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[Member #4585]

My thanks to Kosher Kowboy for his soliloquy on the merits of BBFS and rimjob. It has been entertaining.

The interesting point is the sharing and caring going on between men. As Mr Ho says pussy brothers.

Kosher Kowboy points out that the guy who as finished in a woman leaving his come inside may not always be able to get all the come out of her before the next guy in the train lines up to bang her next. Subsequent customer may want to perform DATY so will go down on her and enjoy licking the pussy and the come deposit unknowingly from her pussy. As the French poet may like to say he has a meal of cyprine juices but how can we be sure that is what he is getting. There is no labelling to check like at the grocery store.

Furthermore, for the girls that perform bare back anal letting the guy come in their asshole, there is always the good chance that not all the come has been squeezed and mopped out of her butthole. Next customers enjoying a pretty girls ass may lick her butthole and also get a salty treat left over from the previous customer.

Now in my experience, I find an alarming number of girls working in this job that do not take birth control. They are relying on either luck or condoms to not become pregnant.

The reasons for not taking birth control is that they do not have support of German health service so pay private which is costly so do not get the birth control to the reason that birth control pill plays havoc with their period cycle.

This has led to times when guys perform BBFS and finished with CIP that the girl has gotten pregnant. Ok. There are solutions to this as well but it is too much stress I think.

I have heard of instances of girls needing to go away to deal with these accidents so to speak.

So maybe it is better to perform BBFS anal than BBFS pussy to avoid the pregnancy angle.

Really, there seems a lot of girls in my experience say they do not take birth control working this job.

Sharks and Oase super stars have said one of the reasons the do not perform AO or BBFS is because they do not take birth control as they hate the cyclical period that the pill generates. The girl never mentions STDs as the reason. It could be just a nice way of saying no. But then they will allow some AO sex but no CIP due to reason mentioned. There is still the risk that some spunk does come out even if you pull out when full orgasm happens. Babies do happen.

Based on this line of thinking it appears that bare back anal is safer regardless of the medical reasons of anal activity is riskier than vaginal activities.

[Pistons]

No need to be secretive. I visited the AO places in Moers half a decade ago. I visited 5 times and got chlamydia twice. I fucked 2 or 3 girls each time. Doxocycline worked but it put me off AO in Europe. To me it seemed the risk was at least 10 times that of Indonesia or Africa where I had been barebacking then.

Fucking style might be a factor (protracted pounding with hardly any BJs being the worse).

Now I find sex with 0.02 polyurethane condoms is nearly as good as barebacking.

Sounds bad. Did Doxocycline or whatever that is kill the chlamydia altogether?. I guess the laws on this did have a good purpose. Although BBBJ should have been exempted as you won't contract many std's there. Except maybe herpes which most people probably have already according to statistics. I never tested myself, but I've heard from some FKK girls who says no to kissing that they had herpes and used that as an excuse, so I am guessing most FKK girls have some form of herpes. But over 90% of most populations already have one or more strains of herpes, and in most people the virus just stays dormant anyway.

[UltraHappy]

No need to be secretive. I visited the AO places in Moers half a decade ago. I visited 5 times and got chlamydia twice. I fucked 2 or 3 girls each time.

Now I find sex with 0.02 polyurethane condoms is nearly as good as barebacking.

Yikes! I don't like the sound of those odds. Thank you for sharing.

For me, I always wear a raincoat during sex but never for oral. I've been enjoying BBBJs for quite a number of years now and still haven't ever caught an STD. I know of guys who have caught STDs from just a BBBJ, but it just hasn't happened to me yet.

So far, from all the hundreds and hundreds of BBBJs I've had, I've caught 3 different types of fungal infections and 2 non-serious urinary tract infections. The fungal infections went away following a treatment with topical anti-fungal cream. The non-serious urinary tract infections went away on their own after 1 or 2 days. STD tests in all cases confirmed no STDs.

Just my experience.

[Mr Ho]

Do you live in Europe? If not, it is very likely the authorities dropped the matter because trying to collect from a driver outside of the continent has a low probably of success and not worth their time over a 10 fine. And no you will not have any issues with future rentals in Germany or even Hertz Germany. You will likely also find that the processing fee for making an intercontinental payment far exceed the fine itself.

And yes, I ignored my 100 German speeding tickets from 5 years ago and have rented 15+ times in Germany since.

Well those who monger in Zurich Switzerland be aware, Swiss authority keep their traffic fine record in computer for I think 10 years.

So if you got traffic fine in Switzerland, next time you visit, they will stop you at passport control and you got to pay fine there with crazy interest rates. Or you do not enter or may even detain you.

I think it was 10 years they keep your fine record in Switzerland.

[Bfsie]

When Bfsie writes that he selectively chooses his BBFS targets based on intuition, I think he means this: he picks only from the pool of WGs that he believes to be strictly "condom only". Then he uses his looks, charm, and experience to seduce his inexperienced target, so that he becomes her first AO experience with a customer.

You are exactly right. No offense to me at all.

[UncleOx]

Well, again, these are the numbers published by the experts. You are free to not believe them, but your case would be more persuasive if you had citations like the ones I posted..

