German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Arnold15]

People are constantly bemoaning the current state of FKKs and mourning the good old days.

It seems to me we're at a standoff: The 50 E rate, which hasn't changed for a decade or so, is understandably too low to bring in fresh new girls. If it was higher, there might be more girls and prettier ones too.

On the other hand, the customer is king, and any club that okays a standard rate above 50 E is likely to see fewer customers.

But we often forget there is a third party to this marketplace: What if a club supplemented a girl's earnings? That club might wind up as king and expand the landscape too. Are club margins so tight they can't afford to give a little up to the participants?

Of course, a club can't directly pay the girls, because girls would choose that club just to get the payment, and it would violate the idea of these places as simply marketplaces, turning the club into employers and bringing added responsibilities.

So maybe a club could pay the girls a bonus for each room they occupy? But then that might turn into a new administrative headache for the clubs, tracking how many rooms each girl took.

So maybe lower the entry fees for girls? That would effectively put more money in their pockets. I wonder if any club owner has tried this. Or would that be too aggressive of a move for the scene?

Whether to lower or raise the fees for clients or the girls depends on demand and supply.

If too few (many) clients: lower (raise) the entry fees for clients.

If too few (many) girls: lower (raise) the entry fees for girls, and so on.

It is true that the price for a 1/2 hour room has not changed for more than a decade.

The main reason is that more and more girls from Romania, Moldavia, Bukgaria, etc., entered Germany and the FKK-scene in the period 2015-2019. This pressed the price for sex.

Right now, it seems to be unbalances of both girls and clients in different regions of Germany (many girls are still in Romania or have changed profession, many clients stay home or are restricted to travel).

It will be interesting to see the outcome for the number of clients and girls when the corona fog and, above all, the restrictions have settled.

[Arnold15]

In FKK Land in NRW the 3 G-rule will be enforced: incidence still will matter. But there is only a difference between below 35 or above.

Above 35- FKK land won't close anymore. https://www.mags.nrw/sites/default/f...20.08.2021.pdf.

But 3 G will be required with the following.

* Getested, will require now a PCR-TEST

* Geimpft, mean FULLY vaccinated.

* Genesen, means like before that you already had COVID-19- but not longer ago than 6 mts.

(unless a totally different corona-strain or yet another thing changes everything-- but that was always true wasnt it).

Great Information!

Do you know if these rules also apply for the Hessen-area?

For example, Frankfurt has had Inzidenz-Zahlen 35 for a week now.

[DrPoon]

The guys should rate the service level with the desk in a review card. Then at the end of the day the girls who have top level reviews for adhering to the 50 euro pricing should be given a refund of their entry fees and testing fees from the club. This way the best providers are rewarded with extra euros.

And if there are certain new or 18-21 girls, especially beautiful providers they can be given a free trial week for free entry to entice them to start working.

People are constantly bemoaning the current state of FKKs and mourning the good old days.

It seems to me we're at a standoff: The 50 E rate, which hasn't changed for a decade or so, is understandably too low to bring in fresh new girls. If it was higher, there might be more girls and prettier ones too.

On the other hand, the customer is king, and any club that okays a standard rate above 50 E is likely to see fewer customers.

But we often forget there is a third party to this marketplace: What if a club supplemented a girl's earnings? That club might wind up as king and expand the landscape too. Are club margins so tight they can't afford to give a little up to the participants?

Of course, a club can't directly pay the girls, because girls would choose that club just to get the payment, and it would violate the idea of these places as simply marketplaces, turning the club into employers and bringing added responsibilities.

[Jmioffe]

People are constantly bemoaning the current state of FKKs and mourning the good old days.

It seems to me we're at a standoff: The 50 E rate, which hasn't changed for a decade or so, is understandably too low to bring in fresh new girls. If it was higher, there might be more girls and prettier ones too.

On the other hand, the customer is king, and any club that okays a standard rate above 50 E is likely to see fewer customers.

But we often forget there is a third party to this marketplace: What if a club supplemented a girl's earnings? That club might wind up as king and expand the landscape too. Are club margins so tight they can't afford to give a little up to the participants?

Of course, a club can't directly pay the girls, because girls would choose that club just to get the payment, and it would violate the idea of these places as simply marketplaces, turning the club into employers and bringing added responsibilities.

So maybe a club could pay the girls a bonus for each room they occupy? But then that might turn into a new administrative headache for the clubs, tracking how many rooms each girl took.

So maybe lower the entry fees for girls? That would effectively put more money in their pockets. I wonder if any club owner has tried this. Or would that be too aggressive of a move for the scene?

[Chris1791]

In FKK Land in NRW the 3 G-rule will be enforced: incidence still will matter. But there is only a difference between below 35 or above.

Above 35- FKK land won't close anymore. https://www.mags.nrw/sites/default/f...20.08.2021.pdf.

But 3 G will be required with the following.

* Getested, will require now a PCR-TEST

* Geimpft, mean FULLY vaccinated.

* Genesen, means like before that you already had COVID-19- but not longer ago than 6 mts.

(unless a totally different corona-strain or yet another thing changes everything-- but that was always true wasnt it).

