German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Rogue Nation]

Your collective arguments, those quoted above and some others not quoted, could only be supported if no working girl has ever had a romantic relationship with a client. I'the hope you guys know that cannot possibly be true. In fact, it is definitely not true. I agree with McA that the odds are stacked against you and with Bfsie that one must know his own worth, but romantic attraction from the girl's side happens. It probably happens every day in some club in Germany.

No denying at all that it does happen. Just denying that the fear of falling in love with a client is the reason for not kissing.

[Bfsie]

When editing away your 'correct', you are spot on.

You should learn from me about politeness.

[Rogue Nation]

In addition to my own experiences, I'm not alone in my belief that Romanians are Latin. Here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_peoples

Maybe you should also read the links you quote. This is. As I did. Referring to the language mainly and not to nowadays behavior or culture. Plus you were addressing EE countries which in majority are not Roman / Latin.

"The term "Latin" is used in reference to European people whose cultures are particularly Roman-derived, generally including the use of Romance languages. Strong Roman legal and cultural traditions characterize these nations. Latin Europe is a major subdivision of Europe, along with Germanic-speaking Europe and Slavic Europe."

[Pistons]

I would add that in many cases their boyfriends don't allow the WGs to kiss (and make anal sex) as the condition to allow them to work as the WGs, because their boyfriends want to feel they are special and unique to the WGs and can get kiss and anal sex with the WGs which nobody else can get.

When editing away your 'correct', you are spot on.

[Mr Ho]

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EE girls and Latinas have very different behavior & culture. Don't know how you come to the conclusion that they are similar.

Well there is one thing that these two have in common.

They fuck very good LOL.

[Samson Monger]

They don't kiss because they might feel attraction to guys they have sex with? I hope you don't really believe that or you probably will believe other BS the girls tell you as well.

Attraction might do wonders outside the club. Inside, the only language is Euros.

The amount of work to "convince" the WG may be insurmountable.

Your collective arguments, those quoted above and some others not quoted, could only be supported if no working girl has ever had a romantic relationship with a client. I'the hope you guys know that cannot possibly be true. In fact, it is definitely not true. I agree with McA that the odds are stacked against you and with Bfsie that one must know his own worth, but romantic attraction from the girl's side happens. It probably happens every day in some club in Germany.

[Takedown]

Since Germany decriminalized in 2002, have any other countries in EU followed suit? Since Swedish adopted its model in 1999, which countries have followed their example? Norway, Iceland, Northern Ireland, France, and Ireland. So Swedish model seems to have more momentum.

Prostitution obviously still exists in Sweden. Aren't underground scenes generally more expensive? Is France more expensive now than it was before the 2016 reform?

The primary reason to decriminalize in DE and NL was to protect WGs (more benefits, more rights, and stop human-traf problem). Many think that decriminalization has not helped. Seems to me the 2017 laws are like chemotherapy. In other words, more aggressive treatment to eradicate the cancer. If that fails, they may decide to amputate I. E. Adopt the Swedish model.

Something to consider, we all probably agree that politics in capitalist societies are pretty financially driven. The more clubs and Eros centers that open up, the bigger the German prostitution machine grows. Their physical presence and tax presence also grows. I don't know if these other countries that adopted the anti prostitution stance had quite the infrastructure and network that is present in Germany. It would be a big public ordeal to shut down these thousands of businesses.

Honestly, I think it is more likely that people in countries like Romania garner more wealth over the next 2-3 decades and start sending less WGs before Germany criminalizes prostitution again. From what I know about the modern, educated Romanian women and in context of 21st century women's lib trends, women in Romania will be a big part in turning that country around. That's just a personal gut feeling. I have no statistics to back that up.

As far as criminalization, if anything, local governments will have a bigger role to play. They may pass more laws and regulations that increase operation cost, impose logistical obstacles, or curtail profits and revenue streams. In the US, a common practice is to prohibit strip clubs from selling alcohol or going full nude. Some cities just would not approve liquor licenses altogether regardless of official laws. These practices often stopped new clubs from opening and caused the slow demise of the current establishments.

