German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Takedown]

What is a beta male? Not agreeing with the anti women garbage makes you a beta male?

In 21st century, you are an alpha male if you make or have plenty of money, and have the freedom that comes with it. If you don't, you are a beta male.

Read the posts that I quoted more carefully. They specifically point out that it was not about being anti women, it was anti femi-nazism.

Beta male = pushover.

Beta males are the ones who succumb to the wishes of the phoney signal valuers. You can have all the money you want but if someone else is running your finances, you're probably a beta male.

[Pahllus Maximus]

Firstly, some hilarious comments, like "Presumably, before humanity invented this feminist species, honey and milk and booze flowed freely throughout the land and every man had a million young girls to fuck in his personal harem". True, though Tiberius and nobility have always had sex on demand. It's the rest of us who struggle in the competition for shelter, food, love and sex.

The comment about a brothel being somehow a functional, transaction only place with men in private (and perhaps shameful?) bubbles ignores the inherent social interaction and vulnerability. It also ignores that people becomes friends at restaurants and indeed anywhere humans congregate. I have in times past hung out with guys in discos and scored many times with the girls. Brothels simply increase the odds of scoring and strip away the posturing. You still have to decide what (if anything) proceeds beyond a meeting and what time resources and authenticity you choose to invest, and that applies to the girls and / or other punters that range from Jabba the Hutt to sophisticated, fit post-graduate alpha males. Who makes us feel ashamed? And why should we be ashamed? Do you feel shamed buying a meal at a restaurant? Staying at a hotel? Why is sex any different? It needs to be brought into the daylight. That is what Germany has done, in a manner of speaking.

Thanks Pistons for the lectures. I learned something. It is a good question why Germany is so liberated. I'm no sociologist, but here goes. Firstly, Europe can and does differentiate between nudity and sexuality. Secondly, Germans tend to be pretty direct and no bullshit, unlike the USA where there is a lot of window dressing, politeness and concealment. UK English might better be called "euphemism" such is its degree of indirection. My experience in life is that serious, active people tend to be active below the belt, and that describes Germany. Thirdly, I think Germany is all about building and creating (why so many have serious arts and crafts and hobbies) and are not distracted by what other people get up where it is harmless. Fourthly is the rational mindset of "biology and history are this, we must accept it and get on with it". Fifthly is that freedom of sexuality is solace for grey sky and hard work and an expression of life force.

Germany is not the only country with liberated sexuality. Netherlands is another, Australia and New Zealand legalised in the 1980's on the same idea better to decriminalise it and tax it that gets around the corruption created by any artificial shortage. As I learn German, read Faust and more, I see that this land is an amalgamation of very different cultures with a bit of the Calvinist work ethic but also a long tradition of tolerance and innovation needed to be a successful trading economy. My experience in Germany is yes, a bit legalistic, but deeply rational and a well traveled, educated and informed population. The latter I think is the key. It is ignorance, mindless slogans, denial of reality, impulsiveness of making laws for the current whim, grand standing politicians and fake binary choices like in the USA that creates the mischief. Look at the insane money spent on the drugs and sex prohibition that has utterly failed society and its goal. Germany is smarter.

As to the nazis, they were quite debauched and frisky, and the 1920's was very risque. There is a current series called "Berlin" that is 100% German filmed in Berlin that does an excellent job of explaining the zeitgeist. I love this country.

[Member #4581]

because I got a private message from one member right after I posted my view about posting BBBJ on ISG on LR thread, and he told me that you (I just double-checked it is you) were a major ISG member who encouraged other members to post illegal activities in FKK clubs.


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Let other members make their own decision of whether to post their BBBJ experience if any and don't encourage them to post it.



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The endless BBBJ discussion.

So, why is doing the actual illegal deed as you call BBBJ just fine but talking about it bothers you? Isn't the act much worse than the discussion? If the “illegality” of it bothers anyone, that man is welcome to just get a CBJ.

“Let people post what they want”.....Very good advice. No one forced people to post about BBBJ. However, some ISG members wanted other members not to post about the services actually obtained.

[Neurosynth]

I got a private message from one member right after I posted my view about posting BBBJ on ISG on LR thread, and he told me that you (I just double-checked it is you) were a major ISG member who encouraged other members to post illegal activities in FKK clubs. I hope you have changed your approach on BBBJ issue. You know that many FKK regulars and frequent international mongers disagree with you on this issue.

My opinions on this are based on many years (approx. 25) of experience not only participating in forums like ISG, but actually creating and managing them.

