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[Gino02]

I know that these are the current German standard rates but in reality how many people pay 50 for 30 minutes?

I think that when you know that you will pay 150/ hour and have BBBJ, FIV, DATY, CIM / COF you would rather prefer to do that. 2 sessions with super sexy women doing everything you like and walking out of a club with 300 euro less is not so bad. Many people pay much more and they are nor happy. Of course I understand this is not good for the clubs who want to have as much as fee entrance clients even if they don't spend a euro on girls because they can't find what they want. I hear that Globe has this elegance style that is similar to my taste and as far as I know it is surviving so if in Swiss why not in Germany?

Once you visit Switzerland (Globe and other clubs there) and observe, you will see yourself why this would not work in Germany, at least not at the massive scale the FKKs are run in Germany. For now, I will tell you this. Globe being the most famous and largest in Switzerland, limits only 55-60 girls per day (except for special occasions like Halloween, NYE etc when they bring about 20-30 additional girls from their other smaller clubs). They keep very tight leash on the girls, both for keeping their looks (not becoming fat, not getting too many new tattoos etc etc) and quality of service (eg CIM with swallow means truly swallow my sperm that I can see, not turn away from me and spit it out). Each new girl has to answer Yes / No to 30 different services questions during their hiring interview, these services questions include some pretty nasty things eg NS active, NS passive, Kaviar play active and passive, sperm swallow, public gangbang etc etc, and doesn't mater how beautiful the girl is, she won't be hired if she doesn't check Yes to at least 20 of those 30 services. Even after being hired, if more than 3 customers complain about service, the girl will be either terminated or put in reserve bench or at least transferred to one of their smaller cheaper clubs as a punishment, unless the girl is a special favorite of the management which is not very often. More girls apply for working in Globe in every month than actually working in that month. Even with these strict standards for looks and services for girls and so much more affluent customers in the country, Globe gets maybe 100-200 customers per day, average being less. Do you think Sharks or Oase will like to run their business with so few entry fees? Can they even get 50-60 Globe quality girls every week, and 100 Globe level affluent customers who usually spend minimum 600 CHF per visit (many spend 2000-4000 CHF per visit, even poor me had spent 3600 CHF in one night once with my average being 600-1000 CHF per visit)? German FKK business thrives with large middle class customer base being serviced by large base of average quality girls for a lower standard prices; not the same as the Swiss high-end business model. Of course things can change, but I doubt we will see German FKKs doing better with increased rates anytime soon, rather they will struggle to stay open if their micro-economic model gets disrupted without improvement of the German macro-economic situation (increased income level of local Germans). Only tourists paying higher rates will not be enough for German FKKs to survive long term at the same scale.

Besides, as a tourist myself, I refuse to pay higher (or lower) than the standard rates in the country I am visiting. I respect the country I am visiting, I am grateful that they let me in to experience something that is not there in my home country, and I will not do anything to break something they have and cherish, even if I want something else or something more. For me, the standard FKK service rates are defined by the clubs and / or locals, not by travelers or tourists like me. Also, I have no issue paying higher rates in Globe as the club guarantees service quality from the optifick girls (mostly top 1% level of the German FKK girls), but I do not see justification to pay similar rates for some girl who for whatever reason is not working at Globe or at a similar club with service guarantee.

[Member #4636]

Well, if you are going to pay so much higher than current German standard rates, .

I know that these are the current German standard rates but in reality how many people pay 50 for 30 minutes?

I think that when you know that you will pay 150/ hour and have BBBJ, FIV, DATY, CIM / COF you would rather prefer to do that. 2 sessions with super sexy women doing everything you like and walking out of a club with 300 euro less is not so bad. Many people pay much more and they are nor happy. Of course I understand this is not good for the clubs who want to have as much as fee entrance clients even if they don't spend a euro on girls because they can't find what they want. I hear that Globe has this elegance style that is similar to my taste and as far as I know it is surviving so if in Swiss why not in Germany?