Either way, the FKK scene easily has at least a decade to thrive and that's as far as I care to look into the future regarding this hobby.

[Takedown]

At Takedown: The only EE girls in the clubs (yes, they are the majority but haven't always been) with a Latin language are Romanians. Bulgaria, Czech, Poland, Hungary etc. Do have a very different background regarding language.

EE girls and Latinas have very different behavior & culture. Don't know how you come to the conclusion that they are similar.

In addition to my own experiences, I'm not alone in my belief that Romanians are Latin. Here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_peoples

[Takedown]

The amount of work to "convince" the WG may be insurmountable.

Depends on what you mean by insurmountable. Marriage? Or a few month fling? Some free AO? You and I both know from our personal experiences that winning a WG's affection, if only temporarily, is entirely possible.

[Bfsie]

This seems to be a coherent, well thought out view on monger-WG relations. Much better than theories that attempt to apply the blanket of mediocrity on everyone.

Thank you for your compliment.

[Bfsie]

Kissing is considered very intimate by some / many girls. So they will not kiss a (or at least not every) client but only their BF. It's not because they are afraid to get feelings for the client. That's why they do CIM, rimjobs, allow many practices men would consider a lot more disgusting than kissing. 15 years ago Daniela at Oase would DFK me when she was single and not kiss at all when she had a BF. Was my first question each time we met: Single or not?

Correct. I would add that in many cases their boyfriends don't allow the WGs to kiss (and make anal sex) as the condition to allow them to work as the WGs, because their boyfriends want to feel they are special and unique to the WGs and can get kiss and anal sex with the WGs which nobody else can get.

[Bfsie]

In theory, you are correct. But you are making the assumption that men can be honest with themselves.

First all, this is not a theory, this is my first-hand experience after mongering for long time. When I posted anything here, I never have used any theory from textbook or somewhere and I never will. I always use my personal experience about our topics. Whether men can be honest with themselves is another topic to discuss.

The amount of work to "convince" the WG may be insurmountable.

It depends on who the monger is. If the monger is much better than the WG, I. E. If in real life he can get MUCH-BETTER-looking girls than the WG, the convincing work would be much easier.

The fact that she knows you are an experienced monger and you met her in a brothel, that is already two strikes against you. Simply being a "monger" implies some non-desirable character traits. Or implies you may lack value in the normal mating market.

Basically I agree with you on this except that it depends on what is monger's objective. If the monger only looks for romantic involvement with the WG spiritually, I. E. Not going out for diner, watching movies and so on, just spiritually in the FKK clubs, then the monger achieves his objective. Yes, if the monger looks for real traditional relationship (like normal romantic relationship in real life), it is difficult unless the monger is much better than the WG as I explained above.

[Samson Monger]

No hijacking needed was your own statement. You always walk back your own words?

CIM is an extra. Not the same thing at all.

Attraction might do wonders outside the club. Inside, the only language is Euros.

No I don't. But I understand that many internet trollers like to harp on impertinent details. My mistake for not anticipating accordingly.

I just like to talk in practical terms rather than technicalities as the ass-licking comment was used for descriptive effect.

If you think attraction does nothing then I guess you've never been able to take a WG out for no charge or get free services which are usually extra, then I understand your POV. Some of us have so we have different experiences.

[Samson Monger]

But today many think of Latin america when one says Latin perhaps. And the Latinos in America may just be further away from the original Latin (italic) population than any Romanians are.

So seems like that are most people just don't understand culture then. As an American, I can tell yoh that Romanians behave very similar to Latinos from South and Central America, more similar than to Italians.

[Samson Monger]

Ass play is more porno, pervert and intimate. Don't knock it until your have tried it.

Where do you go for a dump when you explained that you sleep in your rental car?

1. Just poking fun, no worries.

2. I'm sure everyone else here will be happy tonhear about my pooping habits, LOL. Being regular helps. I'm a post morning coffee pooper. But making sure you're empty before leaving the club is probably not a bad idea. Anyway, it's really only 8-9 hours per day not being in the club, one can pass enough gas to keep from implosion. Worst case scenario, drive to a petrol station.