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[Neurosynth]

This need not be complicated.

There are (at least) two meanings for "alpha male. " The first is a scientific term that applies to a particular kind of social organization among some, but not all, other mammals. Typically there are few alpha males, sometimes only one, and they dominate the group including other "beta" males. The entire organization of the group could be diagrammed using a tree structure (star network, etc.).

There is a second meaning where popular culture refers to men (humans) who are forceful and dominating as alpha males. But human social organization is highly complex and can't be reduced to a single hierarchy or tree structure, etc.

As a metaphor referring to some men as alpha males is fine as long as it is not taken in the scientific, biological sense.

Here is my point:

What happens among some posters here is they adopt the metaphorical use of "alpha male" as found in pop culture, but then imbue that with the scientific meaning. By doing that they erroneously imply a kind of inevitable biological determinism in human behavior. And not coincidently, they try to support their non-scientific sexual theories with the weight of science where the science doesn't apply. These are false claims of scientific rigor.

So yes, humans have "alpha males" among them *in the pop culture metaphorical sense. * But no, humans are not destined by biology to form societies that reflect the simple alpha / beta structure of other mammals. Human societies are not structured that way, and individual personalities do not conform to such a description.

[Mr Ho]

the enemies of prostitution like Annette Schwarzer will paint WGs as victims, and declare that Germany must adopt the Nordic model. I have posted links in the past: law enforcement, academics, and feminists all review internet sex forums.

Most normal people consider our beloved hobby deplorable. Most normal citizens don't want brothels in their town.

She is porn star and against prostitution? What is the difference, oh she is actress is she? She does it for art? LOL Porn is prostitution front of camera LOL It is in her interest to go against tuting as in some nations where tuting is legal, people go for brothel rather than buying porn and also porn is free nowadays, so no cash for her.

Normal citizens do not want brothel in their town because their husband will disappear from their house to go to gym to sexercise LOL and there will be no more sex from husband in house LOL.

It is all in their interest to go against it.

I mean I respect or look down on single brain cell of some guys who lives in prostitution legal nations where they got FKK and do not frequent FKK every few days. I mean FKK set up will make men think twice about marriage LOL It is better to marry FKK young wives that you can change based on how you feel on that day of the visit and hey at FKK young wives, your wives do not grow old and do what you want as long as you pay and amount you pay is much cheaper than your old ageing miserable nagging overly demanding expensive wives that normal citizens strangely like to have in house LOL.

It is like lions or tigers, they are beautiful to watch in safari or zoo, but you do not want them in your house do you? Same with wives that age, it is like buying former multiple accidents Honda NSX with ferrari signs on it with round up meters for millions USD thinking it is la ferrari LOL.

[Takedown]

As for the good citizens of Freidrichsdorf hamlet being unhappy: some might be, but some others may be happy. How many mongers stay in Mercury or Tagungs hotel? Or dine at the local eateries? The first time I got down the train in Freidrichsdorf I was so self conscious because I felt the only people who got down there were for Oase.

The most action that town gets from mongers is the ATM 2 km down the street. Locals still make up the majority of visitors. Businessmen on Messe usually stay closer to downtown Frankfurt or the airport. Pure hobbyist from out of town make up a very small portion of FKK guests. Wishful thinking though.

[Member #4581]

The 2017 laws were an effort to address the failures of the Prostitution Act of 2002, which was supposed to improve working conditions for WGs. SPD thought that decriminalization was supposed to fix everything. About a decade later, the SPD realized that these laws fixed nothing. Hence why we have the latest set of laws.

So if business continues as usual until say 2027, law-makers could very well pull the plug on this failed experiment. Consider this, if the pimps put pressure on the WGs to earn money, and clients refuse to partake in services unless BBBJ is performed, then the WGs will be forced to perform BBBJ. Then the enemies of prostitution like Annette Schwarzer will paint WGs as victims, and declare that Germany must adopt the Nordic model. I have posted links in the past: law enforcement, academics, and feminists all review internet sex forums.

