German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[McAdonis]

Here is a pretty good economic analysis showing why Americans can so often fly to Europe and do like eight ladies at an FKK.

Just given the distance, I do not think many Americans are in the FKKs. Although around an American holiday weekend at Sharks, it might seem that way. But even then, American mongers would be less than 10 percent. Their average daily spend is without a doubt higher. There are many Americans that have the financial means to fly to Europe, but that does not mean they actually do it. Most mongers prefer to monger locally, regardless of income. Swiss are richer than Americans and more proximal to German FKKs, but you won't find that many Swiss license plates at Sharks. Hardcore mongers like us who travel immense distances and spend consecutive days in a club are anomalies. We are the one percent of one percent of the one percent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_average_wage

And if you peruse the chart from the Pew Report, you'll notice that a lot of middle-class Europeans would be lower-income if they lived in the United States."

But it also explains why so many less wealthy persons in the USA Complain about their circumstances (although I doubt many of them are jetting to Europe and buying sex).

"And if you looked at the issue from the other perspective, as I did last year, many poor Americans would be middle class if they lived in Europe."

For the top twenty percent of Americans, life is undoubtedly good. But if we compare the average American against the average German, I think the wage gap shrinks considerably when we look beyond just the numbers:

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/...y-around-world

After taxes, average American makes $52344 while average German makes $29658, which is a delta of $22686. First, these are averages not medians, and we should expect that America's billionaires skew that average more so than their German counterparts. Second, average American works 1768 hours while average German works 1363 hours. Third, Americans pay significantly more for healthcare, child care, university etc. Fourth, Americans receive less unemployment benefits, sick and maternity leave.

American system puts onus on the individual whereas German system forces the individual to contribute to a litany of compulsory insurances. I would say the average person, whether it be in America or Germany, is not financially literate nor are they adept at mitigating risks. In America, it is probably prudent to have 3-6 months worth of expenses in an emergency bank account. That would be less of a concern in a country with a robust social safety net. So that average American with a net salary of $52344, could get fired without notice. What percentage of their net pay would he get for unemployment? How many months would that unemployment benefit last? The average German would get 60 percent of their net (67 percent of their net if parent) for a period of twelve months. https://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp...4557&langId=en.

[Mursenary]

Took a while to parse through that article as it seems that when it comes to subjects of economics, the experts in that field always seem to be creating some abstract variable or new index to evaluate difficult to quantify metrics like "quality of life" and "economic freedom."

Hopefully I'm reading it right but it does seem that looking at what PEW determines as disposable income, that the USA is doing quite well. When I speak about incomes with Europeans, it does seem that their standard of a high income is much lower that what typical Americans consider high.

But are these metrics accurate when considering out of pocket costs to live the standard in America? Does disposable income factor the lack of safety net in the US? I'm not so sure Europeans have to save as much for retirement in private 401K type funds in order to ensure you can fund the golden years. Tertiary education is another major life expense that Americans have to account for. Obviously healthcare is another huge out of pocket cost. Then there are all of what the article cites as "punitive" costs and fees. It seems like American institutions nickle and dime you for every little transaction and administrative fee, adding on Sales tax at the point of sale, paying a company's salary with the tipping culture, etc, etc, etc. Ever compare speeding tickets in the US compared to average European ones? It's highway robbery here!

It makes me wonder how much validity there is to this claim that we over here enjoy a higher standard of living. I do agree with the economic freedom assertion. Less taxes means more cash in the pockets. I remember when I made the decision to not carry health insurance at one point to save money, I had that option. Don't want to go to college? Cool no cost there. It seems that perhaps we benefit from an a la carte system while in Europe they have an all inclusive price tag where if you don't use it, you lose it.

Here is a pretty good economic analysis showing why Americans can so often fly to Europe and do like eight ladies at an FKK.

https://fee.org/articles/thanks-to-e...ard-of-living/

"The main thing to understand is that there's a big difference between being middle class in a rich country and being middle class in a not-so-rich country.

And if you peruse the chart from the Pew Report, you'll notice that a lot of middle-class Europeans would be lower-income if they lived in the United States."

But it also explains why so many less wealthy persons in the USA Complain about their circumstances (although I doubt many of them are jetting to Europe and buying sex)..

[Mr Ho]

Stop this stupid nonsense.

[Mongerer88]

Here is a pretty good economic analysis showing why Americans can so often fly to Europe and do like eight ladies at an FKK.

https://fee.org/articles/thanks-to-e...ard-of-living/

"The main thing to understand is that there's a big difference between being middle class in a rich country and being middle class in a not-so-rich country.

And if you peruse the chart from the Pew Report, you'll notice that a lot of middle-class Europeans would be lower-income if they lived in the United States."

But it also explains why so many less wealthy persons in the USA Complain about their circumstances (although I doubt many of them are jetting to Europe and buying sex).

"And if you looked at the issue from the other perspective, as I did last year, many poor Americans would be middle class if they lived in Europe."

But still, you will never escape this simple fact:

"That being said, notice that the bottom 10 percent of Americans would be middle class (or above!) if they lived in other nations. " (And that would certainly include Romania, where so many of the FKK ladies come from).

[Mr Ho]

There are plenty who have other than the tanned look, and I have fucked many. Mr. Ho, please stop saying that all Romanian women are tanned and / or look like gypsies. Absolutely not true. I wish I could post a pic of one Romanian girl I remain in contact with now, but I promised to never show her face in a place like this. I'm keeping that promise. If I find an appropriate pic of her to post, I will.

I agree, I have fucked blonde white stunner level Romanian beauty in LR with natural tit, I wrote about her before here!

