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[Mr Ho]

In France, Macron made panic and now French don't want to work, behaving like if they were on holidays, when government ask not to stop working and tell now about bonus 1000 for courageous who will work. Real virus for economy which will explode, when french are paid when they don't work, when they really could. I m much more worried about this disease of our economy, even sad of course so many people die. Italia have second oldest population after Japan and many infected northern Italians moved to south before confined. Many infected medical staff also infected many people. There is always explanation about what happen, and I'm very sad for them.

And usually, France do what they do best, demonstration, which would be defined as mini riot in other countries.

[McAdonis]

This is why the lockdowns and quarantines will fail sooner or later. Many people in low income range can not afford to miss work for too many days, and most employers can not afford to keep paying workers for a long time if they are not working.

Quarantines and lockdowns fail because not everyone adheres to it. You can't do them halfway. In fact I would argue that it is almost pointless. The incubation period is believed to be two weeks, so if a country could get 99 percent compliance, my guess is a "strict" quarantine should only need to be a maximum of 4-6 weeks. So short term pain and return to normal life. But Italians in their pursuit of Dolce Vita did not take the lockdown seriously, not initially at least.

RE: low income range and not being able to afford to miss days. These two UC Berkeley economists propose paying everybody during the corona-virus lay-off: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/go...off-2020-03-17.

The average worker in USA works 1786 hours per year and in Germany that figure is 1363 hours. That is a difference of 423 hours or roughly 10 work weeks. If any OECD economy could endure a shutdown of 4-6 weeks, it should be the USA. Operative word should. https://data.oecd.org/emp/hours-worked.htm.

[PunterWanderer]

This, to me, seems like the essential point. COVID-19 seems like a perfect-built weapon to destroy the world economy; a super-infective pneumonia, essentially. Sure, many of us make a good living, are young and healthy, but no one is immune to the social order getting disrupted to this degree. Also, I think people are really underestimating the length of this disruption. Given the highly infectiousness of COVID-19, total quarantine seems like it won't work. And lock down for say 18 months is not going to work; world economy will tank to a degree not many people appreciate (power outages? Food shortages? Europe is already seeing internet issues. Etc).

Alternatively, do we wait until everyone is infected / mostly immune? Lots would die if we did that quickly. Until we can vaccinate everyone? That's a year, in all likelihood. Ouch.

Someone can think they are invincible / too young / too affluent / etc; but they are not immune to the world social / economic order.

Me, I am dreaming of my last trip to FKK-land, knowing it will be a long, long time before I get another one. And hoping all you brethren stay safe!

100% agree with that. Must admit that I'm one of those who initially underestimated this Covid-19 outbreak. Kept doing my things as usual, including meeting WGs etc.

But now I do think that this pandemic-influenza is really dangerous both over the short and the longer run. In the short term, it is threatening to melt down healthcare systems, as the first waves of infected treated in the hospitals might saturate the beds in intensive care. Furthermore, hospitals become quickly outbreaks of epidemic.

But in the longer term, the routes of infection (average low intensity of the disease, which is transmitted by asymptomatic carriers who may infect other people for days) make fucking Covid-19 the perfect tool to erode social fabric and to hit hard economy and politics. I mean, let's see. If the scope and magnitude of the epidemic will remain confined to a few countries, things can be fixed. But if it will become a true worldwide pandemic, with death rates similar to the ones in Italy. Can you really imagine the world in lockdown for 18 months or more?? Yeah, Ebola is a brutal, gruesome disease. But just for this it remains confined to restricted area and simply cannot become pandemic. This little bastard has all the characteristic to really blow it up.

Ok, I apologise for all this pessimism and hope to be wrong. Besides the fucks I'm going to miss because of that, Covid-19 has messed up also all my business plans (the two usually go hand in hand LOL). I'm thus pretty pissed off.

[Sirioja]

Funny to see spring break with full crowd on Florida beaches.

In France, cycling federation told bicycling is forbidden. We will become fat and old, or maybe crazy, earlier. Will be death not from virus, but confined life and isolation.

[Sirioja]

This is why the lockdowns and quarantines will fail sooner or later. Many people in low income range can not afford to miss work for too many days, and most employers can not afford to keep paying workers for a long time if they are not working. Only a fraction of the work in this world can be done from home. In poorer countries, the percent of people who can truly work from home is very small.