Points worth considering:

1. The new law has been around for many months now, and the impact has been slight. By most accounts most places still have the same BB services they always have. The main impact has been to push BB services into the rooms and out of public areas.

2. The few cases of BB services causing girls problems are not unique to the post-law period. Most of the trouble is made by girls who don't want to provide BB services, see the ones who do as having a competitive advantage (true!) and want to undercut them. This is the same problem that was here before the law. The law in fact has little to do with it.

3. For the most part things posted here are not news to the girls, the operators, or the police. They already know more about what is going on than any of us do.

4. The law as such is unenforcible. Only the men can be penalized by the law. But as a practical manner, what sequence of events would lead to that? How many men have actually been prosecuted? (I'm not aware of a single one. But even a handful would be noise in the equation.).

5. Any impact of the law is due to an irrational (remember, it's unenforcible) fear of the law, and that will cause men to self-censor. Those trying to cause men to self-censor are assisting the law in the only way it can even hope to succeed. I. e. The police aren't enforcing this law, you are.

6. The management of this board has asked that posters *not* tell others to not post.

7. If not posting about illegal activities was to be the rule, many countries on ISG would have to be completely deleted from the site. Do you think that should happen too?

I can commit to the following: I'll stop encouraging people to post about BB services when others stop telling them not to.

[Member #4581]

What is a beta male? Not agreeing with the anti women garbage makes you a beta male?

In 21st century, you are an alpha male if you make or have plenty of money, and have the freedom that comes with it. If you don't, you are a beta male.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Picking up street walkers in Boston "combat zone"

The bottom line: shame on US! I plan my retirement in a different part of the world.

Well this post sure brings back some fun memories of 1987-89. Looks like we have enjoyed in common more than just Germany. I visited the combat zone ' a few times' , we would often go grab 3 or 4 of them and bring them back up to the frat house off Harvard Avenue between BU and BC right by the old Marty's Liquor Store in Allston off Harvard Avenue as they honored our fake PA licenses. I would be impressed if you remembered that store as I think it burned to the ground. I would be even more impressed if you remembered a store on the fringes of the combat zone called ' Jack's Joke Shop' , was popular with those who enjoyed smoking colorful green flowers.

Good memories!

I too plan retirement in Europe (think Spain) and if for some reason the Gypsies get tech savvy and transfer all my savings to Romanian or Bulgarian banks than I will have to consider Panama and living on the handouts of the pensionado program and sit in Habanos or the Veneto Casino nightly screwing girls from Colombia, Cuba and Venezuela.

At least you have experienced most that life has to offer from your life's story you openly shared. I can not provide such a good story. Thanks for sharing.

[Mr Ho]

As a male in my 50's from US, I went through a series of stage changes in my life. College. Marriage. First child. Denied quality of home food and regular sex from wife as a "punishment" for disagreeing with her. Picking up street walkers in Boston "combat zone". Escorts in Boston, NY, Miami, Vegas, LA, Seattle, Toronto, Montreal, the Caribbeans. Had a few sex affairs outside marriage primarily with female colleagues at work.

When I hit my 40's, I was getting nearly zero sex at home. Maybe a few times a year on vacations and after both of us being drunk after a party. Went to a lawyer for consultations on legal divorce. Took about a year to weigh in on all options. And when I was already in active stages of searching for a rental apartment to separate and move out of the house, the wife came in and said she had a colon cancer..

Thank you for coming out sir. Wow, you had a quite a ride for past 20 years or so.

I am in my mid or rather becoming late 30's and I began mongering since age 17 or 18. I studied in Europe since young age, so I did both normal girls and also professional girls throughout my life, but big change happened when I turned about 26 years old. I begin to think all this courting girls, basically to get good sex is not efficient, and I switched more and more toward mongering via escort service and some good brothels in Europe and no more normal girls as it just was not efficient enough for me and cost me more to maintain normal girls, so I dedicated myself to be full time professional monger craving for stunners of stunners level beauty girls. At this stage I managed to fuck some porn stars and also even some model and actress now some are in TV before they become famous.

At age 29. I discovered German FKK, it was Artemis in Berlin. And I went crazy there as I finally found the place where it made sense to me and gives me stable supply of young beautiful girls, back then Artemis had few stunners new ones on each of my visit. Then I continued on to focus on Germany for my sex life. In recent years, it get harder to find stunners as much as before in FKK, but I still manage here and there and now that I am close to 40 years old, I am more calm and I do not need to cum like 7 times every day like I used to, I do about 2 to max 5 rooms per day in FKK. More calm.

