German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[McAdonis]

The airline industry has taken a massive hit and post covid will continue to suffer. Businesses have shifted away from person to person meetings to online meetings via Zoom, etc. In such an environment airlines cannot increase their prices, they may have to maintain their fares or even reduce. Competition will see to that. Same for hotels. The leisure and entertainment industries (except Pornhub, Netflix and the like) will suffer the most post covid. Major changes are coming.

Many airlines had dirt cheap airfares in summer prior to the second peak. It seems they are experimenting with pricing at the opposite end. In #18605, the link I provided is from December 30th. It states that for March 2021 departures, business class is currently 70 percent higher, and economy class is 18 percent higher. Even the author seems baffled by their current pricing, noting that in the fall, there was a 20 percent decrease in demand for business class:

"So for now, the airlines have raised their 2021 prices to make up for the lack of demand. But if demand stays low, expect them to fall."

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/winter-aviation-covid-airlines/index.html..

Like WGs, airlines can be extremely irrational with their pricing and at other times extremely calculated. If you read sites like thepointsguy, the airlines base everything on algorithms and categorize each seat accordingly. Even if they have five empty business class seats six hours before take off, the airline may only offer upgrades to three people. And each of those will be charged for that upgrade differently based on their status. The airline deliberately leaves one or two business class seats empty on the off chance that some last minute bookings come in. Algorithms probably tell them that their is a 10 percent chance that they could make $7000 profit on a last minute booking and a 90 percent chance that seat goes empty and they make $0. The airlines are fine rolling the dice.

A Sharks WG might run those same calculations in her head at 03:00 during a busy Messe weekend. There may be a recognizable face, and she knows that he usually does 50 EUR rooms. She may refuse that cheap charlie, and just smoke with her friends, absolutely fine with making zero EUR those last two hours of her shift. Because she knows there is a 10 percent that some fresh-meat, clueless business traveller arrives last minute, who she can more easily overcharge. Isn't that what airlines do? Take advantage of the desperate? If you were on day five of an eight day trip and had to take the first flight back home due to a family emergency, you think the airline would give you a discount? (assuming you had no status).

That said, some WGs, who are currently working out of hotels, are adopting other "airline strategies". These WGs are overbooking themselves with the knowledge that a small percentage will no show. If both clients actually show up resulting in an overlap, she will make one of them wait in his car. Again she's doing mental calculations. If she knows the monger drove one hour to the booking and he is not a married guy who has to rush back home to the wife, then she can probably get away with making him wait 30-60 minutes.

[Mongerer88]

I don't think you folks are focusing enough on the role of discount airlines in creating price havoc the last few years.

Their existence created overcapacity on many international routes and the big carriers price matched to an extent.

The lower prices also gave incentive for the big airlines to make a lot of seats available for award mileage redemption, including coveted business class seats, on USA To Europe routes. And incidentally the gap in comfort / service between business class has widened over the years. The experience of a lie-flat business class seat is phenomenal versus the recliner type business seat of years ago. Similarly, airlines once had international seat configurations in coach class decades ago that gave more legroom than domestic seat configurations, but that is no longer the case.

Many discounters have gone out of business during Covid and won't come back. With a lack of pricing competition from low-cost carriers, the major airlines may not offer competitive international fares for years to come. And they also won't offer many business class seats at the lowest award redemption levels. And many Americans have been accumulating frequent flier miles the past year via credit card sign-ups and spending, but have not been redeeming those miles. So their will be natural inflation that occurs when the miles build up, but seat availability does not.

And while governments may offer subsidies to encourage travel, I think it will be geared toward hotels and restaurants. Why would the USA Subsidize international air travel for Americans? They would rather Americans travel to the Grand Canyon instead of Europe. If my hypothesis is correct, local Europeans will be glad that Americans who primarily purchase commercial sex overseas will not arrive en masse with the money they have been saving, and drive up European prices. But I am skeptical that we will see easy availability in terms of affordable travel, especially in business class, from the USA To Europe in the near future.

The wild card is if the USA Is able to vaccinate its population sooner than most of Europe, and travel is opened to the vaccinated, prior to most everyone being vaccinated. Their will be a sweet spot where there are more airline seats available than travelers eligible to travel. That could create favorable short-term pricing consequences.

[ExpatLover]

The airline industry has taken a massive hit and post covid will continue to suffer. Businesses have shifted away from person to person meetings to online meetings via Zoom, etc. In such an environment airlines cannot increase their prices, they may have to maintain their fares or even reduce. Competition will see to that. Same for hotels. The leisure and entertainment industries (except Pornhub, Netflix and the like) will suffer the most post covid. Major changes are coming.