[Mr Ho]

+1.

I am American and I do not disagree! Many American girls, or men for that matter, are quite fat. Too many calories and too little exercise, I'm afraid.

Evita used to be slim. But she has been eating Sharks food that makes all the girls fat. She is better than other girls that have worked at Sharks for this many years but she is no longer young nor slim. However, her Asian customers still seem to like her. This is surprising to me as she is not even a fake blonde.

You are right about Puerto Rican girls in Florida. Some pretty Cuban girls too on the South beach.

Only FKK I can think of that has the gym is Artemis, where I have seen many girls working out both weight lifting and cardio, so in Artemis you have a choice to do extra work out on top of sex. But beside that in most other FKK, when girls stay too long, they tend to expand in size. I guess just sex is not enough to keep them in shape.

[ExpatLover]

How is the FKK generally in Summer ? will many girls go on vacation ?

Just go through the forum every year the same question is coming, but in fact nobody is able to tell you what will be the LU in any FKK tomorrow so also impossible next month but in the big clubs there will be always enough girls if you are not too demanding you will find one for you.

[Gino02]

Regarding Germany and why all girls go there: It is simply because of its economy and especially Frankfurt and NRW. Just look at the cars that park outside the clubs.

Regarding the price list: Why not just two types of service a. Classic and be Full.

Classic could be 150 / h including everything except anal and full 200 including anal. Then girls would stop charging everything for extra and the clients would know that for 150 they get what they want. Of course there will always be those mongers who go to clubs for 3 50's rounds but leaving the club I don't think they would be more happier. It is the quality that counts not the quantity.

Well, if you are going to pay so much higher than current German standard rates, why not go to Switzerland where standard rates are 2 to 5 times higher than Germany. Also girls can go to Switzerland to follow your extra money, but they do have to be of a minimum beautiful look and have to provide solid service or they are out. You can find more on this on the ISG Switzerland thread. I think you will also learn why there are so fewer number of FKKs and fewer number of FKK girls in Switzerland compared to Germany, despite having much more disposable or floating money than Germany.

I doubt that the German FKK ecosystem can survive too much price inflation. If rates go too high compared to average German income and cost of living increases, locals will reduce visits, girls won't be able to compensate income only from the 20-30% tourists, less girls will remain or enter in the FKK system, clubs will make less money due to reduced number of customers and girls, eventually many clubs will collapse. So please be careful when you disrupt this unique German FKK ecosystem and turn it into similar to rest of the world.

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[Sebastiane]

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[Sirioja]

I am planning a summer trip to the Frankfurt area FKKs in the next few weeks and want to ask about current Top Beauties / Top Girls at the following clubs:

Palace.

Oase.

Sharks.

World.

Mainhattan.

Thanks in advance. (I know beauty is subjective but it is still helpful to have a list of top lookers / performers).

For my subjective tastes used to get beauties in clubs, I like Sharks for the club, but I m not anymore good to find chic beauties at Sharks, when I had many, but I would be happy to find a new one like high class one found on last June for a week end and next Friday.

From what I saw on a April Saturday, I think World worth a look, but only on Friday or Saturday.

Sometimes, can find a top girl at Palace.

Oase is a real good surprise for me since beginning of April, I found 5 beauties, last coming from Mainhattan, I have a new really attractive target, I got really good rooms. My best playfield at the moment with sports in the garden.

[Sirioja]

+1.

I am American and I do not disagree! Many American girls, or men for that matter, are quite fat. Too many calories and too little exercise, I'm afraid.

Evita used to be slim. But she has been eating Sharks food that makes all the girls fat. She is better than other girls that have worked at Sharks for this many years but she is no longer young nor slim. However, her Asian customers still seem to like her. This is surprising to me as she is not even a fake blonde.

You are right about Puerto Rican girls in Florida. Some pretty Cuban girls too on the South beach.

