German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Kuni042]

After having been addicted to this stuff, we are talking about, for some time. It seems, compared to Germany.

A) either the places are way too expensive: USA, UK, France, Australia, Italy, Japan, Singapore, etc etc.

B) it is way too dangerous for foreigners, esp. If you don't speak the language: Mexico, Caribbean, Brazil, India, Russia, South-Africa, Egypt.

C) the places are simply dead-dead: Finland, Denmark, China.

D) total shitholes: rumania, turkey etc.

So there is only Germany, Netherlands, Czech. And maybe a few rare other places.

What do others think? Anything I left out? I guess Thailand maybe still interesting.

Don't waste your money nor be fooled....

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IMHO do not waste your time with these.

[Gino02]

I happen to read this old post #7576 in the Artemis thread, thanks to Nooky Ninja, that pretty much sums up the art (and social science) of how to get a normal 50/30 min GFE session. I certainly can vouch that even though I sometime forget these advices seeing some optifuck, when I do remember, this art works! What's your experience?

[TeaInTheSun]

What will you choose for few days of fun? Austrian clubs near Italian border or Frankfurt tour? I've wanted to see famous FKK Sharks but recent reports are not that good. Could maybe someone compare it with Wellcum? This is the last FKK I've visited few months ago.

Past year I was in Vienna visiting places like GT and was good but in my opinion you can find more diversity, cheapest options and more places to go in Frankfurt. If you just have few days, try Oase and Sharks and according how were your own experiences, you will repeat them or take other options such as World or Mainhatten.

[Kosher Kowboy]

How is Vegas brothel? I went to Las Vegas, but I did not go to brothels there or in the region.

Are line up as young and beautiful as German FKK at Nevada brothels or?

Don't waste your money nor be fooled by the television documentaries, I did the majority of these outside Vegas about an hour (CR and Sherri's), one a little north of that (Madame Butterfly's) and the ones in Sparks outside Reno and all the ones in Moundhouse where the MLBR is and across the street Sagebrush, Kitty's and a few others. Prices are very high best deals go to the locals who come in once a week cashing their paychecks on Fridays. Expect to pay $250-$400 very low end for a girl for an hour at one of the cheaper ones and $400 on a low end if even upwards to $1000 plus at any of the better ones. The girls will have for you a pre-printed menu on it, they will also come down 50 percent to 75 percent immediately once you do not take that initial bait maybe tad more if you are good. Just to give you an idea at the CR the girl asked me for $1500 ended up paying $600, MLBR I paid $800 or so and at Kittys and Kit Kat I paid $200-$300 or so. This was back sometime ago. Prices have only gone up and the old brothel boards that broke down prices per girl very well first changed content than they were gone. Word is they were bought or ' shut down' by the owners of the brothels collectively.

Quality is mainly garbage, average age without a doubt above 30 some pushing middle 40's. House takes 50 percent of what you pay the girl which certainly doesn't bring prices down and they listen in on the negotiations to make sure the girl pays them 50 percent which is done prior to returning to the room to service you along with a condom that at least when I was there was used for all blowjobs per Nevada law at least at the time. Over regulated, junk and if it were any good I would be flying there on weekends as Vegas flights are very cheap, Reno a tad harder to get in to usually a connection in SF, LA, Salt Lake or Denver is required unless you live out West and most cities have service to Reno / Lake Tahoe.

IMHO the controls, prices, quality etc is one reason why I hope this is never legalized here, we will never have the talent Germany or Europe does, we will be over regulated like NV is and prices will be sky high.

Is it worth it as a novelty to do it once if you are out there? Yes.

Would I get an illegal hooker in Vegas or Reno itself before doing the ranches? 100 percent, make that 110 percent.

Or would I book a another flight to Germany instead?

Just did, figured Baltimore for Thanksgiving was already half way there and WOW Airlines is really cheap, upsells on priority boarding, baggage allowance, seats and food but such is life.

Prostitution is still illegal in both Clark (Vegas) and Henderson (Reno) Counties which is why the brothels are 60 miles outside of Vegas or 10 miles to 30 miles outside Reno.

