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[PayForIt]

I last visited Frankfurt nearly 10 yrs ago. My first FKK experience, I went to Mainhattan and Sharks. But have visited other German cities FKKs over the years.
I'm considering going to Frankfurt to stay a night and visiting an FKK there instead. Is the service better there? How about the girls? If I recall, Sharks was best but its a bit out of the way. I've been to Mainhattan. Never tried Palace or Oase. I recall reading Oase can be aggressive. I don't like girls coming every 5 seconds especially after I just saw a girl. I also don't like it when the girls don't come over at all and seem to just goto an FKK and hang out.

I'm getting older and can probably only see one or two girls. I think the cute young slender type of girl. However, it's more important for the girl to give good service (ie. Good attitude, energetic, not just lay there). BBBJ is a must. CIM is preferred as an option because I sometimes have trouble finishing the usual way. Also, I typically will want to visit in the afternoon and not at night. Ideally somewhere accessible by train/bus.

Based on this, I'd appreciate any recommendations? Stick to Dusseldorf / Cologne? Got to Frankfurt? If so, which FKK?

I am sure there are others who have greater experience than me but I've been attending FKKs for also 10 years but have done so two or three times (sometimes more) every year. I suspect I've been to something like 30 FKKs all over Germany from as far south as Munich, up as north as Hamburg and from Dresden to Frankfurt and of course through NRW.

What that has taught me is that it is just not possible to say "Frankfurt is better than NRW" or vice versa. I've been to Sharks and thought it was the best club in Germany. I've also been to Sharks 6 months later and left with no session thinking the girls were all fat and ugly. It's really hard to generalise. I've gone out of my way to visit clubs that are not that easy to get to (Atmos Hamburg), or Sakura Boblingen. Because my last sessions there were amazing. Only to find that the girls I sessioned with have gone and the current line ups are disappointing.

I think what I've come to realise is that part of the adventure is the discovery and not to get too hung up on it. I love reading current reports on this forum which rank the clubs based on line up at the current time. That's your best guide. But even then. As they say. One mans trash is another's treasure. I've relied on reports saying a line up is amazing and have arrived to find it awful. And vice versa.

Generally Sharks will always have some girls you'll like due to sheer numbers.

Oase is no more aggressive than any other club in my opinion. Indeed, I would say it is less so than Sharks!

You will find plenty of girls willing to do CIM for the extra 50. It does mean though that you'll be paying 250 for an hour in most of the clubs now.

That's a lot compared to prices even 5 years ago but then we cannot expect the girls never to increase when the cost of living globally increases.

I like the NRW clubs. Oceans gets panned on ISG but I like the club and have had great nights there. I hated Living Room due to the cancer inducing smoking main lounge.

I like Samya Cologne. Always loved its party atmosphere and loved it most when it was 50/30 then 25/30 after that! Amazing.

I love the outdoors at World but the club has deteriorated.

As you are older you might like Palace. Centrally located, clean, no outdoors (but its winter now), and the girls a little bit older (late 20's /30's).

I had one year when Mainhattan was my favourite due to the line up. My last 2 visits I've left with no session and taken a cab to Palace!

Summary. It's hit and miss. If you only have one night, I'the head to Sharks or Palace in FRA.

[Sirioja]

I last visited Frankfurt nearly 10 yrs ago. My first FKK experience, I went to Mainhattan and Sharks. But have visited other German cities FKKs over the years. I remember there was a time where BBBJ was hard to find. I visited stuttgart (sakura) last year and had no trouble getting BBBJCIM. I recall the rate was 100/30 I think. When they ask what I want, I usually just say BBBJCIM and they either say yes or no and give a price. Usually everyone gives the same price.

This year, I plan to visit Dusseldorf / Cologne around Dec 10-12 timeframe. Then I had planned to take the train directly to the frankfurt airport to go home. However, reading some reviews of FKKs in Dusseldorf / Cologne, they scared me a bit. Very negative. Talk of girls "agreeing" before, then during the session trying to upsell. I've never encountered this (in the 10 times I've visited an FKK). Was this just an isolated incident or the usual service is at FKK's in Dusseldorf / Cologne.

I'm considering going to Frankfurt to stay a night and visiting an FKK there instead. Is the service better there? How about the girls? If I recall, Sharks was best but its a bit out of the way. I've been to Mainhattan. Never tried Palace or Oase. I recall reading Oase can be aggressive. I don't like girls coming every 5 seconds especially after I just saw a girl. I also don't like it when the girls don't come over at all and seem to just goto an FKK and hang out.