So this pretty much is my life and I kind of noticed what you noticed with your life before it happening to me, so I decided so far to choose my sex life over so called normal life since age 26 till now I am 38 this year. This is because I thought marriage got it pros and cons, but more cons and sooner or later, wife become burden and it just did not make sense to me as a guy who seek to have best sex life man can have, so far I did quite good and I am still not that old, so with all the things I learnt my self and also things I learnt from older mongers here on forum, I am going to put all that learning into my strategy for my 40's to live even more good efficient sex life, so when I die in older days, I know that I lived the best sex life I could have lived.

It is very educational for me to talk to some monger here on forum as they re recognize me about something I thought about and also gives me opening for new way of thinking also.

It is funny, now that I am 38 years old, and quite few girls I met in university and school who were much younger are coming back to me and they are around 28 to 32, I guess I am good candidate for husband, some are good looking girls and parents are rich too, but I know this marrying beta thing so no way I will choose that path, plus marriage life will put brake for me on mongering in area of time and limited money also as marriage is just so expensive both financially, time, nerve. Ah everything and why would I put my self in to guaranteed drama, money issues, stress? Where I can have better sex life mongering and I never get this thing when wife seems to hold sex as weapon to control men. I mean as if we cannot get it somewhere else as long as we fly to Austria or Germany or Zurich LOL.

[Neurosynth]

But to me, anthropology is far far more interesting than what most forumers in here believe. Because anthropology is science and history based, while most views I read in here are socially driven based on random concepts.

If you care to learn about it:

https://youtu.be/mzdqyXtPbbE

Pistons, if you have evidence that backs up your opinions, just show it here. Just waving your hands and saying "oh it's all science, watch this hour long video" is not a well formed argument, it's a copout.

For example you said:

Sex is the main reason money was created in the first place, and the main reason power over resources started. (And sex is about reproduction).

Money was created so that older men would have more of it than younger men. Thus younger women would seek out to have sex with older men more than with younger men.

Where is your "scientific" and "anthropological" evidence that this little myth of yours has any truth at all. How would you disprove the simple hypothesis that money merely made material trade easier by providing a fungible medium, and had nothing to do with sex per se.

[Bfsie]

Neurosynth. I think you made very good points both on your last post about "women-hating" and post about "women find prostitution difficult". I agree with you and enjoy them. Quite frankly I was a little surprised that you made such good points because I got a private message from one member right after I posted my view about posting BBBJ on ISG on LR thread, and he told me that you (I just double-checked it is you) were a major ISG member who encouraged other members to post illegal activities in FKK clubs. I hope you have changed your approach on BBBJ issue. You know that many FKK regulars and frequent international mongers disagree with you on this issue. Please find some other topics (like these two topics of "women-hating" and "women find prostitution difficult", which I think you made very good points) to make your points and don't choose the topic of whether to posting BBBJ, of which your view has potentially great harm to all the other members and readers. Let other members make their own decision of whether to post their BBBJ experience if any and don't encourage them to post it.

My personal view on posting BBBJ is: IF (I emphasize big IF which is NOT happening thanks to most of FKK regulars and frequent international mongers with great restraint) there are WIDESPREAD posts containing BBBJ experience, it is not a possibility that FKK clubs will get some trouble, in the long run it is a certainty that FKK clubs will get some trouble, because you only need one disgruntled reader to report BBBJ-experience-post phenomenon to the authorities besides that the authorities could find this forum by themselves. Remember all the posts on ISG stay there for at least a couple of years and can be easily searched by using the keywords.

[Ortos]

And: I don't believe there are Nazis in charge of Germany any more, certainly not Nazis running FKK clubs.

I had a re-think: Maybe with a bit of make-up Mauro could play Mussolini in a film, no? Or: even Berlusconi? Hmmm.

[Pistons]

Not that I agree with the women hating stuff and that men should take what they want from luscious women. That is a bit silly.

But to me, anthropology is far far more interesting than what most forumers in here believe. Because anthropology is science and history based, while most views I read in here are socially driven based on random concepts.

If you care to learn about it:

https://youtu.be/mzdqyXtPbbE

[Takedown]

I actually love women and so do most mongers. A lot of the vitriol is directed at femi nazis and unless you are oblivious to reality there are loads of them around and they have political influence. Were you ever married? You do know the rules are stacked against you..

Neurosynth has a good point.

