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[Mr Ho]

Not all mongers agree on who is a stunner. Out of all the popular stunners mention on this forum, I only found 4 girls I agree with the consensus. Maybe a couple more I'm not remembering but not much.

It is widely accepted that I have the best of best supreme of supreme taste on this planet or even galaxy LOL!

No, just kidding, but my taste is pretty much vogue or any legit fashion magazine to most beautiful girl in college type!

However, I have seen mongers ignoring those stunners above and going for older more fat tattoo silicone women in FKK LOL! Tastes and preferences are strange thing!

[AznHotBoy]

On the other hand I wonder what's in it for the stunners?

Not all mongers agree on who is a stunner. Out of all the popular stunners mention on this forum, I only found 4 girls I agree with the consensus. Maybe a couple more I'm not remembering but not much.

[Mr Ho]

It's not crazy. It's perfect because I don't have to haggle.

On the other hand I wonder what's in it for the stunners? I guess they will be more in demand due to this but why wouldn't they limit their availability if they can get the best customers? The business model benefits those girls that best can sell an illusion to customers and earn money through longer blocks.

I agree, that is what I meant by crazy, for stunner, I asked before why not they just focus on escort, they told me they are more free in FKK and can choose clients and also they told me that they often make more money at FKK apparently and they also do escort on the side and often they do private escort with regular that they met in FKK!

But FKK is only place I know ugly and beauty cost the same LOL! Woman equality is in FKK! Tell this to feminist LOL It does not get equal than this as I really do discriminate ugly girls LOL!

[Ararat]

Crazy thing about FKK is that ugly girls cost you same as amazingly stunner level beautiful girls LOL!

It's not crazy. It's perfect because I don't have to haggle.

On the other hand I wonder what's in it for the stunners? I guess they will be more in demand due to this but why wouldn't they limit their availability if they can get the best customers? The business model benefits those girls that best can sell an illusion to customers and earn money through longer blocks.

[Mr Ho]

Yea it's hard to pay $600 for just 1 girl, when you can find deals to fly to Germany from NYC for $650 round trip. If I book any 2 FKK girls for 1 hour each, I already break even with hotel and flight included LOL!

Crazy thing about FKK is that ugly girls cost you same as amazingly stunner level beautiful girls LOL!

[Mr Ho]

When I am on the road with my one week or once 10 to 14 days consecutive FKK trip. I always felt this sense of freedom that I really liked, wake up, eat hotel breakfast or go to near cafe to eat nice breakfast with good cappuccino thinking about what amazing sex I had with new stunner night before and think about what kind of stunner I am about to meet and fuck today. Walk around, eating good lunch somewhere nice in town, make my way to FKK via train looking through the scenery outside my train window! If summer enjoying smell of German grass as some FKK are in outskirt of the city! Whatta good days and good life I had as a monger!

If I did not make a good decision of turning into monger, I would have never had such an amazing freedom feeling experience!

Sex is amazing in FKK, but I also enjoyed other part of the trip too!

[AznHotBoy]

Sounds like a nice plan. NYC here as well, born and raised and made a TON of paper gains on mostly TSLA as well. I'm curious as to your dream / retire plans? Maybe PM me if it's better for you.

No plans yet. Need current growth to continue for another year or 2 for me to feel confident to retire on just high yield dividends. Probably will do a world tour first for all the high profile mongering areas like Colombia and Thailand. Then maybe look around eastern EU countries (maybe even Russia) see what the pro scene is like.

I'll need to see how much money I saved up by the end of the lockdown to hammer out some plans. At this rate, the longer the lockdown the better for me at the moment!

[NoTaWorry]

That's why for me I rather rent (before covid) and spend my money on FKK experiences. This last year has been my single best year for accumulating wealth, hopefully in a year or 2 I can retire in Germany or somewhere in Eastern Europe!

Sounds like a nice plan. NYC here as well, born and raised and made a TON of paper gains on mostly TSLA as well. I'm curious as to your dream / retire plans? Maybe PM me if it's better for you.

[Turgid]

I disagree about the politicians. They zoned out the efficiencies of a fixed location where multiple ladies saw multiple guys. One of the practical costs to escorting is the fact an outcall escort has a lot of travel time, and incall escorts have to be damn careful to not get too much foot traffic. They will rightfully get on the ass of a customer, too. Like, dude, don't stand in front of the building door for 10 minutes waiting for me to answer and buzz you in. Neighbors notice that shit. Learn how to be cool and hang back. But in fairness to escorts, they have to find a way to charge for that inefficient time.

But there are real economic issues at play in the USA I think there are fewer young, female immigrants today. That really hot Ukrainian was $300-$350 ten to fifteen years ago. She would be $550-$600 today. But she might not now be in NYC at all.