So many people even in US and Europe and other advanced countries live paycheck to paycheck. More than half the people in the US have no savings for the rainy day. Either they work or they are behind on rent, phone bill, food expenses and other things. China was able to lock down because it is a dictatorship and can suppress all internal dissension and do what they want, and Putin can do the same thing; but before too long in the West, I think many people will violate lockdown / quarantine and try to find work and get some money.

Even on Wall Street Journal comments section, I saw many people posting analysis such as "cost of lockdown+quarantine is x trillion dollars. By doing this we are saving xx thousand lives, most of which are old people. That works to more than why million dollar per life of an old person saved. Why do we need sacrifice so much to save an old person who will die soon anyway? Keep in mind, this was on Wall Street Journal, a newspaper whose readership is generally quite wealthy and somewhat old.

Granted, many young people also face the risk of infection as MACAdonis pointed out, but by and large younger people are worried about the here and now and not some future death and disease.

In France, Macron made panic and now French don't want to work, behaving like if they were on holidays, when government ask not to stop working and tell now about bonus 1000 € for courageous who will work. Real virus for economy which will explode, when french are paid when they don't work, when they really could. I m much more worried about this disease of our economy, even sad of course so many people die. Italia have second oldest population after Japan and many infected northern Italians moved to south before confined. Many infected medical staff also infected many people. There is always explanation about what happen, and I'm very sad for them.

[Samplerr]

Even on Wall Street Journal comments section, I saw many people posting analysis such as "cost of lockdown+quarantine is x trillion dollars. By doing this we are saving xx thousand lives, most of which are old people. That works to more than why million dollar per life of an old person saved. Why do we need sacrifice so much to save an old person who will die soon anyway? Keep in mind, this was on Wall Street Journal, a newspaper whose readership is generally quite wealthy and somewhat old.

The objective of the lockdowns is to try and prevent the health system from being overwhelmed by demand. A broken health system won't just impact the old.

[Sirioja]

With this stupid virus and the needed social distancing, now that my options are down to only two (counting both hands), I am debating if I should enact emergency and temporarily lift my personal ban on "fucking any girl who is fat or fugly or older than 25 or any combination of those" and fuck my otherwise nice (read "flirty") and healthy (read "chunky") next door gal. What do you single guys suggest? What are you married guys doing, fucking your fugly old wives or just watching porn / FKK videos now?

Because I believe in love, but not in brothels, at best only love in bed in brothels, but I think now good time for married men to take care of their wife, to discover desire again, normal life women are so much more interesting for sexuality, from my experiences.

I miss much more freedom and ski than prostitutes.

[Pessimist]

I'm much more afraid of economic crisis than virus, and I'm pretty sure falling economy will kill much more lives than virus. Confined is not a good point for economy and French seem to think this is kind of Spring holidays rather than keeping on working.

This is why the lockdowns and quarantines will fail sooner or later. Many people in low income range can not afford to miss work for too many days, and most employers can not afford to keep paying workers for a long time if they are not working. Only a fraction of the work in this world can be done from home. In poorer countries, the percent of people who can truly work from home is very small.

So many people even in US and Europe and other advanced countries live paycheck to paycheck. More than half the people in the US have no savings for the rainy day. Either they work or they are behind on rent, phone bill, food expenses and other things. China was able to lock down because it is a dictatorship and can suppress all internal dissension and do what they want, and Putin can do the same thing; but before too long in the West, I think many people will violate lockdown / quarantine and try to find work and get some money.

Even on Wall Street Journal comments section, I saw many people posting analysis such as "cost of lockdown+quarantine is x trillion dollars. By doing this we are saving xx thousand lives, most of which are old people. That works to more than why million dollar per life of an old person saved. Why do we need sacrifice so much to save an old person who will die soon anyway? Keep in mind, this was on Wall Street Journal, a newspaper whose readership is generally quite wealthy and somewhat old.

Granted, many young people also face the risk of infection as MACAdonis pointed out, but by and large younger people are worried about the here and now and not some future death and disease.

