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[Pistons]

Ridiculous, insulting, and disrespectful to people who spend the better part of a decade training in order to be able to deliver safe medical care. There is no hoarding of information as everything a physician knows can be googled like you suggest. However, the application of medicine is more complicated than you obviously give credit. Have fun parsing throughing differential diagnoses after wading through clinical symptoms while integrating them with imaging and laboratory data. Assuming you made the right diagnosis with doctor google, then enjoy googling your way through medications to pick the most appropriate treatment while avoiding side effects and medical interaction. And that's just general practice medicine without accounting for a need for interventions and rehab.

This is a juvenile statement indeed and shows a complete lack of understanding of modern medical complexity.

I get your point, but that is what Doctor Watson is for. Machine learning can do those tasks far better than any human being. Anyway, it was an example that can be used for almost, if not every profession out there.

I still don't think you follow my way of thought on the polygamous approach. And unless you do, it is like the discussion hits right past. So it is useless.

[Mr Ho]

Ridiculous, insulting, and disrespectful to people who spend the better part of a decade training in order to be able to deliver safe medical care. There is no hoarding of information as everything a physician knows can be googled like you suggest. However, the application of medicine is more complicated than you obviously give credit. Have fun parsing throughing differential diagnoses after wading through clinical symptoms while integrating them with imaging and laboratory data. Assuming you made the right diagnosis with doctor google, then enjoy googling your way through medications to pick the most appropriate treatment while avoiding side effects and medical interaction. And that's just general practice medicine without accounting for a need for interventions and rehab.

This is a juvenile statement indeed and shows a complete lack of understanding of modern medical complexity.

I understood that you are in health care business and I am not, but I tend to give a lot of respect for certain occupations that actually help people like doctors as you mentioned. In one way, prostitutes too because they give men life lasting memories that we may not forget and as I said before I respect some girls I met in FKK for being / remaining really good heart person in such a hard situation they must be in life.

However, we get this in this sex forum a lot, but this is sex forum, so I think it is not right place to discuss moral or how some mongers are right human being than others in FKK or how some monger do not understand medical complexity of modern world etc.

This is sex forum and as much as some may like to think they are prompt than others, we are all in same cave and we are here to discuss sex, brothels, and related topics and only medical care I care related to FKK or sex forum is std and some wonderful medicines like Cialis LOL.

Beautiful prostitutes are my doctors too, they keep me sane in this insane world and gives me memories that echoes in eternity, I think right beautiful prostitutes fix more mental side of health than doctors can and in part, they even fix physical side too.

[HeyyyyyyPaul]

I'm a fly in monger and don't have a hard budget but my yearly expenditure always comes out to around $25-30 K USD including travel and logistics. That's a respectable sum of money on this hobby but also a bit modest because that figure includes side excursions to non-mongering destinations. I'm pretty frugal with my accommodations and balance expensive Hessen days with cheaper days in clubs like Acapulco. I've never spent more than this on this hobby and foresee myself spending less as I find myself doing less and less girls every year because I spend more and more rooms with known commodities rather than trying as many girls as possible.

As for money directly spent in clubs, my average spend per day has reduced from 500 USD (plus or minus 100 USD) to around 350 USD (plus or minus 150 USD) for 40-50 club visits per year. I'm attempting to reduce my visits to around 35 days in 2019.

25 k a year just on the FKK scene?

Respectable.

[Polyamorist]

I don't think this is jealousy; they were mad just because they wanted that money spent on them rather than another girl.

Exactly! It's a form of superficial jealousy which is really self-interest disguised as jealousy: but all forms of jealousy boil down to selfishness ultimately.

In economics, monopolistic tactics artificially twist the market to favor the threatening party. Monogamy works the same way! In fact, I think corporations study the tactics of women to get a better grip on their employees and that is why they will get female HR managers. You will see the same tactics like intermittent punishments for barely understood transgressions.

[Trombone]

I've had girls get mad at me when they saw me with another girl. The fact that these jealous girls didn't know anything about me -- and sometimes couldn't even remember my name -- really drives home the point that jealousy is not Other-directed at all. It is all about Self and Ego.

I don't think this is jealousy; they were mad just because they wanted that money spent on them rather than another girl.

[Takedown]

For example, the doctor cartel would share their library of studies with the rest of us, and doctor (ibm) Watson would be prescribing us medicines as there would not be a need to hide information any longer in trade for pyrite (fiat currency). And possibly gene tech would make us resistant. Because why study medicine if not to help people from getting sick? Why instead would doctors charge huge amounts of pyrite for 10 minutes of their database googling time?.