One tip if you do go in addition to saying you have been there before when asked at minimum tell them you go to another one often. When you ring the buzzer and go in the madam will greet you and seat you in a parlor and the girls will parade in you will hear the clicking of heels getting louder. Ring the buzzer only once very shortly, most newbies will ring it 3 or 4 times and hold it in a dead giveaway to all you are not seasoned at all. Ring it barely once and tell the madam you do not want a LU you want to go to the bar to relax first. In the bar you can actually talk to and interview girls although they will only discuss services and prices in the room so you can really only judge personality.

Ring the buzzer too many times or too long and your price just went up. They will squeeze you hard. You will find cheaper prices in Elko and the towns way out in buttfuck but they cater mainly to truckers passing thru and that quality I can not vouch for only say it is worse from what I was told. Some of the setups vary a tad brothel to brothel but not much.

IMHO do not waste your time with these.

[LaBambaBoy]

People on ISG have their favorite places. Sometimes I wonder if they are writing to dissuade others from visiting their favorite clubs? Or maybe they are being nostalgic. And remember that nostalgia is a dirty liar that insists things were better than they were. I felt this way when I visited Oase last year after a 5-year hiatus. Yes, the prices were higher but I make more and it was still a deal ...and there was no more kissing outside the room ...and I had the worst 3-sum in years...the one hot Russian started upcharging in the room and said "you will get no more sex for 100 Euro"... Wait a second. Oase is a bad example. Oase is no longer my happy place. Avoid this one but go to Sharks. Sharks is great. There is still some customer service and the women are hotter....See. I am doing this too.

This is my biased opinion.

This has been pretty funny to read as someone making his first trip to Frankfurt in a couple weeks. I've see enthusiastic recommendations for and against every FKK in Frankfurt. Leads me to believe none of the majors (Sharks, Oase, Mainhatten) will really disappoint, as everyone's mileage will vary.

[Mongerer88]

How is Vegas brothel? I went to Las Vegas, but I did not go to brothels there or in the region.

Are line up as young and beautiful as German FKK at Nevada brothels or?

Do not even think about going to the legal Nevada brothels.

Just don't. Ridiculously high prices and clinical services. No BBBJ ever, and most of the women are old. The best ladies left these places years ago and went independent.

The way you do things in Vegas is to contact an independent (there are hundreds advertising with their own websites). These ladies do GFE but often cost $400-$700 an hour.

Or use one of a couple of respected agencies, one of which is called 100 Proof. The 100 Proof ladies are $500 an hour, and are fully GFE.

A lot of screening is required for independent escorts and for a respected agencies. It keeps the police out of the picture.

Some guys have success with the ladies who work in the casinos. And some guys have success getting ladies to go home with them after a shift at a strip club. That method, particularly the casino ladies, is less expensive and doesn't require screening. But the service can be hit or miss. Sometimes it is fantastic, sometimes it is a non-GFE, CBJ only experience.

The expensive Vegas independent (and upscale escort agency) girls are young and smoking hot.

No one in their right mind would suggest that is a better deal than Germany, or anywhere else in mainland Europe.

But the question was, if you are a guy in Nevada or California, is it better to see someone nearby for a one-hour very expensive GFE experience and put up with the hassle of screening, or is it worthwhile to make a long trip to a place like Germany to do a lot more fucking for the dollars spent directly on sex.

The answer to that question is different for each person, and as Bfsie pointed out, each of us would have a different value to the marginal enjoyment if each succeeding orgasm. For some guys, one expensive two-cum session with an independent escort close to home in the US might capture most of the desired enjoyment, whereas for another guy a week in Germany fucking three girls a day might be worthwhile to him in spite of the fact that his total cost would be higher, including airfare.

I wasn't trying to say one is better than the other. I was just conveying how the system works in the US. And for someone accustomed to the services at a German FKK, the legal Nevada brothels would be a bitter disappointment.

[HungryStud101]

What will you choose for few days of fun? Austrian clubs near Italian border or Frankfurt tour? I've wanted to see famous FKK Sharks but recent reports are not that good. Could maybe someone compare it with Wellcum? This is the last FKK I've visited few months ago.