Most normal people consider our beloved hobby deplorable. Most normal citizens don't want brothels in their town. I am sure citizens in Freidrichsdorf, Bruggen, Saarbrucken complain quite regularly about all the extra auto traffic, lack of parking, or mongers speeding or driving drunk. Nobody foresaw the exponential growth that the German prostitution industry has experienced since decriminalization. On weekend nights in Saarbrucken, the French outnumber the Germans. France adopted the Nordic model in 2016, whereby the client is criminalized. Could Germany be the next domino to fall?

I don't have the faintest clue about German politics. But I will say this: pols do things not because they are logical, they tried something and it failed, they looked at the evidence and decided they need to try something else, etc. That's how a business might function, but not pols. Pols usually do something because they want to be seen as doing something by their target audience. Whether that something is a positive or negative or if it fixes the so called problem or if it leads to ten bigger problems is usually irrelevant to the pol. What might happen in ten years is not their concern, because the next election may be in six months.

Perhaps German pols are more scrupulous and rational, but I doubt it. When it comes to that group, pols of all stripes are the same universally.

As for the good citizens of Freidrichsdorf hamlet being unhappy: some might be, but some others may be happy. How many mongers stay in Mercury or Tagungs hotel? Or dine at the local eateries? The first time I got down the train in Freidrichsdorf I was so self conscious because I felt the only people who got down there were for Oase.

[Member #4581]

I doubt that a repeat factor recommendation provides a more objective view of a specific girl than the detailed report from the once in 6 months visitor. At the time he writes the report, the guy has a positive view of the girl, writes a glowing report, and if he has to give a rating he will put down a 8 or 9 as chance of repeating. That is his view, at that moment. Whether he actually repeats is a different matter when he visits in six months later. He might see a prettier girl, she might give him a cold vibe, yadda yadda.

A couple of years ago, for a brief while, some members used to write reviews with ratings such as face 8, body 7, service 7, chemistry 6 etc. Slowly, that practice faded.

The great Yama Yama does put down how likely he is to repeat a girl, and he seems to actually follow his prior recommendation. But then, not every occasional visitor is Yama Yama 🙂🙂

At the end of the day, reports are what they are: Snapshots of the guy's emotions and satisfaction with the girl and the session. There is no guarantee that even the same guy will have an equally good experience with the same girl in a few days or few weeks, much less a totally different guy with entirely different tastes and wants. As they say, chemistry matters, and really there is no such thing as infallible review that can work for everyone.

[Pistons]

I don't know. I think it depends more on which people are in politics and what they have allways thought about the basic idea of prostitution.

Even the Nordic model has shown to have zero effect. Both cases are results of the failed medication and reactive policy I was describing earlier.

[Mr Ho]

You must know that Merkel isn't someone who decides things. She just waits and sees and sometimes that's bad.

There's also the fact that Germans are obsessed with their past (not as obsessed as the English are about Germans but still at an unhealthly level). They are desperate for approval from Anglos and as we all know in Britain and the US everyone who isn't a savage is pro-open borders and diversity.

Germany should get closer to Japan, it simply just make sense, then we will monopolize big percentage of industries in many sectors, cars, banks, technology area, AI etc etc. Plus both nations are rich. As for UK and USA, Japan get along with them and UK is now out of EU, UK is moving closer to Japan. G7 should unite instead of just region like EU. It make more sense.

[Takedown]

Not necessarily replying to you, NS, just my take on alpha or beta males in regards to FKK clubs: We are basically all paying significantly younger girls for sex. What's alpha or beta about that? Money is the big equalizer, being nude or in a towel / bathrobe as well. There are guys inventing stories about what their profession is (doctors, lawyers), trying to impress girls. Who don't give a fuck, all they want is good and a lot of money and clean respectful clients. They couldn't care less if you are a plastic surgeon, dentist or garbage collector.

Disagree and very much so. Yes these girls are in it first and foremost for the money but most are also 20 year old millenials with raging hormones. Do you think ass-licking, cum swallowing girls don't kiss because they think saliva is dirty? No, they don't kiss because it builds intimacy. They cannot help but feel attraction to some guys they have sex with. I point this out to show that the behavior, physical appearance, and social image of the clients do matter. It matters beyond mere cleanliness and being respectful. This is especially true at clubs like Sharks which is Romanian High School 2.0. Girls do compete with other girls in obtaining the more attractive regular client.