Ridiculous, insulting, and disrespectful to people who spend the better part of a decade training in order to be able to deliver safe medical care. There is no hoarding of information as everything a physician knows can be googled like you suggest. However, the application of medicine is more complicated than you obviously give credit. Have fun parsing throughing differential diagnoses after wading through clinical symptoms while integrating them with imaging and laboratory data. Assuming you made the right diagnosis with doctor google, then enjoy googling your way through medications to pick the most appropriate treatment while avoiding side effects and medical interaction. And that's just general practice medicine without accounting for a need for interventions and rehab.

This is a juvenile statement indeed and shows a complete lack of understanding of modern medical complexity.

[The Cane]

What's not to get? As mongers, I think we all have to judge ourselves outside of societal norms. You can be respectful without being a white knight. Respect is just not being a shitty human being to other human beings and not believing that the prostitute is somehow a lower form of life than you.

Yeah duh! We get that part. So, does a guy who goes on and on about how he respects women (when seemingly so many others don't according to him) turns around and seeks to perform ATM (ass-to-mouth) sex with a prostitute, is that somebody who truly respects women? Or just a sanctimonious somebody holding himself out to be better than virtually everybody else when he isn't so, and may be even worse in some respects? I think the latter. That was my point.

[ExpatLover]

I'm a fly in monger and don't have a hard budget but my yearly expenditure always comes out to around $25-30 K USD including travel and logistics. That's a respectable sum of money on this hobby but also a bit modest because that figure includes side excursions to non-mongering destinations. I'm pretty frugal with my accommodations and balance expensive Hessen days with cheaper days in clubs like Acapulco. I've never spent more than this on this hobby and foresee myself spending less as I find myself doing less and less girls every year because I spend more and more rooms with known commodities rather than trying as many girls as possible.

As for money directly spent in clubs, my average spend per day has reduced from 500 USD (plus or minus 100 USD) to around 350 USD (plus or minus 150 USD) for 40-50 club visits per year. I'm attempting to reduce my visits to around 35 days in 2019.

I guess that many of us are doing the same, I drastically reduced my expenses in clubs just because the possibilities to spend my money are less and less attractive, I will not spend money on Brenda or Mandy, Melanie, EMA. Only speaking from Shark's girls, I don t like those kind of veteran prostitutes going with everyone. Hopefully I am getting some great experiences with amateur girls in Germany, it is more challenging and time consuming than to go to a club but the experiences are far far better at least for me, I am a bit tired from those over fucked and washed FKK girls pussies.

[Mr Ho]

Well said!

And also, I don't think I defined in which direction the aid I mentioned was directed. In a certain amount of cases, the aid would be from the girl towards the guy. As the guy is most likely the one requiring the sex the most from a biological standpoint (correct me if I am wrong). As sex works as an immune system boost. Probably in a majority of the cases for a long time as our genes catch up in certain aspects. But in the context here on ISG I believe the original question was if it was OK for me from a richer European country to somehow take advantage of people from a poorer European country. And then aid is a way of macroeconomic income distribution from my pack to theirs. Us mongers in FKK's from rich countries are kind of like Robin Hoods, taking from a rich country, and giving to the poorer countries. As we take our currency out of circulation within a rich country and injects it into a poorer.

The fools gold we pay them with (currency) would truly turn into pyrite in a polygamous society as there would not even be the need for a monetary system..

Some people has more flexible brain with ability to think with themselves, others do not and keep on mantra of what society implant them to think and say like an organic robots.

FKK are there to fuck girls and some may use it for escape from their relationship like marriage etc and some others are professional mongers all the way just interested in fucking many beautiful young girls without any string attached.

[Pistons]

Jazakallah, Pistons. Monogamy encourages possessiveness and jealousy which is selfish. FKKs are supposed to be monogamy-free environments, but the influence of the surrounding monogamous culture can be crushing. I've had girls get mad at me when they saw me with another girl. The fact that these jealous girls didn't know anything about me -- and sometimes couldn't even remember my name -- really drives home the point that jealousy is not Other-directed at all. It is all about Self and Ego.

Well said!

And also, I don't think I defined in which direction the aid I mentioned was directed. In a certain amount of cases, the aid would be from the girl towards the guy. As the guy is most likely the one requiring the sex the most from a biological standpoint (correct me if I am wrong). As sex works as an immune system boost. Probably in a majority of the cases for a long time as our genes catch up in certain aspects. But in the context here on ISG I believe the original question was if it was OK for me from a richer European country to somehow take advantage of people from a poorer European country. And then aid is a way of macroeconomic income distribution from my pack to theirs. Us mongers in FKK's from rich countries are kind of like Robin Hoods, taking from a rich country, and giving to the poorer countries. As we take our currency out of circulation within a rich country and injects it into a poorer.