I'm getting older and can probably only see one or two girls. I think the cute young slender type of girl. However, it's more important for the girl to give good service (ie. Good attitude, energetic, not just lay there). BBBJ is a must. CIM is preferred as an option because I sometimes have trouble finishing the usual way. Also, I typically will want to visit in the afternoon and not at night. Ideally somewhere accessible by train/bus.

Based on this, I'd appreciate any recommendations? Stick to Dusseldorf / Cologne? Got to Frankfurt? If so, which FKK?

BBBJ with CIM should be 150/30 . 110 at Babylon Elsdorf around Koln.

[Enphl]

I last visited Frankfurt nearly 10 yrs ago. My first FKK experience, I went to Mainhattan and Sharks. But have visited other German cities FKKs over the years. I remember there was a time where BBBJ was hard to find. I visited stuttgart (sakura) last year and had no trouble getting BBBJCIM. I recall the rate was 100/30 I think. When they ask what I want, I usually just say BBBJCIM and they either say yes or no and give a price. Usually everyone gives the same price.

This year, I plan to visit Dusseldorf / Cologne around Dec 10-12 timeframe. Then I had planned to take the train directly to the frankfurt airport to go home. However, reading some reviews of FKKs in Dusseldorf / Cologne, they scared me a bit. Very negative. Talk of girls "agreeing" before, then during the session trying to upsell. I've never encountered this (in the 10 times I've visited an FKK). Was this just an isolated incident or the usual service is at FKK's in Dusseldorf / Cologne.

I'm considering going to Frankfurt to stay a night and visiting an FKK there instead. Is the service better there? How about the girls? If I recall, Sharks was best but its a bit out of the way. I've been to Mainhattan. Never tried Palace or Oase. I recall reading Oase can be aggressive. I don't like girls coming every 5 seconds especially after I just saw a girl. I also don't like it when the girls don't come over at all and seem to just goto an FKK and hang out.

I'm getting older and can probably only see one or two girls. I think the cute young slender type of girl. However, it's more important for the girl to give good service (ie. Good attitude, energetic, not just lay there). BBBJ is a must. CIM is preferred as an option because I sometimes have trouble finishing the usual way. Also, I typically will want to visit in the afternoon and not at night. Ideally somewhere accessible by train/bus.

Based on this, I'd appreciate any recommendations? Stick to Dusseldorf / Cologne? Got to Frankfurt? If so, which FKK?

[Saturn11]

Am I right in understanding it is now generally 100/30 and 150/60 but that ought to get you owo, DFK and RO except for Palace where that will only get you owo. And even then it's best to clarify these services beforehand?

You are wrong about the first sentance, some girls are 100/30 and 150/60 but others are 100/30 and 200/60, some will even quote more and others will quote difference prices to different people. Your 2nd sentance is correct best to clarify both the service and the price beforehand. Prior to Covid I never did this but now I do else you won't know where you stand.

[Steve 9696]

I know this club doesn't get a lot of love, but if you are looking for something laid back and a real value at 50 including BBBJ you might like it also. I did. See the post in the Penelope thread here:

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...-FKK-Penelope-(was-Great-Palace) -Castrop-Rauxel&p=2862930#post2862930.

See you there tonight!

[Shark16]

I've occasionally gotten the new girl who gives a total GFE only because it's the only way she knows how to fuck.

Right on! She is new. Young. Pretty. Shy smile. No English. Communication in broken Romanian / Italian / Spanish after "hallo wie geht's?". This is what you hope for. No hesitation. "Haide draga!"

Then, after the be-test, you learn that she has become jaded and lazy. The end of a "love story".

With others you can go through the alphabet and it's improving all the time. She's a winner. "Rookie of the year" and contender to "trusted regular".

Then we have the stooopid girls who after 7 years and thousands of euro decide to become upsellers. Yeah, it does happen. Then it's time to shake that pool of "trusted regulars" a little. Why would I continue when there is always a new hot girl willing to provide excellent service at a going rate? It beats me.

The word from a genuine hobbyist that the occasional visitor / tourist never would understand.

But to each their own.

[Neurosynth]

… New girls are always riskier. It is like a "box of chocolate". You never know exactly what you get. It's part of the thrill. … .

I've occasionally gotten the new girl who gives a total GFE only because it's the only way she knows how to fuck.

[Be Wilder]

It's easy to say before the event but as I haven't been for 4 years and been relatively quiet in that period, I think my focus will be on pleasure rather than bargain hunting. That's especially the case as I can't see myself going 3-4 times a year as I used to in the good old days or making purpose built tours to Frankfurt in the future. Rather will make it a stopover en route to England once or twice a year. But of course no-one likes to pay over the odds so will try to resist the charms of e200-250 per hour girls if the same quality can be found though sometimes the only thing I can't resist is temptation!