I never been with her, she thought my writings about her Asian business were critics, but even not so slim than Megan, but usually and even Megan enjoy good Romanian foods for them, at home, I think they miss their origin when they are in brothels, but among a poor casting on Friday 17 May, Evita was still above many GND even not a tight waist, but at least a bit glamour look with her hair. Not yet on American women body look level, fortunately she is still more fresh. I think Romanians are far prettier than most of American girls.

Cubans are too dark for me, some Puerto Ricans are quite Caucasian type.

[Member #4636]

Moving the discussion from Mainhattan to Lounge thread.


Interestingly, this is exactly what a new receptionist at Oase told me as prices for services, when I asked couple of years back.

Regarding Germany and why all girls go there: It is simply because of its economy and especially Frankfurt and NRW. Just look at the cars that park outside the clubs.

Regarding the price list: Why not just two types of service a. Classic and be Full.

Classic could be 150 / h including everything except anal and full 200 including anal. Then girls would stop charging everything for extra and the clients would know that for 150 they get what they want. Of course there will always be those mongers who go to clubs for 3 50's rounds but leaving the club I don't think they would be more happier. It is the quality that counts not the quantity.

[Ulver]

Moving the discussion from Mainhattan to Lounge thread.

Eight European countries have legalized prostitution - Austria, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Latvia, Switzerland, Turkey and partially UK. But only Germany and some parts of Austria and Switzerland has any significant FKK type businesses. Greece, Hungary and Turkey are much closer to Romania and Bulgaria from where most of the FKK girls come to Germany for prostitution work. Now, why do you think all these girls come all the way to Germany instead of going to the countries closer (some still goes), which also brings some sex tourists (some stopover travelers too) in turn to Germany? Because besides the strength of economy, Germans built an infrastructure, security and system for this business that no other country provides. That system includes an implied Service vs. Pricing vs. Cost of Living model that keeps the business alive and going. Now, if most of us fucks up that service / pricing model by paying more than what is suggested by that well balanced model due to whatever the reason / justification we may have, what do you think will happen to the overall business and service environment in Germany? My guess, it will become similar to all the other countries in few years. Good luck in having good 30 minutes service for even 200-300 e in couple of years from now, and then slowly the FKKs will die due to lack of customers. So my advice. Let's not to cut the branch of the tree on which we are sitting. Let's not support so much inflation in this business that the business itself falls apart. I don't expect the WGs to understand this economic model albeit simple, but I do expect any monger reading here to at least think twice before next time paying more than the standard rates..

Well said Gino, well said. Every monger should consider this.

[Gino02]

There are 3 groups of people on ISG.

First group members think 50 is 50 and a girl needs to provide all services for 50. This includes BBBJ and kissing for sure, sex in multiple positions, perhaps even some ball sucking, FIV, fia, and even rimming. They do not like guys who pay extra money for any of the above services and they call such men tourists and suckers and clueless and worse.

Second group members think 50 is not very much money. Typically members of this group are somewhat affluent or at least they can afford to spend some amount of money in the clubs. These men are willing to pay 100 E or even more for 30 minute sessions to obtain many of the services mentioned above, especially if the girl is pretty. They also look down on members of group 1 and call them cheap Charlie's.

The third group is not very vocal here but they exist. They think it is best to be flexible. Sometimes these men pay extra money for some services and at other times they are strict in their purchases of services. I fall into group 3 most of the time, and perhaps you do as well.

Moving the discussion from Mainhattan to Lounge thread.

