German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Takedown]

Since Germany decriminalized in 2002, have any other countries in EU followed suit? Since Swedish adopted its model in 1999, which countries have followed their example? Norway, Iceland, Northern Ireland, France, and Ireland. So Swedish model seems to have more momentum.

Prostitution obviously still exists in Sweden. Aren't underground scenes generally more expensive? Is France more expensive now than it was before the 2016 reform?

The primary reason to decriminalize in DE and NL was to protect WGs (more benefits, more rights, and stop human-traf problem). Many think that decriminalization has not helped. Seems to me the 2017 laws are like chemotherapy. In other words, more aggressive treatment to eradicate the cancer. If that fails, they may decide to amputate I. E. Adopt the Swedish model.

Something to consider, we all probably agree that politics in capitalist societies are pretty financially driven. The more clubs and Eros centers that open up, the bigger the German prostitution machine grows. Their physical presence and tax presence also grows. I don't know if these other countries that adopted the anti prostitution stance had quite the infrastructure and network that is present in Germany. It would be a big public ordeal to shut down these thousands of businesses.

Honestly, I think it is more likely that people in countries like Romania garner more wealth over the next 2-3 decades and start sending less WGs before Germany criminalizes prostitution again. From what I know about the modern, educated Romanian women and in context of 21st century women's lib trends, women in Romania will be a big part in turning that country around. That's just a personal gut feeling. I have no statistics to back that up.

As far as criminalization, if anything, local governments will have a bigger role to play. They may pass more laws and regulations that increase operation cost, impose logistical obstacles, or curtail profits and revenue streams. In the US, a common practice is to prohibit strip clubs from selling alcohol or going full nude. Some cities just would not approve liquor licenses altogether regardless of official laws. These practices often stopped new clubs from opening and caused the slow demise of the current establishments.

Either way, the FKK scene easily has at least a decade to thrive and that's as far as I care to look into the future regarding this hobby.

[Takedown]

At Takedown: The only EE girls in the clubs (yes, they are the majority but haven't always been) with a Latin language are Romanians. Bulgaria, Czech, Poland, Hungary etc. Do have a very different background regarding language.

EE girls and Latinas have very different behavior & culture. Don't know how you come to the conclusion that they are similar.

In addition to my own experiences, I'm not alone in my belief that Romanians are Latin. Here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_peoples

[Takedown]

The amount of work to "convince" the WG may be insurmountable.

Depends on what you mean by insurmountable. Marriage? Or a few month fling? Some free AO? You and I both know from our personal experiences that winning a WG's affection, if only temporarily, is entirely possible.

[Bfsie]

This seems to be a coherent, well thought out view on monger-WG relations. Much better than theories that attempt to apply the blanket of mediocrity on everyone.

Thank you for your compliment.

[Bfsie]

Kissing is considered very intimate by some / many girls. So they will not kiss a (or at least not every) client but only their BF. It's not because they are afraid to get feelings for the client. That's why they do CIM, rimjobs, allow many practices men would consider a lot more disgusting than kissing. 15 years ago Daniela at Oase would DFK me when she was single and not kiss at all when she had a BF. Was my first question each time we met: Single or not?

Correct. I would add that in many cases their boyfriends don't allow the WGs to kiss (and make anal sex) as the condition to allow them to work as the WGs, because their boyfriends want to feel they are special and unique to the WGs and can get kiss and anal sex with the WGs which nobody else can get.

[Bfsie]

In theory, you are correct. But you are making the assumption that men can be honest with themselves.

First all, this is not a theory, this is my first-hand experience after mongering for long time. When I posted anything here, I never have used any theory from textbook or somewhere and I never will. I always use my personal experience about our topics. Whether men can be honest with themselves is another topic to discuss.

The amount of work to "convince" the WG may be insurmountable.

It depends on who the monger is. If the monger is much better than the WG, I. E. If in real life he can get MUCH-BETTER-looking girls than the WG, the convincing work would be much easier.

The fact that she knows you are an experienced monger and you met her in a brothel, that is already two strikes against you. Simply being a "monger" implies some non-desirable character traits. Or implies you may lack value in the normal mating market.

Basically I agree with you on this except that it depends on what is monger's objective. If the monger only looks for romantic involvement with the WG spiritually, I. E. Not going out for diner, watching movies and so on, just spiritually in the FKK clubs, then the monger achieves his objective. Yes, if the monger looks for real traditional relationship (like normal romantic relationship in real life), it is difficult unless the monger is much better than the WG as I explained above.

[Samson Monger]

No hijacking needed was your own statement. You always walk back your own words?

