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[Turgid]

Last year I have been with 49 different girls in Sharks (almost half the line-up). I would say that the 25% flop is quite just. .....

Actually this is my experience from my 15 years of FKK indulgence. It is quite high in my international experience. Up there with the Dominican Republic and India. Compare this to Brazil (5% flop) and Colombia (10% flop), Thailand (15% flop), and El Salvador (0% flop - 1 trip though), for example.

[Hyperion2007]

Peruse the German boards, service is a flop at Sharks somewhere between 25 to 40 percent of the time.
- I sort of agree to this assessment. I also think that the risk can be reduced to 5- 10% (maybe less) simply by asking the girl of her services before agreeing to a session. Many girls at Sharks underperform, but most of them are honest about it if you ask (the 2017 law in your face right there). Somewhat interesting is that the service that mostly fail at Sharks is DFK.

Last year I have been with 49 different girls in Sharks (almost half the line-up). I would say that the 25% flop is quite just. Outside of the big Swiss clubs I really doubt that you will find a better ratio anywhere. Or maybe in a club with less than 10 girls, but those places are of no interest for me.

If you don't do a little bit of questioning of the girls before going to the room then I can see how you could end up at 40%. From my experiences and talks with other customers, DFK is indeed the most important service that some girls refuse, the other one is licking. The big problem for the men for whom those services are mandatory are that some girls will tell yes in the main room, but in the bedroom you feel that they are not into it at all and it kills the mood.

[Abox79]

Clodius' response got lost in another thread. I copy it here as Clodius raise some interesting points worth discussing:

My two cents:

Sharks prices almost comparable to Globe at this point?
- When "lucky" I assume you can get "Globe quality" for 100 E /30, or even better 150 E /60, at Sharks. I am not up to date, but I believe that is a 35- 50% discount on Globe prices? And the main reason that we all don't book Zurich flights.

Peruse the German boards, service is a flop at Sharks somewhere between 25 to 40 percent of the time.
- I sort of agree to this assessment. I also think that the risk can be reduced to 5- 10% (maybe less) simply by asking the girl of her services before agreeing to a session. Many girls at Sharks underperform, but most of them are honest about it if you ask (the 2017 law in your face right there). Somewhat interesting is that the service that mostly fail at Sharks is DFK.

The GT success model. They held the line on prices / service because they wanted access to its particular clientele that the club drew in from NE and BEL. Maybe BS, maybe not.
- No clear answer from me. But the fact is that over the last 20 years (at least) the Hessen clubs have always been around 25% more expensive than the NRW. Generally speaking. Venus was even cheaper, I believe. Only Bavaria and Hamburg have a tradition for being more expensive (and less serviceorientated) than Hessen.

Thanks for this Sharks16, you raise some good points, as does Clodius and others. Clearly this is a very emotive subject that people have strong opinions about and that's a good thing. It's a great pity that the Oase / Sharks girls (maybe others) raised their prices by up to 100%, as has been stated often (by some on a regular basis) the girls are wandering around trying to get business more than they have done in the past so you'd think they would have had the common sense to restrict any rise to a more realistic level, for example 60 or 70 for 30 minutes. I think we'd all agree on that. The one thing I like about the Globe 'model' is that you know what the service levels are for a set price. I wish the same was true for German FKK, I hate having to go through the 'clarifying' questions each and every time but I am glad I do because I get replies like "it's 100 for 30 minutes and that doesn't include BBBJ or FK" from girls in Oase and Sharks.

We can only hope that the penny finally drops for the girls in the clubs that are now 100/30 and 150/60. Until then each of us decides to either accept it or not, but I doubt that even if every ISG member that visits Oase / Sharks swore allegiance to not go until the prices dropped would have and effect.

[Abox79]

Clodius' response got lost in another thread. I copy it here as Clodius raise some interesting points worth discussing:

My two cents:

Sharks prices almost comparable to Globe at this point?
- When "lucky" I assume you can get "Globe quality" for 100 E /60, or even better 150 E /60, at Sharks. I am not up to date, but I believe that is a 35- 50% discount on Globe prices? And the main reason that we all don't book Zurich flights.

Peruse the German boards, service is a flop at Sharks somewhere between 25 to 40 percent of the time.
- I sort of agree to this assessment. I also think that the risk can be reduced to 5- 10% (maybe less) simply by asking the girl of her services before agreeing to a session. Many girls at Sharks underperform, but they are honest about it if you ask (the 2017 law in your face right there). Somewhat interesting is that the service that mostly fail at Sharks is DFK.

The GT success model. They held the line on prices / service because they wanted access to its particular clientele that the club drew in from NE and BEL. Maybe BS, maybe not.
- No clear answer from me. But the fact is that over the last 20 years (at least) the Hessen clubs have always been around 25% more expensive than the NRW. Generally speaking. Venus was even cheaper, I believe. Only Bavaria and Hamburg have a tradition for being more expensive (and less serviceorientated) than Hessen.

