German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Takedown]

Maybe you should also read the links you quote. This is. As I did. Referring to the language mainly and not to nowadays behavior or culture. Plus you were addressing EE countries which in majority are not Roman / Latin.

"The term "Latin" is used in reference to European people whose cultures are particularly Roman-derived, generally including the use of Romance languages. Strong Roman legal and cultural traditions characterize these nations. Latin Europe is a major subdivision of Europe, along with Germanic-speaking Europe and Slavic Europe."

1. I think we comprehend english differently. It says straight out, "people whose cultures are Roman-derived" and explicitly lists Romanian people. It goes on to explain the historical relationship of Rome to their conquered lands, including present day Romania. Cut and dry from my POV.

2. Either way, regarding modern times, language is a pretty major part of culture. It directly influences cultures and the way people think.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national...culture/340451

https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-...oncepts/theory

Even in modern nations, their languages reflect their stereotyped national identities. From the highly structured but elegant Japanese, the rule oriented German, laid back and loose American English, the intricate but chaotic Chinese dialects, and of course the passionate Latin romance languages.

For further supporting evidence, there was even a phenomenon when Romanians became obsessed with Latin American soap operas because they felt a strong connection to them as they tried to obtain a unique identity after the fall of communism.

https://www.calvertjournal.com/opini...soaps-pepe-90s

3. You addressed EE but the reality is that EE in FKKs mean 80-90% Romanian. That is barely relevant to the original point of this conversation.

[McAdonis]

So seems like that are most people just don't understand culture then. As an American, I can tell yoh that Romanians behave very similar to Latinos from South and Central America, more similar than to Italians.

Better to list character traits, behaviors, or habits, where you see similarities or provide examples. Behavior can also be attributed to age or economic background, or life experiences, like being a migrant population. Culture can also mean food, music, art. Romania has fallen under different spheres of influence: Austro-Hungarian, Ottoman, Russian. That makes it unique from Italy, Spain, Portugal, and France.

Linguistically, Romanian is without a doubt Latin. They are geographically separated from the other Latin languages due to invasions from the Slavic tribes following disintegration of Byzantine Empire. Linguistics just suggest a common lineage at one time. The language of modern-day Turks and Hungarian is believe to have come from Central Asia, only about millennium ago. But culturally and genetically they are very different from the people that live in these regions now.

[Member #4581]

No I don't. But I understand that many internet trollers like to harp on impertinent details. My mistake for not anticipating accordingly.

I just like to talk in practical terms rather than technicalities as the ass-licking comment was used for descriptive effect.

If you think attraction does nothing then I guess you've never been able to take a WG out for no charge or get free services which are usually extra, then I understand your POV. Some of us have so we have different experiences.

Haha. SM or TD or whatever. Why the need for 2 avatars? (My 2 cents — I like Samson better). Anyway, your words are there, in all their glory just 2 pages ago. You might think blaming others (for pointing that you keep walking back your own words) makes you an alpha male, but in the real world we think that is silly and sad.

I don't cheat girls out of paying what's rightfully theirs. That's just me. And I have no illusion that this is strictly a commercial transaction. But if you want to believe all the BS a girls fakes in the club, no one will stop you.

[McAdonis]

As far as criminalization, if anything, local governments will have a bigger role to play. They may pass more laws and regulations that increase operation cost, impose logistical obstacles, or curtail profits and revenue streams.

As far as obstacles, Germany has some as well with regard to zoning: "98% of Germany geographically, and over 90% of German towns and cities are restricted areas, and over two-thirds of German residents live in a city where commercial sex is prohibited."

Even though prostitution is completely legal, it is still stigmatized. Tolerated more than welcomed. It's in the industry's best interest that everybody sees the recent reforms as "effective".

[BaltiX]

Since Germany decriminalized in 2002, have any other countries in EU followed suit? Since Swedish adopted its model in 1999, which countries have followed their example? Norway, Iceland, Northern Ireland, France, and Ireland. So Swedish model seems to have more momentum.

Prostitution obviously still exists in Sweden. Aren't underground scenes generally more expensive? Is France more expensive now than it was before the 2016 reform?

The primary reason to decriminalize in DE and NL was to protect WGs (more benefits, more rights, and stop human-traf problem). Many think that decriminalization has not helped. Seems to me the 2017 laws are like chemotherapy. In other words, more aggressive treatment to eradicate the cancer. If that fails, they may decide to amputate I. E. Adopt the Swedish model.

Prostitution in Germany and Netherlands was decriminalized and / or tolerated before 2002, even during Fascism. What happened is they imposed regulations. There are people who want to adapt the Swedish model, but they are a small minority. Prostitution is not a high priority topic anyways in most European countries IIRC. Denmark thought about adapting the Swedish model but went against it 6 years ago after coming to conclusion that it will not eradicate prostitution and protect sex works from harm. Same in the UK. In fact the UK favors decriminalizing prostitution.

[Pistons]

You should learn from me about politeness.