It is not hate women. It is that men in the USA need to become emotionally and financially resilient rather than laying the whole deck down on one individual (ie a women) and lash out when this foolish concentration of risk detonates. This is what FKKs are the opposite of when groups of male friends can behave like, men, that is chilling out and partaking of luscious young women in their prime..

I love fucking beautiful women, but I do not love them as human beings period. I just love having sex with them, not more not less.

Not so sure about the caveman manifesto, but don't misconstrue some of the posters here. Mr Ho's post notwithstanding, I think the others are speaking about the wave of extreme liberalism seen in the USA, which should be differentiated from European liberalism; the latter is more grounded by traditional values while the American version is fueled by irrational and inauthentic value signaling.

Like Delta said, some are just merely pointing out an uncontrolled agenda propagated by a segment motivated by self interest, while Pahllus is adding that some of the beta-males are at fault for letting it happen.

[Smoke Light]

I thought the same thing before.

Maybe, due to their rationalism lead to think, prostitution is there, so let legalize it, regulate it, control it and tax it for the efficiency for all parties.

Same in Japan for porn, it is most sick and crazy porn here, yet we got similar reputation as Germans like strict, organized, control fanatics etc. Though our regulation went bit too much for prostitution that are in gray zone, which leave me to have bareback sex once in awhile, quite often during paid act.

As a male in my 50's from US, I went through a series of stage changes in my life. College. Marriage. First child. Denied quality of home food and regular sex from wife as a "punishment" for disagreeing with her. Picking up street walkers in Boston "combat zone". Escorts in Boston, NY, Miami, Vegas, LA, Seattle, Toronto, Montreal, the Caribbeans. Had a few sex affairs outside marriage primarily with female colleagues at work.

When I hit my 40's, I was getting nearly zero sex at home. Maybe a few times a year on vacations and after both of us being drunk after a party. Went to a lawyer for consultations on legal divorce. Took about a year to weigh in on all options. And when I was already in active stages of searching for a rental apartment to separate and move out of the house, the wife came in and said she had a colon cancer.

After some 3 years of treatments she survived. So did our shamble marriage, compounded with the needs to care for the now elderly parents. What about me? I reverted to porn. More and more. At some point porn got me feel depressed. I would not admit it to myself back then, but today I say it firmly, yes, I was seriously depressed.

I don't have anything against porn, but in US, porn is often regarded by mass media to be instant solution to any male's sex problem. No sex? Just go and jerk off to porn. This hypocrisy of legalized porn along side with banned prostitution is killing men's sexual performance, as for example, Gary Wilson reports in his "The great porn experiment" talk https://youtu.be/wSF82AwSDiU.

Although I do not agree with all points of view expressed in the video, it conveys the essence of any asocial porn consumption being a significant problem at any man's age.

Luckily, I quickly caught myself slipping into this women-sex-depraved depression and forced myself to switch mongering overseas. And it wasn't easy at first. My initial two or three trips I had trouble finishing in rubber, favoring CIM or HJ providers as my "safety net", longer rooms, and general overspending. Gradually, my condom performance improved with girls offering excellent DFK. Alas, I started to cum in rubber more and more often, feeling better and better. Thanks to all of these ladies!

The bottom line: shame on US! I plan my retirement in a different part of the world.

[Rogue Nation]

+1.

It is so tiresome having to read the same cliche filled rants repeated ad nauseum.

+1. Even in the lounge and chat area it is just getting boring, tiresome and ridiculous.

[Member #4581]

If you've read one "caveman manifesto" you've read them all.

Guys if you must make these women-hating, insult filled, pseudo-scientific, psyche-purging, mythology filled screeds, please at least make them a bit legitimate by including some evidence. By evidence I don't mean speculation that fits your psychological needs. I mean real evidence like peer-reviewed scientific studies, or articles, or books written by recognized experts.

What I see in these posts are the ravings one might expect from a wandering drunk locked out of his bar past closing time.

+1.

It is so tiresome having to read the same cliche filled rants repeated ad nauseum. Around here, "feminist" is the bogey man. Whatever your worldview (from extreme left to extreme right) is, as long as you make feminists the scapegoat for all the lousy things happening in your life, you will get applause lines from other frustrated mongers. Be that as it may, why do we need to read the same cra $p a million times in a thread dedicated to German FKK? Ofc these posters will claim every and any ill in the world emanates from the misdeeds of these feminist bogey wo/men and hence these feminists can blamed for everything — from bbbj ban to a broken shower in Sharks. Presumably, before humanity invented this feminist species, honey and milk and booze flowed freely throughout the land and every man had a million young girls to fuck in his personal harem.