Thanks for this Sharks16, you raise some good points, as does Clodius and others. Clearly this is a very emotive subject that people have strong opinions about and that's a good thing. It's a great pity that the Oase / Sharks girls (maybe others) raised their prices by up to 100%, as has been stated often (by some on a regular basis) the girls are wandering around trying to get business more than they have done in the past so you'd think they would have had the common sense to restrict any rise to a more realistic level, for example 60 or 70 for 30 minutes. I think we'd all agree on that. The one thing I like about the Globe 'model' is that you know what the service levels are for a set price. I wish the same was true for German FKK, I hate having to go through the 'clarifying' questions each and every time but I am glad I do because I get replies like "it's 100 for 30 minutes and that doesn't include BBBJ or FK" from girls in Oase and Sharks.

We can only hope that the penny finally drops for the girls in the clubs that are now 100/30 and 150/60. Until then each of us decides to either accept it or not, but I doubt that even if every ISG member that visits Oase / Sharks swore allegiance to not go until the prices dropped would have and effect.

[Shark16]

Clodius' response got lost in another thread. I copy it here as Clodius raise some interesting points worth discussing:

Agree with EA on this, prices are BSC after the kung flu, as if the 2017 law didn't F things up quite enough. Sharks prices almost comparable to Globe at this point? Then why risk Sharks bad service when you can get solid service at Globe? Peruse the German boards, service is a flop at Sharks somewhere between 25 to 40 percent of the time. Ouch. BTW, the German OP with the lengthy 2017 diatribe supra is full of shit. Yes, 2017 did FU the FKK scene quite a bit, but that does not explain how the OP at GT successfully held the line for price / performance until the covi--the closure. I've heard elsewhere that it was SPs that were responsible for the GT success model. They held the line on prices / service because they wanted access to its particular clientele that the club drew in from NE and BEL. Maybe BS, maybe not.

Separate Q for EA, didn't you crash a Venus club in the NRW? Was it the one in Duisburg or Hamminkeln?

My two cents:

Sharks prices almost comparable to Globe at this point?
- When "lucky" I assume you can get "Globe quality" for 100 E /30, or even better 150 E /60, at Sharks. I am not up to date, but I believe that is a 35- 50% discount on Globe prices? And the main reason that we all don't book Zurich flights.

Peruse the German boards, service is a flop at Sharks somewhere between 25 to 40 percent of the time.
- I sort of agree to this assessment. I also think that the risk can be reduced to 5- 10% (maybe less) simply by asking the girl of her services before agreeing to a session. Many girls at Sharks underperform, but most of them are honest about it if you ask (the 2017 law in your face right there). Somewhat interesting is that the service that mostly fail at Sharks is DFK.

The GT success model. They held the line on prices / service because they wanted access to its particular clientele that the club drew in from NE and BEL. Maybe BS, maybe not.
- No clear answer from me. But the fact is that over the last 20 years (at least) the Hessen clubs have always been around 25% more expensive than the NRW. Generally speaking. Venus was even cheaper, I believe. Only Bavaria and Hamburg have a tradition for being more expensive (and less serviceorientated) than Hessen.

[PaulInZurich]

Ok, it seems I'm not on top of world events as I should be. I did not understand his reference to Macron and Xi.

Macron visited China to give Xi a blowjob. "Macron said that it was important for Brussels to "understand" China's reasoning when it comes to Taiwan. " While swallowing, in his mind he still has the delusion that France is a global power, but then delusions are a national malaise.

In the meantime in Paris you don't step only in the "normal" dog shit on the streets, now you can as well run slalom along the unpicked garbage.

[Sirioja]

What bullshit law are you talking about? Just curious.

Don t You know about 2017 German law? Except for registration for WGs, but a joke when BBBJ and even AO remained. Nothing changed for me after this new law, just had to explain to few girls.

[Shark16]

What bullshit law are you talking about? Just curious.

See http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2716360.

I will put a link in the FAQ section as well.

[Sirioja]

Ok, it seems I'm not on top of world events as I should be. I did not understand his reference to Macron and Xi.

Macron who helped a lot French citizens since covid, will be finished in 2027. When I find many French becoming lazy and not able for arithmetics, I would like to work as long I will be able and no problem older than 70 if I'm still alive. But from my childhood, when I love women, real shame in US about women rights, because of Trump lack of respect for women, same like Japan is very sexist culture. I m happy my little France is still number 1 for tourism, because most interesting country. No FKK, falling escorts level, stressed on our motorways when I relax in Germany, but when 100% French since many generations, I m happy to live in France with our quality of life, when I could make more money if I wanted, not impressed by median Zurich salary, but I prefer my way of life since a while.

[SlothBear11]

What bullshit law are you talking about? Just curious.

