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08-23-18 08:44 #11542
Posts: 2473Originally Posted by PlasticBasin6 [View Original Post]
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08-23-18 08:44 #11541
Posts: 970Originally Posted by MrHo [View Original Post]
If you look at the larger situation, most women in the business are there to escape a negative situation. Many are single mothers with unsupportive baby daddies. Some come from a family that has 9 children and live on a small farm that can't feed the family, so they have come west to earn money to pay for their parents lives and actions. Some have a drug addicted loverboys who convinced them that this is the best way to prove their love to him or maybe the women themselves have a drug problem themselves. Some arrive with none of these issues and soon find themselves with many of them.
The points I tried to make was the women are making enough to survive, most of them are actually having far less actual sex than many men imagine and if they actually participated in some sort of financial management then they would be able to improve there long term lives. Two women I consider myself friends with, have decided to invest in real estate. They have taken two different paths. The first has invested in her house plus two apartments. The apartments are to be rented as vacation accommodations. Her hopes, if she finishes paying for the two apartments before retiring from the job, she will have enough income from renting them out to survive and the money she makes from her regular job is bonus. The other has invested in agricultural land. There is less investment required up front and the returns are slower. She paid cash up front and leases the land out to a local farmer. Her annual income for the property is not as high but she is playing the long game. Real estate prices in the area have surged over 25% in the last 5 years. If she holds the property for a number of years she should be able to sell it at a great profit or pass it within her family. She also has her plan to work and earn money during her 30 years after retiring from the business. These are two examples of women making the best from the situation. Two other women I know are focused on things instead of assets. The first has her dream of a white BMW X6. The second wants her ladies white gold Rolex with diamonds. I have had the Things vs Assets talk with both but I think they have their hearts set on the cash and flash.
Now to show my compassion for the ladies. If I was going to advocate for any major change to benefit them, I would say that the clubs should not be able to force them to be present an excessive number of hours per day. I know many clubs where a woman arriving after a certain time in the day has to stay for up to 12 hours. If the club wants women present to the end, they should provide a some type incentive rather than forcing the woman to work extra hours.
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08-23-18 04:11 #11540
Posts: 118450 euros, that's almost what you pay street hookers. They might as well begin to work in the streets.
How many of the girls have 10 clients a day or more? I'm sure the pros loves the thought of fucking 10 men a day for 50€ a pop.
By the way, fuck the FKK: s with their crazy high entrance fees. I go to the *****houses to drink and fuck, not to take a sauna.
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08-23-18 03:45 #11539
Posts: 5Originally Posted by PlasticBasin6 [View Original Post]
Huge risk. Don't do it.
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08-23-18 03:25 #11538
Posts: 2415Originally Posted by PlasticBasin6 [View Original Post]
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08-23-18 02:20 #11537
Posts: 7321Originally Posted by Polyamorist [View Original Post]
However, as for gangs, when bike people were obvious on the scene, I have to say they provided some very good looking stunners. Mostly tattooed but some were real beauty. I do miss their more obvious presence on the scene. I am sure they still exist or shifted to more Romanian Albanian type gang, but biker people brought in many German girls in to FKK scene back in the day that I do miss.
It is hard for girls to just walk into FKK especially if they are young and they need little support to walk into german FKK industry, so I appreciate the service lover boys, pimps, gang or any group related to helping girls walk into FKK industry.
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08-23-18 01:58 #11536
Posts: 811Originally Posted by Chongmal [View Original Post]
So I say, first get rid of the gangs, observe the increased business, *then* let's see if the girls still need a rate increase.
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08-23-18 01:18 #11535
Posts: 5Social media.
After lurking for the past year or two, I finally checked out a couple FKKs in person. I went to Oase and Sharks, and both lived up to the hype. Several of the girls mentioned connecting with me on WhatsApp and FaceBook. I avoided subject, because I don't know the risks. Are there any risks to connecting with these girls on social media? I use my real name in all of my social media accounts. Is there risk of blackmail? Identity theft? Robbery? Or are they just trying to maintain the interest of a client to guarantee I go with them next time I visit?