You are probably right, the question when will it be post covid, it looks like that more and more there are doubts about the vaccine efficiency specially against the Brazil or south African variants, Manaus had also reached a herd immunity of 70% and now is again hardly hit with the new variant, not really encouraging, even Pfister is speaking today about a new shot which will be needed to better protect the people. In Europe the situation is getting worse and worse and probably France will go for the 3rd lockdown Thursday. I am afraid that we will have to live many years with that covid and the different variants and that there will not be a unique remedy like for the normal flue which we were able to put under control.

[AznHotBoy]

Secondly, for the Devil's threesome, I think it would be beneficial to ensure somewhat similar member "size". The relationship with your friend may never be the same after simultaneously banging a girl but the friend is either super small or ridiculously big, LOL.

I don't know about you but I didn't have the luxury to pick my friends based on penis size. If it turned out my best friend had a 12 inch dick, I would high-five him and tell him at least god blessed the right man LOL!

The friend I brought was a very different man than me, in every way possible. Sure his penis was a bit bigger but he was also a lot taller and older than me. He's about 6'2 and I'm 5'9, and at the time I was still in my 20's and he was already half way through his 40's. He has 2 kids, recently divorced, only had sex with 2 girls his entire life (by the end of our trip it was a round 20), and extremely depressed at the time.

When we first landed in Germany he was a bit nervous to go to the club, typical middle aged American man scared of pussy. Then when we got inside he was too nervous to talk to any girls and followed me very closely. I was jokingly telling him it looked like he was going to go to room with me if I find a girl I liked. He was surprisingly very open to that idea. Then I found my reliable "super star" and talked her into taking the both of us. Once we got into the room, I told her to work on my friend first. She started sucking him and about a minute or 2 he busted a nut in her mouth, without even asking or telling her. LOL! I was laughing my ass off and it also got me really excited. Watching her take a fat load in the mouth from an old man that probably didn't cum for months if not years was something to be experienced. Her facial expressions, the noises she makes, and her continued effort to suck out the last drop. These are sights that I usually miss because I'm too busy cumming a fat load myself. But having someone else doing the cumming allows me to savor these facial and body expressions from a 3rd person perspective that was impossible before.

It was at that moment, I realized I've reached a different level on my FKK journey LOL!

[Turgid]

For sure, business travel is a (the) backbone of airline travel for all of the reasons that you stated and airlines will take a hit no matter what. No doubt that without government intervention, the retraction of business travel culture will lead to leisure travelers eating some of the loss of profit in the form of higher ticket higher prices.

I'm just offering some hope of optimism in that the mere loss in business class sales by actual business travelers may not be what actually leads to the direct loss in airline profit margins. The bulk of business travelers are still flying economy but are superficially making it appear as if all of the business class seats were actually purchased in hard cash, as in direct profits. Point is, a bigger loss might actually come from the lack of daily economy class business travelers, and perhaps like you said, last minute economy class business travelers paying bloated economy ticket prices.

One would think that senior management travel currently travel less than the young consultant and middle level company lieutenants, leaving the latter to handle the weekly logistics and stress of company operations. The former are probably the ones that always travel business class or higher while the young, weekly travelers are relegated to those economy class tickets. Perhaps the former's travel habits will be less affected in the post pandemic world and actual business class sales do not suffer as much of a direct loss as it would suggest on the surface.

My other optimistic hold out. I've always felt that business class tickets are extremely artificially bloated due to careless company spending. With smaller amounts of business travelers filling up the first class seats, perhaps the market will dictate that business class tickets come down to a reasonable price practical to the upper middle class. At current prices, there is no way I'm willing to spend a few months of home mortgage on one intercontinental plane ticket.

The airline industry has taken a massive hit and post covid will continue to suffer. Businesses have shifted away from person to person meetings to online meetings via Zoom, etc. In such an environment airlines cannot increase their prices, they may have to maintain their fares or even reduce. Competition will see to that. Same for hotels. The leisure and entertainment industries (except Pornhub, Netflix and the like) will suffer the most post covid. Major changes are coming.

[Mr Ho]

One of the greatest feeling is when I put my dick in her mouth, it gives me this high recharging feeling like I plug in my penis into her mouth to recharge my soul LOL!

Next time at the German passport control, when officer ask me the purpose of my visit, I will just say "I came half the way around the world to put it in her mouth to recharge my soul" LOL!