Eight European countries have legalized prostitution - Austria, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Latvia, Switzerland, Turkey and partially UK. But only Germany and some parts of Austria and Switzerland has any significant FKK type businesses. Greece, Hungary and Turkey are much closer to Romania and Bulgaria from where most of the FKK girls come to Germany for prostitution work. Now, why do you think all these girls come all the way to Germany instead of going to the countries closer (some still goes), which also brings some sex tourists (some stopover travelers too) in turn to Germany? Because besides the strength of economy, Germans built an infrastructure, security and system for this business that no other country provides. That system includes an implied Service vs. Pricing vs. Cost of Living model that keeps the business alive and going. Now, if most of us fucks up that service / pricing model by paying more than what is suggested by that well balanced model due to whatever the reason / justification we may have, what do you think will happen to the overall business and service environment in Germany? My guess, it will become similar to all the other countries in few years. Good luck in having good 30 minutes service for even 200-300 e in couple of years from now, and then slowly the FKKs will die due to lack of customers. So my advice. Let's not to cut the branch of the tree on which we are sitting. Let's not support so much inflation in this business that the business itself falls apart. I don't expect the WGs to understand this economic model albeit simple, but I do expect any monger reading here to at least think twice before next time paying more than the standard rates.

For our reference again, standard rates are: 50 e for 30 minutes of service including BBBJ, DFK, FIV, BLS, COB etc, with each additional 30 minutes unit of time for additional 50e.
Only extras are: CIM or COF for additional 50e, anal additional 100e. Both one time charge irrespective of how many times that activity happened when you stayed with her for multiple units of time.
There is absolutely no extra charge for multiple positions, it's not even a thing, never was and never should be. Obviously you cannot expect the girl to be in a position of cartwheel or pile-driver unless she wants to do that. Only normal sex positions please.

Interestingly, this is exactly what a new receptionist at Oase told me as prices for services, when I asked couple of years back.

[TankTank123]

Do any clubs in Germany have any Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Filipino, Malaysian girls? I remember years ago Bea at Palace but that's it. I haven't been with an Oriental girl since then and would like to.

If 'Bea' is the Thai girl at Palace in 2009/2010, then there is currently at Sharks, a Filipina called Marlyn whom I find even better than Bee/Bea. Top class service, and with bob hair, cute pixie look. Usually heavily booked.

There is also a very very fat oriental-looking girl at Sharks (ex-World) whom you probably would not want to try, unless you are very short of cash.

[Thanos2019]

+1.

I am American and I do not disagree! Many American girls, or men for that matter, are quite fat. Too many calories and too little exercise, I'm afraid.

Evita used to be slim. But she has been eating Sharks food that makes all the girls fat. She is better than other girls that have worked at Sharks for this many years but she is no longer young nor slim. However, her Asian customers still seem to like her. This is surprising to me as she is not even a fake blonde.

You are right about Puerto Rican girls in Florida. Some pretty Cuban girls too on the South beach.

I never noticed Betty at Sharks, I would say Evita is 165 but not anymore slim, no more waist, even not fat. Megan was refused at Globe on her first try on February 2017, then she returned for 1 month at Sharks to lose weight she got at home with Romanian foods and she tried again and was accepted on April, she is much more slim than Evita, Kate even with curvy ass is also more slim above ass, with narrow waist which make her ratio waist / ass so sexy, compare to Evita who is quite straight body shape. Madi World also had a so sexy ratio ass / waist. Maybe we don t have same standards for slim girls, for sure I find most of American women fat. I remember my first visit on 1996 landing in the morning in Miami, I walked on the beach for more than 6 hours, I think more than 20 km, when I returned to hotel exhausted and so disappointed, I asked I didn't see any Pamela Anderson like she was on playboy before silicon, and I was answered: But Pamela Anderson is not American, she is Western Canadian. Prettiest seen in Florida were Puerto Rican girls, much more sexy and firm than Americans who are really not slim. Some blond Puerto Ricans were really attractive.

[Sebastiane]

I am planning a summer trip to the Frankfurt area FKKs in the next few weeks and want to ask about current Top Beauties / Top Girls at the following clubs:

Palace.

Oase.

Sharks.

World.

Mainhattan.

Thanks in advance. (I know beauty is subjective but it is still helpful to have a list of top lookers / performers).