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08-22-18 21:19 #11534
Posts: 7321Originally Posted by Chongmal [View Original Post]
Look if all clients just mostly go for 50 euro, what those girls meant and I meant was that their body cannot take it.
I mean 50 euro and usually girls shoot for 500 euro minimum and some often say they are shooting for 1000 euro per day, so just imagine how much rooms she got to do if most or all clients are just 50 euro per 30 min.
I also think comparing their work to average salary is not fair as FKK is special kind of work.
What I meant and girls meant is that just 50 euro sessions all day is too much for their physical human body.
I understand there are girls who support their living via behind MacDonald counters or waitress etc doing their best, but I also give some understanding to girls who says she cannot do 50 euro per 30 min sessions only then her body cannot take it as well.
However that does not mean I will fall for the crazy up sell LOL. I do however do not mind going for longer session for one hour as long as I can cum two times. Max I pay up is 150 euro per hour, as long as session is good and this is only in certain club like palace German table. Other places are still ok to my experience so far. Ah also Artemis became hardcore upsell club.
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08-22-18 19:25 #11533
Posts: 2207Originally Posted by Chongmal [View Original Post]
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08-22-18 10:22 #11532
Posts: 7321Originally Posted by FunExplorer [View Original Post]
Beside Frankfurt. If anyone do not like smoke, stay away from Artemis that is for sure. As for gt I hear it became non smoking in main bar area recently.
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08-22-18 07:26 #11531
Posts: 970Originally Posted by MrHo [View Original Post]
Even if you count the long hours, including all the time she spends in the club, then €5500 per month after tax and expenses is still quite survivable, especially considering that it's over double the average net salary in Germany, France, Spain, Belgium, The NL, Italy and almost every other leading European country. Even if the girls sent a double monthly net salary back home to Romania, they would still be way above the average for the countries they are living in.
The big difference, sex workers are like professional athletes, most don't stay in their prime for ten years, unless they work at GT Bruggen. Most spend crazy money on vacations, cars, clothes, etc. One of the best things the legislation could have done would have been to provide investment counseling and possibly incentive programs for the ladies to be financially responsible. I have discussed assets vs things with several ladies in the clubs. A couple have listened, the rest have bought that new car, new Rolex, spent €10 k on a one week vacation to Ibiza.
If a lady in the club says she can't survive at €50 per half hour, take her to McDonald's and stand her behind the counter and let her give that a try. There she will find other people with similar backgrounds, working hard to actually be able to just survive. Who knows, maybe she will recruit some nice girls to come and join her at the clubs when she realizes how good she actually had it. I've seen quite a few girls behind the McDonald's counter who's education fund I would be happy to make a donation to.
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08-22-18 06:54 #11530
Posts: 4759Originally Posted by MrHo [View Original Post]
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08-22-18 04:40 #11529
Posts: 7Java: Looks like I can't subscribe, as I'm from the US as well and they won't allow transactions. Perhaps we could coordinate here? Monday or Tuesday the 27th and 28th are best for me. It would be good to have a partner in crime to share adventures. Get in touch of you think we can work it out. If not, good luck and have fun!
Originally Posted by JavaMan [View Original Post]
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08-21-18 22:33 #11528
Posts: 7321Originally Posted by Sirioja [View Original Post]
Nrw for that is best beside oceans.
Artemis used to be good club as I did get sometimes to find stunner who provide all for 60 euro, but now it is almost as upsell as palace, I stopped going there. Used to be such a good diverse line up club.
I do not mind paying up but not more than 150 euro per hour max. I do think 50 euro rate is bit low for girls as they often say, if it is just 50 euro sessions all day, they cannot make living and their body cannot resist it as end up in too much session where guy is fresh as beast, girls are tired each bang, which kind of I understand. I just do not like hard upselling. Some members reported some girls asking 300 euro etc. I never had that hardcore ones, usually it is 150 euro, but soon I may be facing 100 euro 30 min session offer in some places like at palace German table or hamburg I never been yet. I may just stick to NRW and fly into Zurich routine.