Can I clarify. Does this mean you can get in with vaccination pass only or do you need vaccination and PCR?

I assume vaccination pass will be adequate but I don't want to get there and get turned away!

[DrPoon]

I was doing some research on Japan. So apparently people can live in an internet cafe in Japan and sleep in a private computer room. So then after the computer / hotel then can go to the soapland in lieu of a shower and then go about a normal day without needing a hotel room.

Yes, I do AO with escorts as some of these girls are really from close to normal life when they begin when I get first get them and comparison to professional tutes, those type of few escorts girls are cleaner.

Also in Soap land in Japan, it is more or less controlled to some extent as they do AO and if there is problem, it can lead to shut down of the whole industry that is grey, though tolerated as the claim is that clients and lady who wash you in bath with soap fell in love LOL! Odd way to convince, but it is tolerated as necessary platform.

AO is men's normal demand and need, but not necessary though I am sure all of us if given a chance will go for it once in awhile. I just do not feel comfortable in low end ones as more people can afford to go comparison to expensive ones and I doubt for 50 euro price, AO clubs like that can afford to take measures that they could take for STD, nothing is 100 percent, but some measure taken is relief for mongers!

Anyways AO clubs are gone now from surface, and it is shame that there was no premium ones, I would love it if globe did other smaller FKK next to globe and called it globe AO LOL!

[DrPoon]

So the solution is to try to get covid before one leaves to Germany? Then one can avoid both the testing and vaccination requirements? And how does one prove that he had covid does he just keep a six month old positive test printout and carry that around?

In FKK Land in NRW the 3 G-rule will be enforced: incidence still will matter. But there is only a difference between below 35 or above.

Above 35- FKK land won't close anymore. https://www.mags.nrw/sites/default/f...20.08.2021.pdf.

But 3 G will be required with the following.

* Getested, will require now a PCR-TEST

* Geimpft, mean FULLY vaccinated..

[Kuni042]

In FKK Land in NRW the 3 G-rule will be enforced: incidence still will matter. But there is only a difference between below 35 or above.

Above 35- FKK land won't close anymore. https://www.mags.nrw/sites/default/f...20.08.2021.pdf.

But 3 G will be required with the following.

* Getested, will require now a PCR-TEST

* Geimpft, mean FULLY vaccinated.

* Genesen, means like before that you already had COVID-19- but not longer ago than 6 mts.

(unless a totally different corona-strain or yet another thing changes everything-- but that was always true wasnt it).

[Tvataham274]

Are their any, even if UTR, AO clubs in Frankfurt?

[Mr Ho]

Yes, I am with you on these. Doing AO in fuck clubs would not be my cup of tea, in fact it feels a bit gross. Practically speaking, AO is always available through escorts, sugarbabes, and so on; in low income countries I'd imagine much of prostitution involves AO sex; what is somewhat unique about DE is that there are dedicated AO fuck clubs at such low prices (I am not an expert on Brazil, Thailand etc. , so others can comment about AO prevalence there).

Yes, I do AO with escorts as some of these girls are really from close to normal life when they begin when I get first get them and comparison to professional tutes, those type of few escorts girls are cleaner.

Also in Soap land in Japan, it is more or less controlled to some extent as they do AO and if there is problem, it can lead to shut down of the whole industry that is grey, though tolerated as the claim is that clients and lady who wash you in bath with soap fell in love LOL! Odd way to convince, but it is tolerated as necessary platform.

AO is men's normal demand and need, but not necessary though I am sure all of us if given a chance will go for it once in awhile. I just do not feel comfortable in low end ones as more people can afford to go comparison to expensive ones and I doubt for 50 euro price, AO clubs like that can afford to take measures that they could take for STD, nothing is 100 percent, but some measure taken is relief for mongers!

Anyways AO clubs are gone now from surface, and it is shame that there was no premium ones, I would love it if globe did other smaller FKK next to globe and called it globe AO LOL!

[Pessimist]

I meant that from the standpoint of monger who is willing to pay for premium AO club with proper management as possible on std if it existed and feeling sad about how there was lack of producer side who made such premium AO clubs.

Like with FKK, I am willing to pay extra for premium service for lineup that is only focused on stunner with no tattoo and surgeries. This arguably exit, but arguably, there are clubs where you pay more but in exchange you get the supposed to be stunner only line up that are less tattoo and surgeries which is no longer true for globe LOL! But the concept is still there and Ingo is trying? LOL! But hey service is there, there you pay, you get all the way, the girls are into you so much that feels like honeymoon! What I am saying is that I like the concept, but nobody even tried that concept for AO, only I hear Babylon Vienna and salzberg there is an option for AO if you pay, I never been there though! I know it is really expensive!

Like here, I paid a lot of money for premium girls before, highest was 1500 USD about for 70 minutes in Yen for Maria Ozawa in her prime back in year 2008, and other times for other Eurasian I pay about 450 to 550 including hotel for 2 hours, so it is higher than FKK rates or other rates, but I am willing to pay for stunner level girls and good service.

