German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Rogue Nation]

I am very much in touch with what is going on over there. My last trip was summer of 2017.

Not so sure about that. Many months have passed, things are developing, many issues are talked about, between mongers & mongers and girls & mongers which are not making their way to the boards or irregular guests. And which will not make their way here. Still you act like you have all the knowledge necessary to give a valid view on the German P6 scene. Which you don't have. Which none of us have, not even the ones living here and visiting regularly with valid sources in clubs, girls, other mongers and local boards.

[Neurosynth]

The late Angry Harry had an interesting theory about why lesbians are such man-haters. Lesbians resent successful men taking away the beautiful women from them.

Because men are willing to splurge money on them, beautiful women will gravitate towards men regardless of sexual orientation.

Even if a beautiful woman is sexually into women, she will not give up cashing in on her looks with men and she will associate with men.

Of course lesbians have only themselves to blame for no being willing to bring money to the table like men do. But in good female fashion, they will blame men for their failures.

I'd be surprised if you knowingly know any actual lesbians. You are so far off the mark here.

(1) Most lesbians are not man haters.

(2) Most lesbians will not "gravitate" towards men that have money. (By gravitate you seem to mean openness towards having sex.)

(3) Lesbians make less money than men for the same reason heterosexual women make less money than men. Sexism.

[Neurosynth]

In most cases you are right until now yes. Until #metoo. After this, a man also needs the good looks and physique. ...

You have no idea what #metoo is about. It's primarily about women who have been sexually harassed (or worse) in the workplace. It has nothing to do with what men look like. Nothing.

[Neurosynth]

I think we've pointed this out before. You mentioned that you have not visited an FKK or Germany altogether since the beginning of 2017. Without first hand experience, I'm confused as to how you are qualified to make your assessments. On the other hand, none of the members who visit the clubs on a daily, weekly, or even monthly basis seem to share your viewpoint. They are either silent or explicitly against it.

I am very much in touch with what is going on over there. My last trip was summer of 2017. Less than a year ago. I've been participating in commercial sex in Germany for a couple decades now. I've lived in Germany, so I understand the culture. And if one keeps up with the various boards that's actually more information than one could possibly get as an individual. That's exactly why these boards exist.

But that's actually irrelevant to the substance of my arguments, which you've almost completely ignored. If any of the following is false, please do cite evidence showing that is so. The nature of points 1 through 7 is such that the date of my last visit is irrelevant.

My opinions on this are based on many years (approx. 25) of experience not only participating in forums like ISG, but actually creating and managing them.

Points worth considering:

1. The new law has been around for many months now, and the impact has been slight. By most accounts most places still have the same BB services they always have. The main impact has been to push BB services into the rooms and out of public areas.

2. The few cases of BB services causing girls problems are not unique to the post-law period. Most of the trouble is made by girls who don't want to provide BB services, see the ones who do as having a competitive advantage (true!) and want to undercut them. This is the same problem that was here before the law. The law in fact has little to do with it.

3. For the most part things posted here are not news to the girls, the operators, or the police. They already know more about what is going on than any of us do.

4. The law as such is unenforcible. Only the men can be penalized by the law. But as a practical manner, what sequence of events would lead to that? How many men have actually been prosecuted? (I'm not aware of a single one. But even a handful would be noise in the equation.).

5. Any impact of the law is due to an irrational (remember, it's unenforcible) fear of the law, and that will cause men to self-censor. Those trying to cause men to self-censor are assisting the law in the only way it can even hope to succeed. I. e. The police aren't enforcing this law, you are.

6. The management of this board has asked that posters *not* tell others to not post.

7. If not posting about illegal activities was to be the rule, many countries on ISG would have to be completely deleted from the site. Do you think that should happen too?

I can commit to the following: I'll stop encouraging people to post about BB services when others stop telling them not to.

[Neurosynth]

As I said, I don't recall where in the lecture he mentionned it regarding money, but to see the buildup to what is money essentially, watching the first lecture at least, is vital to get the backgroud. You can call this whatever fancy word you want for all I care.

All I am saying is that I rather trust in a Yale professor than on a bigwig on an anonymous internet discussion board. Heck, I trust a professor from Yale over 99% of all journalism I read also. He even starts his first lecture by pointing out how extensively wrong so many people in society are regarding these things. And as opposed to 99% of other people, his logic seems solid to me.

Besides, trade came way later than the exchange of sex for resources. But again, you need to see the background for this to understand it.

Interesting that in your reply you delete the specific thing I ask about. If you can't summarize the evidence from memory then you don't really understand the basis of the argument you are referencing. And I'm certainly not going to hunt through a one hour video for evidence that you yourself found so unmemorable.

If you want to claim that money was invented so that prostitution could be possible, the burden of proof is on you.

[Rogue Nation]

I think we've pointed this out before. You mentioned that you have not visited an FKK or Germany altogether since the beginning of 2017. Without first hand experience, I'm confused as to how you are qualified to make your assessments. On the other hand, none of the members who visit the clubs on a daily, weekly, or even monthly basis seem to share your viewpoint. They are either silent or explicitly against it.

I've had about 40-50 club visits this year. I'm not silent. I still have the same opinion about what the danger of reports containing BBBJ is. It didn't kick in until now, neither did the registration. But the period tolerating non registration will be over soon. Clubs will be checked by authorities. Clubs will not accept any girls without papers anymore. And clubs will make sure not to provide any reason for authorities to fine them. Let's not give them any reason from our side.

[Takedown]

1. I am unaware of any poll of people visiting clubs daily, weekly or any other frequency cited.

2. There is zero correlation between the additional experience gained from high frequency visits and being right on the argument here, which is "does providing accurate description of services already rendered, IN COMPLIANCE WITH BOARD RULES, have a material and provable impact on the services rendered in future?