[Gino02]

With this stupid virus and the needed social distancing, now that my options are down to only two (counting both hands), I am debating if I should enact emergency and temporarily lift my personal ban on "fucking any girl who is fat or fugly or older than 25 or any combination of those" and fuck my otherwise nice (read "flirty") and healthy (read "chunky") next door gal. What do you single guys suggest? What are you married guys doing, fucking your fugly old wives or just watching porn / FKK videos now?

[Mr Ho]

Not to mention complications from potentially scarred lungs for life.

With SARS, it had permanent side effects for some people even after they were cured.

[Sirioja]

This, to me, seems like the essential point. COVID-19 seems like a perfect-built weapon to destroy the world economy; a super-infective pneumonia, essentially. Sure, many of us make a good living, are young and healthy, but no one is immune to the social order getting disrupted to this degree. Also, I think people are really underestimating the length of this disruption. Given the highly infectiousness of COVID-19, total quarantine seems like it won't work. And lock down for say 18 months is not going to work; world economy will tank to a degree not many people appreciate (power outages? Food shortages? Europe is already seeing internet issues. Etc).

Alternatively, do we wait until everyone is infected / mostly immune? Lots would die if we did that quickly. Until we can vaccinate everyone? That's a year, in all likelihood. Ouch.

Someone can think they are invincible / too young / too affluent / etc; but they are not immune to the world social / economic order.

Me, I am dreaming of my last trip to FKK-land, knowing it will be a long, long time before I get another one. And hoping all you brethren stay safe!

I'm much more afraid of economic crisis than virus, and I'm pretty sure falling economy will kill much more lives than virus. Confined is not a good point for economy and French seem to think this is kind of Spring holidays rather than keeping on working.

[The Cane]

There are COVID-19 charts for the USA with regards to 20-44 age group. This group makes up 29 percent of the diagnosed, 20 percent of the hospitalizations, 12 percent of the intensive care unit patients, but only 2 percent of the deaths. So yes you might survive, but you might end up being miserable or near death for three weeks: https://www.businessinsider.com/30-p...s-20-44-2020-3.

Not to mention complications from potentially scarred lungs for life.

[McAdonis]

There are COVID-19 charts for the USA with regards to 20-44 age group. This group makes up 29 percent of the diagnosed, 20 percent of the hospitalizations, 12 percent of the intensive care unit patients, but only 2 percent of the deaths. So yes you might survive, but you might end up being miserable or near death for three weeks: https://www.businessinsider.com/30-p...s-20-44-2020-3.

[LaBambaBoy]

A virus with a high death rate, like ebola kills their hosts too quickly to spread, however less deadly but highly infections covid-19 has the ability to infect everyone in the world and if you add up the numbers, a virus like this can do way more damage to the entire world. You shouldn't worry about it killing you, but it'll kill the economy around you, and you might wish you want to die. Are you still not worried?

This, to me, seems like the essential point. COVID-19 seems like a perfect-built weapon to destroy the world economy; a super-infective pneumonia, essentially. Sure, many of us make a good living, are young and healthy, but no one is immune to the social order getting disrupted to this degree. Also, I think people are really underestimating the length of this disruption. Given the highly infectiousness of COVID-19, total quarantine seems like it won't work. And lock down for say 18 months is not going to work; world economy will tank to a degree not many people appreciate (power outages? Food shortages? Europe is already seeing internet issues. Etc).

Alternatively, do we wait until everyone is infected / mostly immune? Lots would die if we did that quickly. Until we can vaccinate everyone? That's a year, in all likelihood. Ouch.

Someone can think they are invincible / too young / too affluent / etc; but they are not immune to the world social / economic order.

Me, I am dreaming of my last trip to FKK-land, knowing it will be a long, long time before I get another one. And hoping all you brethren stay safe!

[Gino02]

I judge a disease by it's death rate. Numbers from Italy show that old people and people with asthma, diabetes etc are dying from corona. If you don't have an underlying disease and you're not old you're ok. If corona had a high death rate like Ebola I would worry, but since it doesn't I don't.

I agree with you. We just didn't do enough early on to be isolated from the people where Coronavirus started, unlike how we isolated the sources of Ebola. We should have kept the people travelling from China at a social distance starting at least in January. China should have isolated themselves starting maybe October or as soon as they found out about their epidemic. I wonder how the Chinese people all over the world will now take actions so that their home country doesn't do this again.