[ExpatLover]

No reason a couple of men cannot talk under the shower, not unless some homophobia is going on. I'm fine in Berlin sex clubs fucking totally in the open, and a few times tagged team girls with other guys simultaneously enjoying them, all good clean fun. One blonde German girl had a young german guy do her doggy when she game me a Olympic medal level BJ, giggling and say "zehr gut?" with cum in the corner of her sweet lips. Even came to the bar for an underberg and we all have a good chat and laugh. In summer, at Oase, I've seen a couple in the open and maybe a dozen guys watching and other WG's trying to get the watchers horny and then a few joined in, a serious Roman orgy, but nothing compared to Berlin.

As to the women, one they take their clothes off they are pretty similar, sex for us! My own experience is that lying down, eyes closed, concentrating on my breathing, delicate female fingers caressing my balls and not talking as their mouth is completely full of cock, and I am now and then imagining them spread eagled and fucking them, gypsy, whatever, does not matter.

Two vaccines announced I am hot to trot, a fence post in my pants and a lot of pent up horniness I plan to expend on some beauties in FKKs next year to make up lost time. Who else plans to have a total debauched tour ? Post covid, everything is more precious, it may be our last, when the going gets hard the hard gets going (snicker).

And what about if the Covid vaccine will be as efficient as the one for the flu, how many people I know who already catched the flu even they got the vaccine? I believe that the vaccine will bring a certain level of protection, herd immunity will bring another, social distancing, wearing masks, washing your hand another one too, but probably we will have to live with that virus and at one moment in one place 1 or several cluster will pop up for unknown reasons.

[Rocky V]

Two vaccines announced I am hot to trot, a fence post in my pants and a lot of pent up horniness I plan to expend on some beauties in FKKs next year to make up lost time. Who else plans to have a total debauched tour ?

Oh yeah, as soon as this shit is over, I'll get on the first flight to Frankfurt as I need to make up of the time lost in 2020! I miss the 'zimmer baby?' and 'do you want to know what I make in the room' deep conversations with the girls! In the meantime, I keep fit and eat healthily!

[Mr Ho]

No reason a couple of men cannot talk under the shower, not unless some homophobia is going on.

Yes, as long as clothes are on LOL!

[BigBuddy69]

The joke escapes you. Again.

Too busy picking up the soap.

[Sirioja]

There are plenty who have other than the tanned look, and I have fucked many. Mr. Ho, please stop saying that all Romanian women are tanned and / or look like gypsies. Absolutely not true. I wish I could post a pic of one Romanian girl I remain in contact with now, but I promised to never show her face in a place like this. I'm keeping that promise. If I find an appropriate pic of her to post, I will.

Some Romanian girls look like Russians, when many guys think or call them all gypsy. I found some Romanian real beauties, from milky skin to gypsy, and some so enjoyable in bed to give me will to return weekly and drive more than 1000 kms every week end for months, for 1 year, meeting some since 6 years. Without Romanians, German WGs would not work for 50/30 rate. Wonder if GT or Artemis German WGs who moved to Switzerland will return for German rates, even some seem to charge at Artemis as expensive as at Globe.

[Mursenary]

No reason a couple of men cannot talk under the shower, not unless some homophobia is going on.

The joke was his weird, overly detailed recounting of the bathing event. Maybe it was just my weird sense of humor. Mea Culpa.

[Pahllus Maximus]

No reason a couple of men cannot talk under the shower, not unless some homophobia is going on. I'm fine in Berlin sex clubs fucking totally in the open, and a few times tagged team girls with other guys simultaneously enjoying them, all good clean fun. One blonde German girl had a young german guy do her doggy when she game me a Olympic medal level BJ, giggling and say "zehr gut?" with cum in the corner of her sweet lips. Even came to the bar for an underberg and we all have a good chat and laugh. In summer, at Oase, I've seen a couple in the open and maybe a dozen guys watching and other WG's trying to get the watchers horny and then a few joined in, a serious Roman orgy, but nothing compared to Berlin.

As to the women, one they take their clothes off they are pretty similar, sex for us! My own experience is that lying down, eyes closed, concentrating on my breathing, delicate female fingers caressing my balls and not talking as their mouth is completely full of cock, and I am now and then imagining them spread eagled and fucking them, gypsy, whatever, does not matter.

Two vaccines announced I am hot to trot, a fence post in my pants and a lot of pent up horniness I plan to expend on some beauties in FKKs next year to make up lost time. Who else plans to have a total debauched tour ? Post covid, everything is more precious, it may be our last, when the going gets hard the hard gets going (snicker).

[Mr Ho]

When I first started to hobby regularly in Europe over 15 years ago I used to avoid Romanian girls going mostly with Germans, Polish, Czech, Ukrainian, Russian girls. However, with these girls becoming less and less available I started going with Romanians more and more and I have grown very fond of them to the extent that I do not so much miss the other nationalities.

I do miss other nationalities as I tend to like varieties of stunners to fuck in one single day, which I was fortunate enough to experience till early 2010's, but I also do both German etc that are now minorities and Romanian that are majorities, one thing is for sure is I only go with stunner level beauties that are so hard to find nowadays, but still manage!

I do miss old days when stunners at least around 3 can be found every single day in FKK, in my case it was Artemis, now I only find one! Or if lucky 2!

[Mursenary]

Under shower, I don't need to rush, nor to hide my size. Funny to see girls looking.

The joke escapes you. Again.

[Sirioja]

This reads like a sleezy romance novel women read. I was waiting for the part where the dark hand handsome stranger caressed his breasts from behind.

Under shower, I don't need to rush, nor to hide my size. Funny to see girls looking.