People on ISG have their favorite places. Sometimes I wonder if they are writing to dissuade others from visiting their favorite clubs? Or maybe they are being nostalgic. And remember that nostalgia is a dirty liar that insists things were better than they were. I felt this way when I visited Oase last year after a 5-year hiatus. Yes, the prices were higher but I make more and it was still a deal ...and there was no more kissing outside the room ...and I had the worst 3-sum in years...the one hot Russian started upcharging in the room and said "you will get no more sex for 100 Euro"... Wait a second. Oase is a bad example. Oase is no longer my happy place. Avoid this one but go to Sharks. Sharks is great. There is still some customer service and the women are hotter....See. I am doing this too.

This is my biased opinion.

[Pistons]

What will you choose for few days of fun? Austrian clubs near Italian border or Frankfurt tour? I've wanted to see famous FKK Sharks but recent reports are not that good. Could maybe someone compare it with Wellcum? This is the last FKK I've visited few months ago.

Hard to say. Wellcum lineup was not as impressive this summer as it was before. I guess it depends on how much upselling you are able to avoid in Frankfurt, and in Frankfurt you have more nearby alternative clubs to choose from too.

[Rogue Nation]

What will you choose for few days of fun? Austrian clubs near Italian border or Frankfurt tour? I've wanted to see famous FKK Sharks but recent reports are not that good. Could maybe someone compare it with Wellcum? This is the last FKK I've visited few months ago.

I've never been to any Austrian club. Simply for the bad reputation they have around service.

[Mr Ho]

I think it is useful to add a bit of perspective to your assertions, at least for the uninformed.

The US has a very large prostitution market. Like Hungry said, personally I find I need to spend $400-$600 an hour to get what I have long called "Montreal-type escorts" in the USA. Young, hot, BBBJ ladies that maintain action for the entire hour. But they are out there in the US. They are now generally independent escorts with their own webpages or advertising now on international platforms. A guy agrees to some screening and buys their time and companionship, not sex. I have never seen any law enforcement activity against them since they screen to keep the cops away. Plus they don't fit into the US law enforcement propaganda machine on this subject matter, since they earn well and are in business for themselves. If other guys find this same quality for less, more power to them. But there is a lot of law enforcement activity at the lower price levels in the US, and plenty of skanks, druggies, and grandmas when the price goes too low (by US standards)..

How is Vegas brothel? I went to Las Vegas, but I did not go to brothels there or in the region.

Are line up as young and beautiful as German FKK at Nevada brothels or?

[DonDonato]

What will you choose for few days of fun? Austrian clubs near Italian border or Frankfurt tour? I've wanted to see famous FKK Sharks but recent reports are not that good. Could maybe someone compare it with Wellcum? This is the last FKK I've visited few months ago.

[Mongerer88]

I think it is useful to add a bit of perspective to your assertions, at least for the uninformed.

The US has a very large prostitution market. Like Hungry said, personally I find I need to spend $400-$600 an hour to get what I have long called "Montreal-type escorts" in the USA. Young, hot, BBBJ ladies that maintain action for the entire hour. But they are out there in the US. They are now generally independent escorts with their own webpages or advertising now on international platforms. A guy agrees to some screening and buys their time and companionship, not sex. I have never seen any law enforcement activity against them since they screen to keep the cops away. Plus they don't fit into the US law enforcement propaganda machine on this subject matter, since they earn well and are in business for themselves. If other guys find this same quality for less, more power to them. But there is a lot of law enforcement activity at the lower price levels in the US, and plenty of skanks, druggies, and grandmas when the price goes too low (by US standards).

https://prostitution.procon.org/view...stionID=000095

I consistently read estimates that $14-$20 billion is spent annually on sex work in the US, which is a lot of sex that is purchased without too many public floggings. I certainly don't object to anyone heading to greener pastures overseas, I do plenty of that myself, but I think we should give an accurate description of the US sex market, just like you did with the US education system. Johnny can read and Sally can fuck really good if you pay her enough (and Sally can also read).

My beef with a lot of the guys who just post in the FKK section of ISG is that they seem to imply that all other countries and all other methods of obtaining commercial sex are inferior. Kind of like CrossFit, the exercise program. Other people get exercise, too, they just do it differently.