Most retrospective observational studies' results are not reliable. Usually, experimental design and sampling of those epidemiological studies are not rigorous. Confounding factors inside design and data collection would constantly cause huge biases in the estimate of the impact of the exposure.

I don't care whoever monger seeks BBFS if he is healthy. But it matters to the safety of all of us, if a HIV-infected monger intentionally distributes HIV through BBFS practices. He is a criminal. His BBFS risky behaviors would not only jeopardize those innocent WGs, but also imperil other mongers.

[Neurosynth]

Congratulation, you believe these numbers, and conclude that BBFS in FKK clubs is extremely safe.

The 0.04% infected female to male transmission rate, means, (Assume a WG works 250 days / year), a lucky BBFS guy keeps fucking a HIV infected WG daily for about 10 years, he would have only one single chance to get HIV infection.

I don't believe this BS numbers.

On the other hand, HIV Prevalence among female sex workers in Germany is much higher than 0. 2%.

I once saw a report that HIV Prevalence among male and female sex workers is very close. If HIV Prevalence for male providers is 20%, then it would never be so low for female providers.

Anyway, enjoy your BBFS, good luck.

Well, again, these are the numbers published by the experts. You are free to not believe them, but your case would be more persuasive if you had citations like the ones I posted.

Here is where the 0.2% HIV rate among female German sex workers comes from. See page 14:

https://ecdc.europa.eu/sites/portal/...ex-workers.pdf

Here is what they say about the source of their data:

"Data for female sex workers based on sentinel surveillance in 2010 and HIV testing of 3037 female sex workers seen at 30 sites providing services. ".

Here is where the 0.04% transmission rate comes from:

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimat...behaviors.html

Here are the studies they cite for the transmission rate:

"Patel P, Borkowf CB, Brooks JT. Et al. Estimating per-act HIV transmission risk: a systematic review. AIDS. 2014. Doi: 10.1097/ QAD. 0000000000000298.

Pretty LA, Anderson GS, Sweet DJ. Human bites and the risk of human immunodeficiency virus transmission. Am J Forensic Med Pathol 1999;20 (3):232-239. ".

[Trans Atlantic]

In my past trip in January, I got flashed for speeding. I got an administration fee and letter from Hertz, but did not get the actual ticket from the authorities. I asked Hertz about it, they sent me a copy of the notice they got from authorities yet; it is a small amount of fine (I think like 10 Euros) for speeding less than 10 km / h in an 80 km zone. They told me to wait for the ticket in the mail. Again, I have not received the ticket yet, and I really want to pay the fine to prevent any remote possible problems in the future for renting cars, etc. Any ideas how to approach this? Please don't tell me you have got a ticket too and teared it up, or ignored it, etc. I need practical advice on how to find out the ways I can pay it and don't want to let it sit there in my records.

Thanks!

Do you live in Europe? If not, it is very likely the authorities dropped the matter because trying to collect from a driver outside of the continent has a low probably of success and not worth their time over a €10 fine. And no you will not have any issues with future rentals in Germany or even Hertz Germany. You will likely also find that the processing fee for making an intercontinental payment far exceed the fine itself.

And yes, I ignored my €100 German speeding tickets from 5 years ago and have rented 15+ times in Germany since.

[Member #4585]

In my past trip in January, I got flashed for speeding. I got an administration fee and letter from Hertz, but did not get the actual ticket from the authorities. I asked Hertz about it, they sent me a copy of the notice they got from authorities yet; it is a small amount of fine (I think like 10 Euros) for speeding less than 10 km / h in an 80 km zone. They told me to wait for the ticket in the mail. Again, I have not received the ticket yet, and I really want to pay the fine to prevent any remote possible problems in the future for renting cars, etc. Any ideas how to approach this? Please don't tell me you have got a ticket too and teared it up, or ignored it, etc. I need practical advice on how to find out the ways I can pay it and don't want to let it sit there in my records.

Thanks!

On the penalty notice there will be the bank account details usually an IBAN and reference number to quote for making the payment of 10 euro fine. Just look at the copy of the letter that Hertz sent you for this information.

[Rogue Nation]

Usually the rental company pays the smaller fines directly and then invoices you plus the handling fee. Check the invoice again, probably the fine is paid and all fine.

[Trombone]

In my past trip in January, I got flashed for speeding. I got an administration fee and letter from Hertz, but did not get the actual ticket from the authorities. I asked Hertz about it, they sent me a copy of the notice they got from authorities yet; it is a small amount of fine (I think like 10 Euros) for speeding less than 10 km / h in an 80 km zone. They told me to wait for the ticket in the mail. Again, I have not received the ticket yet, and I really want to pay the fine to prevent any remote possible problems in the future for renting cars, etc. Any ideas how to approach this? Please don't tell me you have got a ticket too and teared it up, or ignored it, etc. I need practical advice on how to find out the ways I can pay it and don't want to let it sit there in my records.

Thanks!