I'm a much different guy than who I was 10 years ago and can completely tell the difference between the way FKK girls treat me, both in and out of the room. Being a skinny 25 year old "nice guy" versus a much more confident and muscular 35 year old, the service I get is completely different. I expect that when I am 45 or 55, being further away from my physical peak, service levels will also change.

I also disagree with girls not caring about your profession, but I lie in the reverse direction. I tell girls that I am a nurse and a fellow monger tells them that he is a cook in a Chinese restaurant, LOL. This does eliminate some unwanted attention from girls looking for big pay days. Generally only truly nice girls spend couch time with me, while the true hunters leave me alone.

So yes, in my experience, attitude, image, and appearance can matter significantly.

[McAdonis]

The 2017 laws were an effort to address the failures of the Prostitution Act of 2002, which was supposed to improve working conditions for WGs. SPD thought that decriminalization was supposed to fix everything. About a decade later, the SPD realized that these laws fixed nothing. Hence why we have the latest set of laws.

So if business continues as usual until say 2027, law-makers could very well pull the plug on this failed experiment. Consider this, if the pimps put pressure on the WGs to earn money, and clients refuse to partake in services unless BBBJ is performed, then the WGs will be forced to perform BBBJ. Then the enemies of prostitution like Annette Schwarzer will paint WGs as victims, and declare that Germany must adopt the Nordic model. I have posted links in the past: law enforcement, academics, and feminists all review internet sex forums.

Most normal people consider our beloved hobby deplorable. Most normal citizens don't want brothels in their town. I am sure citizens in Freidrichsdorf, Bruggen, Saarbrucken complain quite regularly about all the extra auto traffic, lack of parking, or mongers speeding or driving drunk. Nobody foresaw the exponential growth that the German prostitution industry has experienced since decriminalization. On weekend nights in Saarbrucken, the French outnumber the Germans. France adopted the Nordic model in 2016, whereby the client is criminalized. Could Germany be the next domino to fall?

[Rogue Nation]

I must sound daft, but. What is AO? I know most of the alphabet soup terms, but not that.

Somehow that German abbreviation made it to ISG. AO = "Alles Ohne" = BBFS = "Bare Back Full Service".

[Pahllus Maximus]

I must sound daft, but. What is AO? I know most of the alphabet soup terms, but not that.

Pistons wrote: "And I believe the reason we are having a very hard time becoming independent and neighter (sic) a chimp nor a bonobo is that we don't look far enough back. We don't lift our heads high enough. So society is stuck healing the sickness with dangerous medicines instead of removing the cause of the sickness. We live in a reactive society instead of a proactive one. And that is the main problem with our world in the 21st century. Politics must change".

A profound observation: of not grasping the gestalt and myopia. To that add lack of rationality and empathy.

This group has abated natural horniness by refusing to be bound to the artificial supply side restriction, inaccurate price signalling and enforced services bundling. We buy on the spot market in world markets and currencies as free spirits and get gorgeous, beautiful women. Sounds like a much more intelligent and enlightened choice.

Does anyone else here read Nicholas Taleb, Franzen or Chekov?

[UncleOx]

Unlike local german boards where every poster and reader (including me) have pretty much the same backgrounds such as sexual urgency and so on, every poster on ISG has different definition of what is good session (or bad session).

Hi Bfsie,

Would you please show us the links to local German boards? I think lots of non-German ISG members might be curious how did those locals describe the "good sessions".

[Ararat]

Funny how politicians in Germany care so much about brothels and they do not use that time they invest in brothel regulation to block refugee coming into Germany from non G7 nations or not even non G20 nations.

You must know that Merkel isn't someone who decides things. She just waits and sees and sometimes that's bad.

There's also the fact that Germans are obsessed with their past (not as obsessed as the English are about Germans but still at an unhealthly level). They are desperate for approval from Anglos and as we all know in Britain and the US everyone who isn't a savage is pro-open borders and diversity.

[Rogue Nation]

The clubs were not helpful with getting the girls registered.

That is not true, strongly depended / depends on the club. Some where very helpful, other didn't care at all.

[Optimist]

Bitumen. Same here: getting a Pass seems to be no problem for workers legally in Germany. A bit of money, a bit of time, a halfhearted lecture, et voila.

That's what I've been told anyway (by the very few girls I spoke to about this).

Of course, as reported, some girls chose to discontinue working.