So basically we can compare your 'correct' comment to what people normally say ahead of a 'but'? If such is the case, I don't consider that politeness.

[Rogue Nation]

Your collective arguments, those quoted above and some others not quoted, could only be supported if no working girl has ever had a romantic relationship with a client. I'the hope you guys know that cannot possibly be true. In fact, it is definitely not true. I agree with McA that the odds are stacked against you and with Bfsie that one must know his own worth, but romantic attraction from the girl's side happens. It probably happens every day in some club in Germany.

No denying at all that it does happen. Just denying that the fear of falling in love with a client is the reason for not kissing.

[Bfsie]

When editing away your 'correct', you are spot on.

You should learn from me about politeness.

[Rogue Nation]

In addition to my own experiences, I'm not alone in my belief that Romanians are Latin. Here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_peoples

Maybe you should also read the links you quote. This is. As I did. Referring to the language mainly and not to nowadays behavior or culture. Plus you were addressing EE countries which in majority are not Roman / Latin.

"The term "Latin" is used in reference to European people whose cultures are particularly Roman-derived, generally including the use of Romance languages. Strong Roman legal and cultural traditions characterize these nations. Latin Europe is a major subdivision of Europe, along with Germanic-speaking Europe and Slavic Europe."

[Pistons]

I would add that in many cases their boyfriends don't allow the WGs to kiss (and make anal sex) as the condition to allow them to work as the WGs, because their boyfriends want to feel they are special and unique to the WGs and can get kiss and anal sex with the WGs which nobody else can get.

When editing away your 'correct', you are spot on.

[Mr Ho]

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EE girls and Latinas have very different behavior & culture. Don't know how you come to the conclusion that they are similar.

Well there is one thing that these two have in common.

They fuck very good LOL.

[Samson Monger]

They don't kiss because they might feel attraction to guys they have sex with? I hope you don't really believe that or you probably will believe other BS the girls tell you as well.

Attraction might do wonders outside the club. Inside, the only language is Euros.

The amount of work to "convince" the WG may be insurmountable.

Your collective arguments, those quoted above and some others not quoted, could only be supported if no working girl has ever had a romantic relationship with a client. I'the hope you guys know that cannot possibly be true. In fact, it is definitely not true. I agree with McA that the odds are stacked against you and with Bfsie that one must know his own worth, but romantic attraction from the girl's side happens. It probably happens every day in some club in Germany.

[Takedown]

Since Germany decriminalized in 2002, have any other countries in EU followed suit? Since Swedish adopted its model in 1999, which countries have followed their example? Norway, Iceland, Northern Ireland, France, and Ireland. So Swedish model seems to have more momentum.

Prostitution obviously still exists in Sweden. Aren't underground scenes generally more expensive? Is France more expensive now than it was before the 2016 reform?

The primary reason to decriminalize in DE and NL was to protect WGs (more benefits, more rights, and stop human-traf problem). Many think that decriminalization has not helped. Seems to me the 2017 laws are like chemotherapy. In other words, more aggressive treatment to eradicate the cancer. If that fails, they may decide to amputate I. E. Adopt the Swedish model.

Something to consider, we all probably agree that politics in capitalist societies are pretty financially driven. The more clubs and Eros centers that open up, the bigger the German prostitution machine grows. Their physical presence and tax presence also grows. I don't know if these other countries that adopted the anti prostitution stance had quite the infrastructure and network that is present in Germany. It would be a big public ordeal to shut down these thousands of businesses.

Honestly, I think it is more likely that people in countries like Romania garner more wealth over the next 2-3 decades and start sending less WGs before Germany criminalizes prostitution again. From what I know about the modern, educated Romanian women and in context of 21st century women's lib trends, women in Romania will be a big part in turning that country around. That's just a personal gut feeling. I have no statistics to back that up.

As far as criminalization, if anything, local governments will have a bigger role to play. They may pass more laws and regulations that increase operation cost, impose logistical obstacles, or curtail profits and revenue streams. In the US, a common practice is to prohibit strip clubs from selling alcohol or going full nude. Some cities just would not approve liquor licenses altogether regardless of official laws. These practices often stopped new clubs from opening and caused the slow demise of the current establishments.

Either way, the FKK scene easily has at least a decade to thrive and that's as far as I care to look into the future regarding this hobby.

[Takedown]

At Takedown: The only EE girls in the clubs (yes, they are the majority but haven't always been) with a Latin language are Romanians. Bulgaria, Czech, Poland, Hungary etc. Do have a very different background regarding language.

EE girls and Latinas have very different behavior & culture. Don't know how you come to the conclusion that they are similar.

In addition to my own experiences, I'm not alone in my belief that Romanians are Latin. Here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_peoples

[Takedown]

The amount of work to "convince" the WG may be insurmountable.

Depends on what you mean by insurmountable. Marriage? Or a few month fling? Some free AO? You and I both know from our personal experiences that winning a WG's affection, if only temporarily, is entirely possible.