I often used to pay E150 an hour as I like finishing in a girl's mouth or on her face so if I refrain from coming won't be that much different. It's the experimental or fluffer sessions at E50 where I didn't cum or cut short before cumming that I'll miss as it was easy to write-off E50.

I always used to take E1000 with me to a FKK "just in case" though I think the most I ever spent on girls in a night was E600. I might actually come close to spending it all this time! And of course I will post my adventures. I think I've posted about every girl I've encountered since I joined this site except for my UK adventures. It's become a part of the ritual and is nice to reminisce.

My ultimate fantasy remains a 4 girl orgy with a white blonde, black girl, brown girl and an oriental girl. Unfortunately you never get that diversity in FKKs. I imagine I will only pull that off in Dubai or London. I did in fact come close visiting London last month when I had a 5 girl orgy with only a brown girl missing from the mix. Were two white brunettes to go with a blonde, black and an oriental. Maybe that is something to reprise though I've reached the conclusion an even number of girls works better with 4 being the optimum number!

[Shark16]

I wouldn't mind seeing some old girls as long as they're ones I've had memorable experiences with.

Good thinking. Going with a trusted regular is your safest bet.

Just be aware that a lot of girls gained corona kilos and lost their good looks when returning in 2022. The good news is that many of them have "fucked off" several of those kilos and look better in 2023 than in 2022.

Some regulars have also changed their pricing structure. The vast majority of the old 100 E /60 girls are now 100E/30 and 150 E /60 girls with same service standards, to which I have no problems with. Sadly a minority have become upselling 200- 250 E /60 girls, which is a dealbreaker. For me. Up to you to make your own decisions, but I recommend to even screen a trusted regular if pricing matters - considering the time passed since your last visit.

These days I suspect I won't manage more than two shots a day

Hehe .... , you will be surprised what can happen in a FKK club. Given you find the right girls.

... having a couple of threesomes a day with an old favourite who is involved in the selection process of a new, younger girl should make for a more reliable threesome experience and make sure I have a reasonable amount of girls.

Good thinking. I remember with joy your old trip reports and hope you continue to give back to the forum.

... new ones is a bit of a risk though can be a pleasant surprise. As ever, even with screening there is always an element of the luck of the draw.

Very true. New girls are always riskier. It is like a "box of chocolate". You never know exactly what you get. It's part of the thrill. I try to keep a laid-back approach and enjoy the ride, and swallow my pride and move on whenever there is a letdown. You can always cut your losses at 100 E in a one-on-one session. Flops in a threesome are costlier of course, but your approach is the right one minimizing risks.

Up to you if you want to screen girls or not. In my book I believe that the flop rate is around 50% if not screening a new girl, which can be reduced to 10% if conducting a small gentle screening process (these figures are not scentific of course, merely for making a point). The flop is usually the lack of french kissing or the upselling thereof, to which "DFK fundamentalists" will be outraged. Personally I am a bit more relaxed. I never yield to upselling, but admit that some girls can have game even if they do not french kiss.

[Neurosynth]

It's been nearly 4 years since I last visited Frankfurt in November 2019 but I'll finally be going back and spending 4 days / nights across 2 weekends (decided to make a detour each way on a trip to Paris). Planning one night apiece in Sharks, Palace and Oase and the 4th day which will be a Sunday will re-visit the one where I had the best experience.

Since you are more or less in the neighborhood, for something different (AO as the affordable norm), there's always Dietzenbach.

[Be Wilder]

You will be surprised how many "old girls" you will recognize at all clubs. If you want someone fresh and new then Sharks is the go to place (Oase also to a limited extent).

I wouldn't mind seeing some old girls as long as they're ones I've had memorable experiences with. These days I suspect I won't manage more than two shots a day which is one reason I haven't been for so long as the cost of flights doesn't justify it whereas this is a pass through trip at no extra cost save for hotels. I may surprise myself but with only two shots in the locker, having a couple of threesomes a day with an old favourite who is involved in the selection process of a new, younger girl should make for a more reliable threesome experience and make sure I have a reasonable amount of girls.

One of the main attractions of FKKs was to have threesomes which at the old prices was a bargain. My best threesomes involved the above selection process whereas two new ones is a bit of a risk though can be a pleasant surprise. As ever, even with screening there is always an element of the luck of the draw.