[BigBuddy69]

If it change what do you think will change? More or less girls? Better services? Change prices?

It's difficult to tell, it also depends of the number of clubs closing for good.

But more important, it also depends of the attitude of the guys.

For example, I related before the story of the German girl Olivia in GT who first asked for 100 euros / hour but took 75 euros without problems when I reminded her it was the club price.

But you can see that this dude was upsold by the same girl despite being a regular, only because he didn't dare to remind her the rules.

So when the clubs will reopen, if all the customers are so desperate to have sex that they'll accept every conditions, yes the prices will increase. You just need to have some balls and to be ready to say 'no'.

[Mr Ho]

I'm with you on the flights. Once you've experienced first and business class travel it's really, really hard to go back to economy / coach. At this point in my life, when it comes to leisure travel by air, I will be sticking with at least premium class seats. Economy / coach or "cattle cabin" class is simply too uncomfortable. No more landing with a sore neck! As for hotel rooms, I tend to stick with 3-star to 4-star hotels. You can find some of those near the hauptbanhofs in the big cities, which is where I prefer to stay in Germany since I take the train a lot, and it's easy to find a taxi too if you need one. Although, I have Uber and Lyft, and will be seeking to utilize those services more often.

As a monger, I calculate everything in life based on FKK price, if I pay 50 euro somewhere, for me it is a fuck for 30 min, and 25 euro on top of that is cum in mouth in GT, and 50 euro on top of that is cum in mouth in other FKK, and 100 euro on top of that is anal sex LOL! Business class cost about bit more than double the price of economy, that is two full day at FKK for me with 3 to 4 sessions of one hour each LOL!

I have done business class trip with FKK trip, but there was always me during flight and front of expedia before the purchase, doing all these what I could have done in FKK if I fly economy match LOL! The life of monger for over 23 years LOL!

[The Cane]

Very fair point. Your point in life must factor into assessing the value of the luxury ticket. For anyone who is nearing retirement and have everything already set to fund the golden years, why not splurge and enjoy life as much as possible?

But for people in the their prime earning years, I see the current prices of luxury tickets having too great an opportunity cost. A $4000 ticket now at this point in my life is worth $12-20 K by the time I reach average retirement age. That's $4000 gone in 8 hours that will cost me 3-5 x that 20-25 years from now.

That being said, I can't wait for the life occasion that warrants the purchase of a transpacific first class ticket with a flat bed in a semi-private cubicle.

Better yet, one of these Premium Emirates Suites:

https://thepointsguy.com/2017/12/emi...-suite-review/

Absolutely! An Emirates "sky apartment" is the ultimate in commercial air travel luxury.

[Mr Ho]

Very much the same for me at the beginning of my FKK journey. Wasn't shy or curious for any public action, even thought it was a bit weird.

That all changed in 2018, when I brought a good friend with me to FKK land and we double teamed a FKK "superstar" LOL!

It was quite the life changing experience I would say. First thing and most important thing, it totally broke the illusion I had with the girl. Seeing her being used like a piece of fuck meat in person is definitely a refreshing perspective I greatly needed LOL! Seeing her sucked my friend the exact way she sucked me made me realize she just was really good at her job and it was just a job at the end of the day. Secondly, it made my friendship with my friend a lot better. We had a unique friend experience that many men don't share and it was definitely worth it just to have a deep friendship! Lastly, it brought me pleasure to be to public with my actions, not something I actively seek but there is a level of satisfaction I have now knowing others are watching us fuck.

In fact, my last FKK action of 2020 was public during GT's Chinese New Years party where all the rooms were full. The girl I was with really got into it when she realized I was really into it. We did it in the cinema room and it was packed, but people gave us room for what we needed to do.

They say, you sit in barber long enough, you will eventually get a hair cut, so if I stay in FKK long enough, I may get to next level hentai LOL! I am getting to that promise land LOL!

[Mr Ho]

I fucked Marketa in the ass in one of those little rooms with the crack in the curtains LOL!

I put my face between Marketa's ass crack, but I did not put my face between that crack in the curtains LOL!

She was great and is missed, last Czech girl I fucked actually!

[Carpaccio18]

After the pandemic, whenever this finish, how do you imagine the FKK scene will be?

Will its change from before corona or it stay the same?

If it change what do you think will change? More or less girls? Better services? Change prices?

I know its hard to tell for sure. But just wondering.

I think not much will change. Maybe more girls (hopefully) which will lead to more competition between girls and better services overall.