A lot of US guys have sex workers they see at home, and they still enjoy foreign trips to a wide variety of places where safely obtaining the same services generally offered at $400-600 an hour in the US, is significantly less expensive. Most US guys I converse with go to a great variety of places and enjoy the unique recreational opportunities offered by each. Every locality has its own charms, whether it be beaches, museums, mountains, etc. I know plenty of guys who love to vary their travels between Brazil, Canada, Colombia, Czech Republic, Germany, Mexico, Spain, Portugal, Thailand, United Kingdom, etc, in addition to seeing their favorites in various US cities. They learn how this industry works in each country and enjoy what each country has to offer. I always hear those guys say favorable things about Germany, but I rarely hear them say it is the only source they want for this. I suspect there are plenty of Johns all over Europe who enjoy this activity even if they don't make it to the FKKs.

I think you may feel differently if you were stuck in US 😀128512;.

In so many places on this planet, legal local mongering is not even an option. How are they supposed to monger locally, when the risk is a fine, a prison sentence, a lashing or getting your hands chopped off?

Mongering is legal, or at least plentiful and more easily within reach in so many neighboring countries of Germany and yet they all go to DE. Is it any wonder Americans and Asians travel from so far? If money and time were not an object, even more would be there.

At least speaking for just myself, I still get as much thrill watching all the bare tits, ass and pussy on parade on the 5th day of my trip as on the first day. And I have a dull ache when I have been away from the clubs for a while and the best memories I have of the last decade are all related to my FKK visits and not about how much money I made or any other useless things.

[Bfsie]

Jnpr30,

Obviously we have different views. I knew the points you wrote before I wrote my post, but I don't want to get into another lengthy discussion here. Let's let the readers decide what to take from our posts.

[Member #4581]

I think you may feel differently if you were stuck in US 😀128512;.

In so many places on this planet, legal local mongering is not even an option. How are they supposed to monger locally, when the risk is a fine, a prison sentence, a lashing or getting your hands chopped off?

Mongering is legal, or at least plentiful and more easily within reach in so many neighboring countries of Germany and yet they all go to DE. Is it any wonder Americans and Asians travel from so far? If money and time were not an object, even more would be there.

At least speaking for just myself, I still get as much thrill watching all the bare tits, ass and pussy on parade on the 5th day of my trip as on the first day. And I have a dull ache when I have been away from the clubs for a while and the best memories I have of the last decade are all related to my FKK visits and not about how much money I made or any other useless things.

My view on mongering internationally may be different from most readers and posters here. My view is that a monger should mainly monger locally and international mongering should only be supplementary if it is necessary.

The reason is that human being is not like lion or some other animals which can ejaculate more than 10 times a day for several consecutive days and then rest several months without any ejaculation. The discussion about domestic vs international mongering so far misses an important element of mongering, that is the quality of sex, particularly the quality of sex in second, third or even fourth session of the day. Ask yourself how much pleasure you can get from second, third or fourth session of the day compared to first session of the day and ask yourself how much pleasure you can get from second, third or further day compared to first day of your international mongering trip. I don't have to say anything and you know the answer well.

Personally I was never an international monger and never will.

[Member #4581]

Sorry, those snips about US education are just more of America bashing and do not merit much consideration. Our millennials and our gen Z are doing as well as those in any other place. The Japanese have their own issues, most of the young men (hikkomori) have lost their mojo, staying unmarried and without even sex, too addicted to their video games, and working in non permanent jobs. As for Finland, they score well in high school math tests but that doesn't translate into any technology prowess. The one tech company they had ie Nokia mobiles went bust and bought by MsFt. America still has the most vibrant new company formation, still the best Universities, and so many engineers all over the world want to come here to work.


https://www.zdnet.com/article/japans-digital-millennials-are-losing-their-mojo/


https://money.cnn.com/2017/04/13/news/economy/europe-youth-unemployment-france/index.html


And I don't understand the link between education and voting. Are you saying voting should be denied if they don't have a degreee or pass some test of sufficient literacy and intelligence? Not only does that sound so elitist, it is a sure way of starting a new French Revolution in the 21st century.

Italian young men and women apparently spend endless years in universities because their job scene is so broken and nepotism is rampant. They are probably much more knowledgeable about government and Fed and everything else compared to American young men and women. That hardly made the Italian government a model of envy neither did their economy prosper. The gap between US per capital GDP to most large nations in europe has continuously expanded over time.

https://knoema.com/sijweyg/world-gdp-per-capita-ranking-2017-data-and-charts-forecast