[Shark16]

Planning one night apiece in Sharks, Palace and Oase and the 4th day which will be a Sunday will re-visit the one where I had the best experience.

Good planning.

I have no recent Palace experience myself, but based on what I hear from fellow monger friends there are no significant difference between these three clubs with regard to pricing / service standards. It's all about picking the right girls no matter where you go. As pricing / service standards vary so much from girl to girl, screening girls before committing yourself is more important than ever (if prices / service standards matter).

You will be surprised how many "old girls" you will recognize at all clubs. If you want someone fresh and new then Sharks is the go to place (Oase also to a limited extent).

Have fun.

[Be Wilder]

It's been nearly 4 years since I last visited Frankfurt in November 2019 but I'll finally be going back and spending 4 days / nights across 2 weekends (decided to make a detour each way on a trip to Paris). Planning one night apiece in Sharks, Palace and Oase and the 4th day which will be a Sunday will re-visit the one where I had the best experience.

I have been keeping an eye on developments and have come to terms with the new pricing era. Am I right in understanding it is now generally 100/30 and 150/60 but that ought to get you owo, DFK and RO except for Palace where that will only get you owo. And even then it's best to clarify these services beforehand? As it's been such a long time, I don't mind too much as it was a matter of time before there were increases though I think 80/30. 150/60 makes much more sense. Moreover, the reality is that had become the case in Palace post the 2017 law and in 2018 and 2019 I was only getting owo in 60 minutes for 100 with old regulars.

Anything else worth knowing in the "new world"? I'm obviously looking forward to it and I'm interested to see how many old girls I recognise but have relatively low expectations as even pre-pandemic quality of girls and service was slipping - 2014-2016 was a much better era than 2017-2019 and judging from this forum things have got worse post-Covid.

[Tintin1]

Yes, you make a fair point TINTIN. I hope I didn't come across as judgemental either, that wasn't the intention. Thanks for your comment.

Nah, I was just speaking up for the guys who like to get it "over" with and then relax. I've actually heard so many guys say, that when they arrive they have to quickly has sex so they can enjoy the rest of the evening. I'm usually the other way, I spend a lot of time building up my (obviously useless) analysis of the girls walking around and then go off for a while. I've also had girls that after sex talk such nonsense that you can't wait to get back to the bar. So there can be a lot of reasons men come back quickly! Had a girl in Vienna? Frankfurt? Who was an incredible story teller. So I lost track of time. Doesn't happen often!

[BobNSuzy]

To each their own. Many possibilites here:

- Some guys just want a quickie. Nothing wrong with it. In some cultures the quickest you can come, the more "man" you are.

- We do not know what the guys paid: If 50 E, then you are lucky to get more than a very quick CBJ / CFS session in 2023. Sad, but true.

Now, if I paid 100 E /30, then I'd expect a quality session (including kissing, DATY, BJ and CFS) for 20- 30 mnts. It is also my experience that the vast majority of girls will grant you that (going service for going rate). Actually, many girls are not clockwatchers and will allow a little bit of overtime as they regard 100 E /30 as good payment.

If it is my first session with a girl, then she should understand that she is tested. If the service is not up to par or I am shortchanged for time or overcharged, then chances are zero for a repeat. A bad provider gets 100 E and a byebye, while the good providers can look forward to priority and perhaps 1000 E in the next months. IME the vast majority of girls understand this and are eager to please.

Your observations took place on an early evening, but it is unclear which day of week. If a Friday and Saturday evening, then I suppose there would be a good number of guys around, and that certain girls will regard that time of week as "payment time" and do quick turnovers to optimize earnings. It's normal. Perhaps early week has been frustrating for these girls and they feel they need to compensate? We as gents should be aware of this. My own strategy is to only pick reliable providers (usually a regular) when there are crowds, or patiently wait until crowds settle a little and the girls more relaxed. And I avoid girls who are known to be too quick.

A small anecdote:

Shortchange of time is nothing new. 20 years ago there was a tall German blond bombshell and BJ queen who was notoriously known for her quick turnovers in the old kino at Oase. It was reported on ISG that she was observed doing FIVE guys in one hour! That is 50E + CIM extra 50E x 5 = 500E/hour, gentlemen. With the CIM solution she did not even bother with a shower between sessions (just a little bit of listerine). Haha ...!! But the point being: The guys were all left fully satisfied.

Oh, the old kino at Oase ...

Taking too long to cum is obviously a biological disadvantage evolutionarily speaking. If you take pride in pleasing women by lasting longer you might be trying to please your master. Some people can cum and basically keep on going. That is the best reproductively. If someone cums four times in an hour they are reproducing four times as much.