[MythoVirus]

The implication of what you have described means it's safer for working girls to bare back an Ottoman since they will be circumcised. Maybe this helps with conversion or why the girls like a relationship with an Ottoman. Just a suggestion.

In reality, according to the WHO and CDC, three randomized trials showed, circumcision does show to be 60% protective against HIV for the man. However once the man gets it, the % risk of him transmitting the HIV to a female is more or less the same if circumcised or not. So if the WG is a book nerd then this fact won't increase her chance to bb an Ottoman compared to non circumcised men.

Let's say no to sexual mutilations!

Even if it's only males being mutilated and not "poor lill'girls", sexual mutilations are barbaric. Regarless of gender.

Circumcision can be an interesting ethical topic. But from a scientific point it shows to have more pros than cons, then it's worth investigating isn't it and to me it's fine if the male consents. But mass-neonate circumcision I do understand where you are coming from.

[Mr Ho]

Bacterial STDs are treatable with no lasting effects. It's like catching a food poisoning or other bacterial infection but just go on several weeks of doxocycline to clean up. If a established member who know other members in real-life or perhaps go on monger trips together and did catch something that is not curable, I suspect it won't be as openly advertised.

My point to Mr. Ho is just because it is not reported does not mean he can interpret it as no one on this board caught a life-changing STD from BBFS.

Right, so I ask you brave ones out of all mongers there, those who got std please speak up and share your ouch experience and repent or not repent on this forum. Anyone?

To begin with, I got no std, but I cut my dick several years ago during FKK as they sucked me too much, then it got repetition cut like boxer getting cut during fight. It took like a year till it get fixed fully, now it came back strong as rocky balboa, I can get sucked all day long and it is ok now.

[Mr Ho]

All these analysis of STDs stats are really a complete waste of time. Stats reflect group of people/encounters as a whole and not individual people and encounters. It doesn't reflect your lifestyle and / or genes and / or other factors that could make you more susceptible than the "average" person for certain diseases. It doesn't reflect the viral load of the girls you are BBFSing with.

She could be a walking bag of HIV virus vs. she caught HIV from 24 hours before your session changes the risk. She could be testing regularly but if she picked up an STD the first session immediately after providing her blood sample, it renders the negative result she receives two days later meaningless. If the STD she picks up have a long seroconversion period, then the negative results from her next several tests could also be false negatives. By the time the test returns positive, she could have been infecting various customers for weeks without knowing.

Just because that stats is 1% doesn't reflect your individual risk. If it is not 0%, then it means someone caught it and whether it is 10% or 0.04% or 0.000001% is really irrelevant if YOU happen to be that 0.000001%.

What matters is are you wiling to accept the consequences of being infected with a life-changing STD? For some mongers, maybe they don't give a fuck while others, maybe with wife and young kids may have less tolerance to the impacts of catching something as minor as oral herpes/gonorrhea/chlamydia.

There's really no point pushing stats to exaggerate or downplay risks from BBFS as they really have no meaning to an individual. It's an individual monger's choice on whether they are willing to accept risks and consequences STDs present.

I suspect not many established board member would go around and advertise they caught a STD especially if they hang out in person with other board members. They would probably setup a duplicate account to do so but then get they get their credibility challenged when people see the low post count of the duplicate account.

Hmmm. BBFS is magical feeling, but yes it can be life changing and lasting. It is like getting hit by car crossing street.

I would not go to AO club though I always had interest to go, but I always thought looks of girls can be limited plus the hygiene issue stopped me from going.

I have to say though, I would have ask to do BBFS with some of my favorite in past, but somehow I never did in the past even bother to think about it. I propably will in future if I find someone worth a try.

If I get STD, I be the first on this board nagging LOL LOL!

However, with BBBJ, DATY and all other filthy activities, never caught anything yet in my over 21 years or more of mongering experience and about 9 years of that in German FKK. Let hope I go healthy all the way during my mongering life. If I become martyr of mongering life. , then. Gentlemen, it was worth a ride to be a monger rider around the globe LOL LOL! It was worth every tute, every minute, every sex.

Once a old monger told me on this forum and I took that a life lesson below.

Every dollar not spent on beautiful tute is a waste of money and waste of life.

So knowing above lesson, I strive to spend my free time and money on many beautiful tute till I die, I began mongering at about age 17 or 18, I am 38 this year, so hopefully I got at least 32 years more to fuck LOL! Or more LOL.

It was a helluva ride, and it will be helluva ride to be global monger rider LOL!

[Trans Atlantic]

No need to be secretive. I visited the AO places in Moers half a decade ago. I visited 5 times and got chlamydia twice. I fucked 2 or 3 girls each time. Doxocycline worked but it put me off AO in Europe. To me it seemed the risk was at least 10 times that of Indonesia or Africa.

Bacterial STDs are treatable with no lasting effects. It's like catching a food poisoning or other bacterial infection but just go on several weeks of doxocycline to clean up. If a established member who know other members in real-life or perhaps go on monger trips together and did catch something that is not curable, I suspect it won't be as openly advertised.

My point to Mr. Ho is just because it is not reported does not mean he can interpret it as no one on this board caught a life-changing STD from BBFS.