There was a full-service massage parlor right by the Hilton in San Francisco over 20 years ago, that is another example of the government forcing the visible sex industry out of existence. People used to just call it the Hilton Massage Place. It had a ton of young Asian ladies who sat in the lobby in hot undies, who worked for very reasonable prices compared to today's escort prices. I am just not sure if there are as many Asian immigrants as there once was, either in NYC or SF. I don't think the USA Lets as many in, and I don't think the USA Has as much appeal to them.

In addition to fewer immigrants, there may not be as many 18-29 year old native-born hotties in the USA As there was decades ago. The aging and fattening of America has an effect. And in fairness, there may be more opportunities outside of the commercial sex industry for young women than there once was. And the increased economic inequality may be allowing the most privileged to take up more of the supply in this environment where the meetings are now primarily initiated online.

And international travel is in fact a door that has opened as a result of the closing of doors in the USA Instead of paying $550-$600 for what was $250-$350 a couple of decades ago, many northeast guys take the well-travelled road to Montreal where on a currency-adjusted basis, top-notch experiences are available for $200-$300, or certainly take flights to Europe. Hopefully that door opens again, and stays open. But your older co-workers can tell you that flying to Europe used to be damn expensive back in the days when USA Commercial sex was cheap. You can't take anything for granted, because change is certain and the only thing that is constant is change.

With the vicissitudes of salaries for ordinary workers today the prices for p4p in the US has not budged downwards. During this pandemic period the best that has happened is that the charges by escorts remain the same. If a pandemic cannot bring down the costs of our favorite hobby nothing will.

[Mr Ho]

Didn't know so many New Yorkers in here LOL! Yea I'm too young for the good old days. From the stories I hear from my older co-workers, I missed out on a lot. But all prices are inflated these day anyways. Even if the scene is more alive, I'd still rather hop on a plane to Germany than paying these US prices.

Even "Wall Street Pay" has not kept up with inflation. The average bank employee back even in the 90's got steak and pussy for their lunch break. These days we all sit at our desks like good little workers and enjoy the free company lunch.

The scene in NYC would've naturally died out even without Giuliani or Bloomberg. The Fed keeps on printing, the girls increase prices, and customers gradually priced out.

FKK is better!

[AznHotBoy]

But there are real economic issues at play in the USA I think there are fewer young, female immigrants today. That really hot Ukrainian was $300-$350 ten to fifteen years ago. She would be $550-$600 today. But she might not now be in NYC at all.

Yea it's hard to pay $600 for just 1 girl, when you can find deals to fly to Germany from NYC for $650 round trip. If I book any 2 FKK girls for 1 hour each, I already break even with hotel and flight included LOL!

[Mongerer88]

Didn't know so many New Yorkers in here LOL! Yea I'm too young for the good old days. From the stories I hear from my older co-workers, I missed out on a lot. But all prices are inflated these day anyways. Even if the scene is more alive, I'd still rather hop on a plane to Germany than paying these US prices.

Even "Wall Street Pay" has not kept up with inflation. The average bank employee back even in the 90's got steak and pussy for their lunch break. These days we all sit at our desks like good little workers and enjoy the free company lunch.

The scene in NYC would've naturally died out even without Giuliani or Bloomberg. The Fed keeps on printing, the girls increase prices, and customers gradually priced out.

I disagree about the politicians. They zoned out the efficiencies of a fixed location where multiple ladies saw multiple guys. One of the practical costs to escorting is the fact an outcall escort has a lot of travel time, and incall escorts have to be damn careful to not get too much foot traffic. They will rightfully get on the ass of a customer, too. Like, dude, don't stand in front of the building door for 10 minutes waiting for me to answer and buzz you in. Neighbors notice that shit. Learn how to be cool and hang back. But in fairness to escorts, they have to find a way to charge for that inefficient time.

But there are real economic issues at play in the USA I think there are fewer young, female immigrants today. That really hot Ukrainian was $300-$350 ten to fifteen years ago. She would be $550-$600 today. But she might not now be in NYC at all.

There was a full-service massage parlor right by the Hilton in San Francisco over 20 years ago, that is another example of the government forcing the visible sex industry out of existence. People used to just call it the Hilton Massage Place. It had a ton of young Asian ladies who sat in the lobby in hot undies, who worked for very reasonable prices compared to today's escort prices. I am just not sure if there are as many Asian immigrants as there once was, either in NYC or SF. I don't think the USA Lets as many in, and I don't think the USA Has as much appeal to them.

In addition to fewer immigrants, there may not be as many 18-29 year old native-born hotties in the USA As there was decades ago. The aging and fattening of America has an effect. And in fairness, there may be more opportunities outside of the commercial sex industry for young women than there once was. And the increased economic inequality may be allowing the most privileged to take up more of the supply in this environment where the meetings are now primarily initiated online.