I guess lots of girls will have returned home or left the business altogether during this. Hopefully this can shake up some of the RO mobs that's been in some of the clubs, giving terrible services and doing aggressive upselling. Or been around for way too long.

One could also hope for some more diversity of the girls, hopefully seeing some fresh new and hopefully beautiful girls, russians, ukranian and the like. One can only hope.

[Carpaccio18]

Very much the same for me at the beginning of my FKK journey. Wasn't shy or curious for any public action, even thought it was a bit weird.

That all changed in 2018, when I brought a good friend with me to FKK land and we double teamed a FKK "superstar" LOL!

It was quite the life changing experience I would say. First thing and most important thing, it totally broke the illusion I had with the girl. Seeing her being used like a piece of fuck meat in person is definitely a refreshing perspective I greatly needed LOL! Seeing her sucked my friend the exact way she sucked me made me realize she just was really good at her job and it was just a job at the end of the day. Secondly, it made my friendship with my friend a lot better. We had a unique friend experience that many men don't share and it was definitely worth it just to have a deep friendship! Lastly, it brought me pleasure to be to public with my actions, not something I actively seek but there is a level of satisfaction I have now knowing others are watching us fuck.

In fact, my last FKK action of 2020 was public during GT's Chinese New Years party where all the rooms were full. The girl I was with really got into it when she realized I was really into it. We did it in the cinema room and it was packed, but people gave us room for what we needed to do.

Been there myself, one time the evening somehow ended up with my friend and I in a jacuzzi room with a load of girls doing a crazy party night, fucking every girl in the room whenever we felt like it. Half the girls being refreshed on an hourly basis. Epic night. Major pain to the credit card.

On another night we would be getting simultanous BJs in the Cinema while cracking jokes and having fun. Girls seemed to enjoy the upbeat spirit of the whole thing, and having fun too. The BBBJ ban killed that game though.

Noticed you get less upselling and clock watching when doing action in Cinemas.

[Mursenary]

Very much the same for me at the beginning of my FKK journey. Wasn't shy or curious for any public action, even thought it was a bit weird.

That all changed in 2018, when I brought a good friend with me to FKK land and we double teamed a FKK "superstar" LOL!

It was quite the life changing experience I would say. First thing and most important thing, it totally broke the illusion I had with the girl. Seeing her being used like a piece of fuck meat in person is definitely a refreshing perspective I greatly needed LOL! Seeing her sucked my friend the exact way she sucked me made me realize she just was really good at her job and it was just a job at the end of the day. Secondly, it made my friendship with my friend a lot better. We had a unique friend experience that many men don't share and it was definitely worth it just to have a deep friendship! Lastly, it brought me pleasure to be to public with my actions, not something I actively seek but there is a level of satisfaction I have now knowing others are watching us fuck.

Of all my perverted sexual experiences, I've yet to try the Devil's threesome (Double horns: 2 guys, one girl.) Honestly, not too interested in that as the 2 guys one girl energy is a little off-putting to me. However, I may just do it to enact the Eiffel Tower (Both guys standing, one guy doing a girl doggy style, other one is receiving a standing blowjob, then the two guys High Five forming the Eiffel Tower!)

Secondly, for the Devil's threesome, I think it would be beneficial to ensure somewhat similar member "size". The relationship with your friend may never be the same after simultaneously banging a girl but the friend is either super small or ridiculously big, LOL.

Something I have done done in college but somehow never in a brothel was a 2 v2 bang session. I need to reenact that in a room with a mirror because banging 2 girls doggie style side by side with a buddy while looking at the girls' faces in the mirror as they're both being banged from behind in a must-do, bucket list experience.

[Mursenary]

I'm with you on the flights. Once you've experienced first and business class travel it's really, really hard to go back to economy / coach. At this point in my life, when it comes to leisure travel by air, I will be sticking with at least premium class seats.

Very fair point. Your point in life must factor into assessing the value of the luxury ticket. For anyone who is nearing retirement and have everything already set to fund the golden years, why not splurge and enjoy life as much as possible?

But for people in the their prime earning years, I see the current prices of luxury tickets having too great an opportunity cost. A $4000 ticket now at this point in my life is worth $12-20 K by the time I reach average retirement age. That's $4000 gone in 8 hours that will cost me 3-5 x that 20-25 years from now.

That being said, I can't wait for the life occasion that warrants the purchase of a transpacific first class ticket with a flat bed in a semi-private cubicle.

Better yet, one of these Premium Emirates Suites:

https://thepointsguy.com/2017/12/emi...-suite-review/