3. Does an alpha male need conformity with group members - that the other members agree with him - to prove his point of view is the right one? Hmm.

The previous post was in response to an individual who claims that recent laws had no effect on the FKK scene when he has yet to personally experience the scene himself. I think it is obvious why some may take issue with that. Your response here only suggests to me that you are commenting only to be argumentative.

At no point did I claim to be an alpha male. But smart individuals do tend to value the information gained from those who may be more informed and integrate it into his own belief system.

Thank you and please insert another quarter to play again.

[Takedown]

But you do.

If feminist = anti mongering, there is no need to diatribe against the anti mongering aspect of feminist, because very likely that all ISG members already agree.

If there are other aspects of feminists besides anti mongering, that is irrelevant to this board.

It doesn't seem like you agree since you blasted some of us with the feminism scapegoat theory.

It's the lounge and chat thread. People talk about all sorts of topics not specific to mongering; politics, economics, and society. The admins made it for the purpose of being off topic; otherwise there would not be both a general thread and lounge thread.

[Member #4581]

....you have not visited an FKK or Germany altogether since the beginning of 2017. Without first hand experience, I'm confused as to how you are qualified to make your assessments. On the other hand, none of the members who visit the clubs on a daily, weekly, or even monthly basis seem to share your viewpoint. They are either silent or explicitly against it.

1. I am unaware of any poll of people visiting clubs daily, weekly or any other frequency cited.

2. There is zero correlation between the additional experience gained from high frequency visits and being right on the argument here, which is "does providing accurate description of services already rendered, IN COMPLIANCE WITH BOARD RULES, have a material and provable impact on the services rendered in future?

3. Does an alpha male need conformity with group members - that the other members agree with him - to prove his point of view is the right one? Hmm.

[Member #4581]

The point is discussion. Obviously not everyone shares the same viewpoint that feminists are antimongering as evident by the last 3 pages of this thread.

But you do.

If feminist = anti mongering, there is no need to diatribe against the anti mongering aspect of feminist, because very likely that all ISG members already agree.

If there are other aspects of feminists besides anti mongering, that is irrelevant to this board.

[Takedown]

In any case, what's the point of ranting against these so called feminists here? If we agree with your definition of feminist = anti mongering, at least on this forum one thing that unites all of us is that we are all 100% pro mongering. What's the point of this preaching to the choir, with all this endless anti (anti mongering) sloganeering here? This space can definitely be put to better use, no??

The point is discussion. Obviously not everyone shares the same viewpoint that feminists are antimongering as evident by the last 3 pages of this thread.

[HungryStud101]

I do the same thing. Hmmm I would do her for 50! Wouldn't do her for 50 but maybe 30 in the rtc's. 4 ribeye steaks costs $43? That's a half hour with Hanna at Acapulco! $80 to fill up my gas tank?! That's a 30 min BJ with CIM!

LOL that is why one Monger signs his posts "I spent all my money on beer and girls. The rest I wasted. ".

Can't wait to get back in the saddle.

[Takedown]

It's been about a year since my last trip to Germany. Usually I go 2 or 3 times a year.

My opinions on this are based on many years (approx. 25) of experience not only participating in forums like ISG, but actually creating and managing them.

Points worth considering:

1. The new law has been around for many months now, and the impact has been slight. By most accounts most places still have the same BB services they always have. The main impact has been to push BB services into the rooms and out of public areas.

2. The few cases of BB services causing girls problems are not unique to the post-law period. Most of the trouble is made by girls who don't want to provide BB services, see the ones who do as having a competitive advantage (true!) and want to undercut them. This is the same problem that was here before the law. The law in fact has little to do with it.

I think we've pointed this out before. You mentioned that you have not visited an FKK or Germany altogether since the beginning of 2017. Without first hand experience, I'm confused as to how you are qualified to make your assessments. On the other hand, none of the members who visit the clubs on a daily, weekly, or even monthly basis seem to share your viewpoint. They are either silent or explicitly against it.

[Mr Ho]

"Successful" means self made by sweat, talent and sacrifice. Some do it for money, but the latter is not the only measure. Some scientists and mathematicians are on the hunt for secrets of the universe or biology etc. But for those who made it financially by self effort, and I have been lucky to be in that club, do tend to have an unreasonable, never accept no, driven, mania type vision. I am yet to meet a beta (as previously defined) who is exceptional on self made effort. But merely having money is not successful per se. That was my point. Inheritance does not entitle you to act superior. You have to have done something exceptional. The alphas are usually creators and leaders. Betas are takers and followers. And some people are in between at various ends of the spectrum at different times.

Also, keep in mind it is noble to have tried hard and failed. It is the trying and persistence that counts, not just a crude "no money, you are a loser, Go die". An alpha gets back on the horse and rides again. They rarely give up. That drive is a very male thing.

We need to be careful with terms like right and left wing, successful and beta / alpha. An awful lot of misdirection and assumptions and definition disconnect lurks and otherwise good dialogue can founder on the rocks because we are not talking the same language or concept. This is why science and math define terms and assumptions carefully..

Full time professional mongers are either most interesting and intelligent because he thought with his own brain to find his own way to achieve best sex life man can ever dream of instead of accepting society norms we are forced upon during our upbringing in school, society etc.

Or full time professional mongers are most stupid as he simply did not think at all LOL or did not use his brain to think but thought with his dick only and dick keep on leading him to brothel or related facility like German FKK LOL.

It is one of the two above.

[Bfsie]

I can commit to the following: I'll stop encouraging people to post about BB services when others stop telling them not to.

Without getting into the detailed discussion of this issue again, I like your commitment. Our monger community is a very tiny small community and in the end we ought to consider and help each other among the members of our community.