And international travel is in fact a door that has opened as a result of the closing of doors in the USA Instead of paying $550-$600 for what was $250-$350 a couple of decades ago, many northeast guys take the well-travelled road to Montreal where on a currency-adjusted basis, top-notch experiences are available for $200-$300, or certainly take flights to Europe. Hopefully that door opens again, and stays open. But your older co-workers can tell you that flying to Europe used to be damn expensive back in the days when USA Commercial sex was cheap. You can't take anything for granted, because change is certain and the only thing that is constant is change.

[AznHotBoy]

The difference between the NYC scene then and now is money. Back in the day a twenty-something year old (which I was) could have a lot of fun. Now in order to get the same enjoyment you must have deep pockets. I feel sorry for the average guys in their 20's and 30's who share our tastes, they must be relegated to pornhub. The sugar baby scene is not for me, too expensive and time consuming. I partake in the escort arena. The girls are not as nice as FKK babes but doable.

Exactly! My parents had a combine dual income in the 80's to about 40% what I make alone today, and they were able to buy 3 houses and an apartment in good areas. Even if I watched only Pornhub and not spend a single dollar on FKK pussy, I could not even afford the rental apartment my parents bought in NYC in 1997.

That's why for me I rather rent (before covid) and spend my money on FKK experiences. This last year has been my single best year for accumulating wealth, hopefully in a year or 2 I can retire in Germany or somewhere in Eastern Europe!

[Turgid]

The old days were fun, but we can't control the changes that Giuliani and Bloomberg brought, and thanks to the Internet, the old proverb that when one door closes, another one opens, holds true.

I was at the old Kinematics BDSM video / toy superstore once, and very pretty girl came up to me when I was selecting videos (this was before everything on video was available on the Internet) and she introduced herself as a spanking video performer who was there for a signing and asked if I could hang out through lunch because she was taking live spankings from anyone there for a "small" fee. Cute girl, and lots of fun.

That place is closed now. I didn't know, and I was walking through the construction site with a horrified look on my face and one of the construction guys had to come and tell me the all the previous occupants were gone and it was being rezoned. It survived the "purification" of the Times Square area longer than most. I think it was on 37th Street.

Another great memory was a little brothel on Water Street. It had curtains to keep the customers from seeing each other in the lobby and hallway to the two or three bedrooms. It was right off of Wall Street. I had an appointment with a highly-reviewed Ukrainian lady, but she was running late, and in-session. I told them I would wait. I ended up watching TV in the lobby with a chunky Puerto Rican lady who was trying to get me to do the session with her. Thank God I waited because the Ukrainian lady was a dream come true. She had just started college and was beautiful and a great fuck.

But now that the scene has shifted online, a new world exists. You can exchange twitter DMs and emails / texts with a lot of potential ladies. I twitter DM'ed a lady who was a follower of another lady I had done many sessions with. I loved this lady's pics on twitter, and even though she only appeared to do video stuff, I was able to get a live session with her, and it was fantastic. The reference was easy since she was friends with someone I had previously seen. And in the correspondence phase, I had lots of fun conversations with her, and she sent me some great pictures.

And without question, the Sugar Baby scene brings a guy into contact with a multitude of women he would never have otherwise met. The "scene" in NYC has changed drastically over the decades, but it still exists. I know the FKK thread is obviously filled with guys who prefer a club atmosphere, and I am not trying to argue that anything else is more fun, but as I have said many times, one advantage to the escort and Sugar scene is that Giuliani, Bloomberg, and the Coronavirus can't shut it down as easily. Not sure which one is worse, by the way, Giuliani, Bloomberg, or the Corona Virus. None of the three are friends to the commercial sex industry.

The difference between the NYC scene then and now is money. Back in the day a twenty-something year old (which I was) could have a lot of fun. Now in order to get the same enjoyment you must have deep pockets. I feel sorry for the average guys in their 20's and 30's who share our tastes, they must be relegated to pornhub. The sugar baby scene is not for me, too expensive and time consuming. I partake in the escort arena. The girls are not as nice as FKK babes but doable.

[AznHotBoy]

The old days were fun, but we can't control the changes that Giuliani and Bloomberg brought, and thanks to the Internet, the old proverb that when one door closes, another one opens, holds true.

Didn't know so many New Yorkers in here LOL! Yea I'm too young for the good old days. From the stories I hear from my older co-workers, I missed out on a lot. But all prices are inflated these day anyways. Even if the scene is more alive, I'd still rather hop on a plane to Germany than paying these US prices.

Even "Wall Street Pay" has not kept up with inflation. The average bank employee back even in the 90's got steak and pussy for their lunch break. These days we all sit at our desks like good little workers and enjoy the free company lunch.

The scene in NYC would've naturally died out even without Giuliani or Bloomberg. The Fed keeps on printing, the girls increase prices, and customers gradually priced out.