I wish there was an AO clubs like that and as for controlling of STD, there is limitation no matter how much clubs try, but when you walk outside, you may get hit by a car or when we take plane, it might crush, but risks are not as much as media or some of us horrify it.

Yes, I am with you on these. Doing AO in fuck clubs would not be my cup of tea, in fact it feels a bit gross. Practically speaking, AO is always available through escorts, sugarbabes, and so on; in low income countries I'd imagine much of prostitution involves AO sex; what is somewhat unique about DE is that there are dedicated AO fuck clubs at such low prices (I am not an expert on Brazil, Thailand etc. , so others can comment about AO prevalence there).

[Mr Ho]

I think the German government should fund the tests and then tax the providers to recoup the test payments but still keep the AO rates at 50 euros or maybe tax the Russian pipeline with tariffs to pay for all the AO testing needed in the bareback clubs. Or a grant from the Bill G HIV foundation maybe.

I understand low end clubs exist, it is same for brothels! But premium AO clubs would have been the mongers dream place if it existed. Yes, frequent tests are only way to alleviate from std, but risk is always there, what I am saying is that it can be controlled risk if tests are done regularly like every week or every 3rd day or so.

[Mr Ho]

I agreed with you previously but don't necessarily agreed with the "they made it" part. Obviously, rules related to allowing AO clubs can't be based on price structure; I. E. , allowing high end high priced AO clubs but disallowing low end, 50 Euro AO clubs, would be illegal, not to mention it sounds elitist and arrogant. I prefer the AO part was somewhat exclusive, perhaps that is the elitist in me talking. But the granting of the licensing alone can't be based on it. Perhaps if they had made the price so high for an AO license, the club would naturally become expensive and exclusive to the high end (to recoup the license fee).

That said, I don't even know if there was a separate license to be an AO club. Why were certain clubs AO and not others? Was it just their branding? Or was it a legal structure too? I do not know. But in any case, now it is moot.

I think the fact that 50 E AO clubs existed tells me that there are a sufficient number of mongers and also girls to make that market a possibility. Of course, the fact that a low end club became AO in no way precludes a high end club to exist as AO; obviously, several high end escorts do provide AO. With the rule change, even BBBJ is as illegal as AO fuck, but of course people make a distinction as you said, that BBBJ was a casualty of a rule change aimed at AO.

I meant that from the standpoint of monger who is willing to pay for premium AO club with proper management as possible on std if it existed and feeling sad about how there was lack of producer side who made such premium AO clubs.

Like with FKK, I am willing to pay extra for premium service for lineup that is only focused on stunner with no tattoo and surgeries. This arguably exit, but arguably, there are clubs where you pay more but in exchange you get the supposed to be stunner only line up that are less tattoo and surgeries which is no longer true for globe LOL! But the concept is still there and Ingo is trying? LOL! But hey service is there, there you pay, you get all the way, the girls are into you so much that feels like honeymoon! What I am saying is that I like the concept, but nobody even tried that concept for AO, only I hear Babylon Vienna and salzberg there is an option for AO if you pay, I never been there though! I know it is really expensive!

Like here, I paid a lot of money for premium girls before, highest was 1500 USD about for 70 minutes in Yen for Maria Ozawa in her prime back in year 2008, and other times for other Eurasian I pay about 450 to 550 including hotel for 2 hours, so it is higher than FKK rates or other rates, but I am willing to pay for stunner level girls and good service.

I wish there was an AO clubs like that and as for controlling of STD, there is limitation no matter how much clubs try, but when you walk outside, you may get hit by a car or when we take plane, it might crush, but risks are not as much as media or some of us horrify it.

[UssbTravel]

Can anyone suggest the best price to value hotel room outcall escort city in Europe? The FKK landscape is quit bad right now. I'm looking forward to your advices. Thanks in advanced.

[Sirioja]

I agreed with you previously but don't necessarily agreed with the "they made it" part. Obviously, rules related to allowing AO clubs can't be based on price structure; I. E. , allowing high end high priced AO clubs but disallowing low end, 50 Euro AO clubs, would be illegal, not to mention it sounds elitist and arrogant. I prefer the AO part was somewhat exclusive, perhaps that is the elitist in me talking. But the granting of the licensing alone can't be based on it. Perhaps if they had made the price so high for an AO license, the club would naturally become expensive and exclusive to the high end (to recoup the license fee).

That said, I don't even know if there was a separate license to be an AO club. Why were certain clubs AO and not others? Was it just their branding? Or was it a legal structure too? I do not know. But in any case, now it is moot.

I think the fact that 50 E AO clubs existed tells me that there are a sufficient number of mongers and also girls to make that market a possibility. Of course, the fact that a low end club became AO in no way precludes a high end club to exist as AO; obviously, several high end escorts do provide AO. With the rule change, even BBBJ is as illegal as AO fuck, but of course people make a distinction as you said, that BBBJ was a casualty of a rule change aimed at AO.

According to new on 2017 German law, AO clubs are forbidden, reason why they write on wall: sex with condom, in pocket, to keep pocket safe, but give bad to German wives when returning home, when AO WGs can be fucked by more than 10 guys per day. More risky than covid in AO RTC which don't respect law.