Thank you Norp for excellent trip report. I've been mongering mostly in der Schweiz ever since the bullshit German law of 2017, but I am taking a stab at NRW again next month. The haggling and up selling really turns me off. I like natural chemistry on the couch and usually just roll the dice I'm Schlafzimmer. But now I think I have to be more proactive with the haggling. Especially with these ridiculous variations in prices. Your advice is good. Also, my main target will be GG now that YY, GT, LR all kaputt. EA, if you're still out there, I'm interested in crashing that Venus club that I think you liked, but I'm confused. Is it the club in Hamminkeln oder Duisburg? Danke, Clodius.

[Sirioja]

Hi,

I am planning to visit Frankfurt next weekend and stay close to a FKK club? Any suggestions for best clubs and close by hotels to stay? Thank you.

If you mean on 15/16 April, nearly worst time when Orthodox Easter, many Romanians returning home. On this week end, I would try Sharks because of quantity of girls and if not good, Palace on Saturday evening.

[Gilliat]

Hi,

I am planning to visit Frankfurt next weekend and stay close to a FKK club? Any suggestions for best clubs and close by hotels to stay? Thank you.

Mainhattan, the palace, sharks, oase.

Mainhattan: a small club. Close to city center at least its easy to reach via tram. There is a seperated area for smookers. The club is just a simple place ı think. Nothing special. But some of mongers has their dream girls. Maybe you can try may be you can pass it. It depends on what you are looking for.

The palace: again one another club, its easy to reach by you-bahn or uber-taxi. From centre it will costs around 12-17 eur.

When you enter the club, there is reception on the right. The entrance fee is 75 euros. The main hall is very stylish, very beautiful. Medium size club. This club was also bought by the owners of the sharks. Romanians predominate. I think the place is very beautiful. But same as sharks and oase in price. It's worth going at least once. ı had indeed good sessions in this place.

Oase: I have never traveled by public transport. I used an uber taxi. It costs 25-27 euros. One of the biggest clubs. The design of the interior is novel style. The entrance is very beautiful. There are L-type sofas scattered all over the main hall. There are screens everywhere. It's always porn. The music can be too loud sometimes. I didn't like the jacuzzi sauna units. The garden was not open when I was there. Had been several times. But as far as I know the open area is very nice. A big club. Very good girls work. 100 eur for half an hour. A must see place. Nice as ambiance. You should see.

Sharks: This is the largest in its class. Mega club. It is located in Darmstadt. This place is 30-35 km from the center of frankfurt. From frankfurt train station you can take the s3 metro. You can get off at Darmstadt, then take a taxi or walk. When you enter the place: you can see that the main hall is bigger than all of them. High ceiling. Smoking is allowed inside but not too bothersome. Literally a FKK club. Women are always fully nude. Tuesday night is bikini night. Everywhere but everywhere is surrounded by girls. The best club in terms of ambiance. It is very possible to have close contact with women. Entrance 65 EUR, 100 EUR for half an hour. Lighting is good enough for me. Seats are everywhere. You can also sit in the high chairs around the bar.

This is the club where first-time visitors want to spend most of their time. Because there are big and many working girls. There are jacuzzis if you take the stairs. It is very enjoyable to watch the club from the top floor.

The design of the rooms is very nice. If you go in the summer, the garden is also beautiful. There is an outdoor pool. Women relax. They're not fussy. This may be the club where you can enjoy the most. Of course, we don't know if it will be the same for you.

This is definitely the first place you should go. I don't know which one you like in terms of ambiance, but sharks is the best club for many men.

Friday sharks, Saturday oase, Wednesday the palace: you can make a plan like this.

Good luck.

[Turgid]

He has a point. CCP thugs have perfected the art of dividing the western alliance by finding the weakest idiot with the largest ego, stroke their ego, and voila! France and Macron have an addictive urge to punch above their weight on the world stage out of misplaced self importance but end up demonstrating to the world yet one more time their lack of relevance. Perhaps if they cut work week to 25 hours and start retirement at 58, they can find their path to the pot of gold with the help of their new BFF aka genocidal CCP thugs.

Ok, it seems I'm not on top of world events as I should be. I did not understand his reference to Macron and Xi.

[Mr Ho]

Hi,

I am planning to visit Frankfurt next weekend and stay close to a FKK club? Any suggestions for best clubs and close by hotels to stay? Thank you.

Many says Sharks, I would say Palace or Oase, but sharks is the biggest one like the warehouse club setup with magic light that make ugly looks like princesses LOL! So be sure to see them under good light before taking them to room LOL!

[Norp1054]

I'd recommend a tour of NRW. For me Sharks is fun but I go for the selection. The quick choices and then leave. For Palace, Coliseum, even Vienna, I can linger and enjoy. And keep up the posting!

Yes I'm thinking combining NRW and Amsterdam for a future trip. Amsterdam not as much for the mongering which sounds rather mediocre, but more just to go as I've never been. I had thought of taking a train to Cologne during my stay but decided against it and am glad I did. It would have taken too long and I think limiting travel during vacation is smart since it leaves more time to actually do things.

Definitely will keep posting reports of my adventures. This forum is such a valuable resource and I'm glad to contribute to it.