The fools gold we pay them with (currency) would truly turn into pyrite in a polygamous society as there would not even be the need for a monetary system.

For example, the doctor cartel would share their library of studies with the rest of us, and doctor (ibm) Watson would be prescribing us medicines as there would not be a need to hide information any longer in trade for pyrite (fiat currency). And possibly gene tech would make us resistant. Because why study medicine if not to help people from getting sick? Why instead would doctors charge huge amounts of pyrite for 10 minutes of their database googling time? Where is the passion for work really at? In digging for more pyrite? Or in making people healthy? And which god is the most righteous? The god that spurs health without a cost? Or the god that spurs affection anything that glimmers? Even the fools gold.

[Takedown]

Jazakallah, Pistons. Monogamy encourages possessiveness and jealousy which is selfish. FKKs are supposed to be monogamy-free environments, but the influence of the surrounding monogamous culture can be crushing. I've had girls get mad at me when they saw me with another girl. The fact that these jealous girls didn't know anything about me -- and sometimes couldn't even remember my name -- really drives home the point that jealousy is not Other-directed at all. It is all about Self and Ego.

I'm willing to bet that there is a strong and direct correlation between people who see the merits of monogamy and the ability to make strong emotional connections with others. I'm also willing to bet that the opposite is true.

[Takedown]

Do you have a budget for P4 P? Or do you just let the chips fall? Is your budget stable or escalating (or decreasing). What is your yearly budget? Anyone care to share?

I'm a fly in monger and don't have a hard budget but my yearly expenditure always comes out to around $25-30 K USD including travel and logistics. That's a respectable sum of money on this hobby but also a bit modest because that figure includes side excursions to non-mongering destinations. I'm pretty frugal with my accommodations and balance expensive Hessen days with cheaper days in clubs like Acapulco. I've never spent more than this on this hobby and foresee myself spending less as I find myself doing less and less girls every year because I spend more and more rooms with known commodities rather than trying as many girls as possible.

As for money directly spent in clubs, my average spend per day has reduced from 500 USD (plus or minus 100 USD) to around 350 USD (plus or minus 150 USD) for 40-50 club visits per year. I'm attempting to reduce my visits to around 35 days in 2019.

[Polyamorist]

4. A socio-economic prejudice is a term derived from differences in the society. Differences in the society is based on selfishness. Selfishness in turn based on individualism. Individualism based on a monogamous persons drive to pass his own genes onwards instead of the pack's.

Jazakallah, Pistons. Monogamy encourages possessiveness and jealousy which is selfish. FKKs are supposed to be monogamy-free environments, but the influence of the surrounding monogamous culture can be crushing. I've had girls get mad at me when they saw me with another girl. The fact that these jealous girls didn't know anything about me -- and sometimes couldn't even remember my name -- really drives home the point that jealousy is not Other-directed at all. It is all about Self and Ego.

[Takedown]

As usual, I have a difficult time connecting the dots in your logical train without having to make many assumptions while applying a large spoonful of cognitive dissonance. The first 2 points seem to be random thoughts so I'll leave you to it. The rest, in short, you claim that arrogance, prejudice, individualism, sexism, and ethnocentrism are due directly as a consequence of monogamy. I see no logical proof or even a logical roadmap to those claims. The claim that with polygamy, women would not charge? No. Attractive women will still prefer to sleep with attractive men, whatever attractive may mean. And the unattractive men will still pay to sleep with attractive women. It seems that you are implying that deprivation of sex leads to all vices. No. I am certainly more of a complicated organism than that. Having a month long mongering trip after which I no longer even desire sex, do I still have my feelings of arrogance, sexism, and prejudice? Admittingly so. We are more than our carnal desires for sex. Short of Mr Ho and PolyAm who also make many extreme unverifiable claims, I don't see anyone of logical mind who would share these extremist viewpoints.

1. Maybe in the case of the doctor, it should be a reversal. And by being nice the doctor should be the one providing the aid.

2. Maybe the chef should make meals en masse for lots of people, and instead of the waitress indirectly begging for tips, the visitors should get their food on their own.

[Steve 9696]

Do you have a budget for P4 P? Or do you just let the chips fall? Is your budget stable or escalating (or decreasing). What is your yearly budget? Anyone care to share?