citizens of the country they are arrested in. Anyhow, I am sure HB will be able to use his Stammgast status to get out of these types of situations.

[Craiova]

Clubs can install door-locks, open from inside and finish. As I understand the new law right then they must install in any case an alarm button in each room, then they can also install door-locks.

But this isn't the main issue for me, I'm much more concerned about the temptation for the girls to blackmail the clients.

All German money free P6 forums I know are financed by FKK clubs and other P6 operators with payment either for advertising or with other invisible support. Therefore they all try to protect the interests of the clubs and delete posts and ban users. At some boards users are banned there faster than the flies dies.

[Neurosynth]

Other than a single comment made elsewhere is there any evidence that the police go to Bavarian FKK's and burst into the room? I've never heard of this, for example, on German language boards.

[Member #4585]

Would it be considered obstruction or maybe interference with an officer while in pursuit of their duties if you locked the door to your house on the possibility that the police might want to come in unannounced?

Regarding the second point, what I have read is that you never answer any questions in such cases. Ask if you are free to go. If they say no, ask for a lawyer to be provided.

I am not 100% sure of the answer. This is why I was asking since UH may know better. If what you say is the answer then case closed.

How I was seeing it is that generally homes come with locks to the doors. Some rooms in FKKs come with locks on the door. What Ultrahappy is covering is those rooms that do not have locks on the doors where you havr gone out of your way to block the door with the door stopper gadgets that UH provided links to.

As to what someone would do after the raid and being interviewed by police, my opinion, that you have to be a cool cucumber to remember to say nothing and ask for a lawyer while law enforcement are all around you and you have you bare cock and ass hanging out in the wind. Then you are not alone in that room. There was also a girl who you are expecting to stay silent, and to ask for a lawyer too and back up your story on what happened in the room when asked. I have seen some of these young girls in action and they never do what you expect.

[Jimmy Boy 99]

You would know better than I whether your suggested gadgets would be considered obstruction or maybe interference with an officer while in pursuit of their duties.

A bit like all the guys who are expecting to lie to law enforcement officers when questioned if they received BBBJ and expect the girl to also back up their story that no BBBJ occured during an interview. Persons of Good character?

Would it be considered obstruction or maybe interference with an officer while in pursuit of their duties if you locked the door to your house on the possibility that the police might want to come in unannounced?

Regarding the second point, what I have read is that you never answer any questions in such cases. Ask if you are free to go. If they say no, ask for a lawyer to be provided.

[Member #4585]

I would just say that she was licking my ball or she was spitting on my penis LOL.

It is all matter of proof and in order to prosecute you, police need to prove that. They take photo or something?

Are you happy to lie to law enforcement when interviewed under caution and also expect the girl you were with to back up your story that no bareback of any kind occured?

[Member #4585]

Any reason I couldn't just use this little doodad to solve this problem? https://goo.gl/RMOk4n.

Will I need to add this to my list of items I carry with me into the clubs? Seems like an easy solution for enhancing privacy in the room.

And this one comes with a built in alarm: https://goo.gl/EVcWpa.

I am sure one could imagine a variety of gadgets along these lines.

You would know better than I whether your suggested gadgets would be considered obstruction or maybe interference with an officer while in pursuit of their duties.

A bit like all the guys who are expecting to lie to law enforcement officers when questioned if they received BBBJ and expect the girl to also back up their story that no BBBJ occured during an interview. Persons of Good character?