CIM is an extra. Not the same thing at all.

Attraction might do wonders outside the club. Inside, the only language is Euros.

No I don't. But I understand that many internet trollers like to harp on impertinent details. My mistake for not anticipating accordingly.

I just like to talk in practical terms rather than technicalities as the ass-licking comment was used for descriptive effect.

If you think attraction does nothing then I guess you've never been able to take a WG out for no charge or get free services which are usually extra, then I understand your POV. Some of us have so we have different experiences.

[Samson Monger]

But today many think of Latin america when one says Latin perhaps. And the Latinos in America may just be further away from the original Latin (italic) population than any Romanians are.

So seems like that are most people just don't understand culture then. As an American, I can tell yoh that Romanians behave very similar to Latinos from South and Central America, more similar than to Italians.

[Samson Monger]

Ass play is more porno, pervert and intimate. Don't knock it until your have tried it.

Where do you go for a dump when you explained that you sleep in your rental car?

1. Just poking fun, no worries.

2. I'm sure everyone else here will be happy tonhear about my pooping habits, LOL. Being regular helps. I'm a post morning coffee pooper. But making sure you're empty before leaving the club is probably not a bad idea. Anyway, it's really only 8-9 hours per day not being in the club, one can pass enough gas to keep from implosion. Worst case scenario, drive to a petrol station.

[Pistons]

Ass play is more porno, pervert and intimate. Don't knock it until your have tried it.

Where do you go for a dump when you explained that you sleep in your rental car?

You dump before you leave the FKK. Or you hold it in? Normally it only means 3-6 hours outside of an FKK if you leave at closing and enter when they open. Most people should be able to shut their hut unless they are 300 pounds and eat a horse every day.

[Pistons]

Kissing is considered very intimate by some / many girls. So they will not kiss a (or at least not every) client but only their BF. It's not because they are afraid to get feelings for the client. That's why they do CIM, rimjobs, allow many practices men would consider a lot more disgusting than kissing. 15 years ago Daniela at Oase would DFK me when she was single and not kiss at all when she had a BF. Was my first question each time we met: Single or not?

I would just have to end this guessing you will agree to disagree. But then all I hear is this:

https://youtu.be/8AIwaSD9Sco

P.S.: Passion is not the same as intimate fluid or dirt exchanges. One is hormonal. The other one is physical. And sex is also physical, so a rimjob or a CIM as you claim are the same, are not. Definitely not. And invalid arguments.

[Delta Indigo]

Hmmm. This is a tough one. I have to say that every girl I have ever rimmed I have also kissed but the order was Kiss first and then rim. I have had a few that I rimmed refuse to kiss after the rim job. But what am I to do? I am a blow job and I have to go down on them. I see a beautiful woman and I want to put her in my mouth. I revert back to infancy. The more beautiful the women the more disgusting body part I want to put in my mouth.

6 - 7- suck tits.

7 - 8 - Eat pussy.

8+ - I am licking asshole.

I don't understand it myself.

I actually do understand it. I would say the more gorgeous the girl and her ass.

[HungryStud101]

Rimming without kissing, never ever happened to me.

Hmmm. This is a tough one. I have to say that every girl I have ever rimmed I have also kissed but the order was Kiss first and then rim. I have had a few that I rimmed refuse to kiss after the rim job. But what am I to do? I am a blow job and I have to go down on them. I see a beautiful woman and I want to put her in my mouth. I revert back to infancy. The more beautiful the women the more disgusting body part I want to put in my mouth.

6 - 7- suck tits.

7 - 8 - Eat pussy.

8+ - I am licking asshole.

I don't understand it myself.

[Mr Ho]

Bad breath probably explains their reluctance to kiss as much as FoI (fear of intimacy).

The movie pretty woman began this trend originally, but some girls still do DFK and in the worst case, in FKK, money can fix most obstacle, the problem is girls want to charge every thing to maximize their profit and guys do not want to pay more than standard rate or decrease the cost of getting as much as possible from girls LOL.

In the worst case, scenario, we got Globe Zurich among other clubs in Zurich where we just pay the higher standard rate if we are willing to and negotiation is already conducted by house rule.

Whatta wonderful world we live in where we pay reasonable amount of money and we get first night of honeymoon sex as much as we want with girls around 20 to 25 years old and they look actually stunning contrary to the old image of brothels where we did not get girls to this beauty level. Times change and beauty level improved a lot comparison to before. LU was better between 2009 till 2015 though, but still I cannot complain about beauty level at all, just need more new girls who are stunners.

[Member #4581]

Bad breath probably explains their reluctance to kiss as much as FoI (fear of intimacy).