German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Pistons]

Sex is the main reason money was created in the first place, and the main reason power over resources started. (And sex is about reproduction).

Money was created so that older men would have more of it than younger men. Thus younger women would seek out to have sex with older men more than with younger men. Henceforth the ancient story of an older man and a younger woman. But don't fool yourself into thinking it is a natural instinctive desire for a woman to be sexually into older men. If it was, then money would not have been invented in the first place as a mechanism of doing so. It is a result of the capitalistic plot. Men, just like women age. 40 years doesn't have to be the end however. I have seen MILFs at around 50 also. But stretching it much further than that is harder.

By the same logic and history, prostitution was not the reaction of money, and the first 'job' in the world. Prostitution was the cause, and the reason to create money in the first place. Think about that the next time you lift a salary.

P.S: Even faiths and religious beliefs mentions this link if you look carefully. But the forum won't allow me to delve into this matter.

[Pahllus Maximus]

What a concept. Intelligent, free men of all ages enjoying each other's company and intellect whilst we ogle beautiful young women. That is what the bull dykes and sexually invisible sisters and their nihilistic cliches are jealous and fearful of. Because takes male eyeballs and resources away from their cloying grasp. And also because women mostly lose their looks after 40 and grannies ogling young guys at FKK's is just not what women generally do, and why there is no market for it. In essence, they lose their sexual force and a key part of a woman's identity and power, namely looks. Women do not dress up and put on makeup just for the hell of it. And of course, there are many women who do not have this female character flaw.

Women are jealous that we are men and are able to get lucky when they cannot or are not interested. It is our life force they resent. We can have gret hair and be senior and still have pretty young things smiling at us. Not so with the older, ordinary, chubby female.

I am coming round to the idea that the men's groups are angry for the wrong reasons. Those guys invested too much emotionally and financially in trusting a single point of failure (a western woman) rather than the ancient way of when men formed strong and close social groups and spread their trust and emotional bets with each other. The traditional society saw men in engaged in fun things, whether a coffee, fishing are chasing pretty girls. The Masons, Lion's and Rotary Clubs were more or less a cover story to hang out and do useful things. Women certainly spread their bets and whining amongst other women (and in the West, do not spare their male partner from their whining and complaining).

This lost art of masculine society what we as men forgot and why we feel marooned by feminism; the West lost sight of the best part of being a man: having fun and trusted relationships with other men unpolluted by sexual tension and haveing some time out from being a captive breadwinner for ungrateful women and their often ungrateful brood. Just ask any parent about teenagers if you doubt that.

And so when marriages break up, and statistically they are biased at doing so, men get fucked over, not just by the legal system, but aso emotionally. They forgot to build redundancy. Back up. Into their lives. Whining about women and feminism and blaming it or the entire femail population is not the answer. The answer is to act like a man, be emotionally stong and open, but well in advance, and with trusted male friends. We need to teach young men and ourselves this ancient art.

I have a theory that insecure women are terrified of us figuring this, being resiliant out and not needing them so much, or at all. Hookers are the perfect bit of fluff for men, we get the best of all worlds: NOT being under the pussy monopoly or foolishly having ivested our whole deck of emotional cards with a single point of failure woman.

So, what this has to do with P2 P is this: rather than living under tyranny of P2 P unfriendly countries (in fact anti-male, but dressed up as trafficking, itself caused by artificial scarcity and supra profits = crime), leave them be.

Join the talent and money exodus from our failed social experiment in the USA that is now just a market, and one with highly repressive laws and militarized cops who shoot and arrest indiscriminately, like unpaid $50 parking tickets in many places.

Those in control take offense that as living, functioning red-blooded males, we like pretty women and engage in the oldest tradition that was invented about the same time when people started trading food and shelter. The reasons are deeply rooted in economics and controlling and channeling male energy, talent, wealth creation toward reproductive enslavement.

We have anti-P2 P laws abut ignore kooks with assault rifles and regular mass slaughter. The only thing I want to shoot is my seed into the hot mouth of a pretty girl. It strikes me as inherently deranged that it is legal to buy assault rifles (that are inherently anti-social and deadly) but frown upon and spend resources trying to cock block and lecturing us about male entitlement.

I'd wager 95% of the guys here and elsewhere will show chivalry very naturally and automatically when put the position of needing to protect women and kids. We don't need their condescending bullshit lectures or dictating who we can consensually sleep with.

[Mongerer88]

Given the number of Romanians in an FKK, it seems that perhaps a few are doing applied economics, if this article is to be believed.

http://positivenewsromania.com/2017/...nomics-sector/

Very well said. These girls are the ultimate capitalists / salespeople / small business owners. They really have to hustle to "make-it" and the ones that survive have to be quick thinkers. They absorb languages like a sponge and they size me up at a glance. They segment their customers at a glance. Is it racist? I don't think they care. They care about extracting as much money as they can per hour to maximize profits. Socialism does not exist at the FKK.

I sometimes wonder why there is very little service after the sale. There is, when I drop 300+ for a 3 sum or spend 2-hours with a repeat girl. Then I realize, that there would be more service after sale if they thought, based on experimental data, that they could extract more money to maximize profits. I have never discussed integral calculus or geopolitics with any of them but I know I am a fool to think I can outwit these sharks playing their game on their court. These sharks that have survived in a shark tank that is. I realize that I am a hobbyist and a binge hobbyist at that. These girls are professionals.

Whenever I let my guard down it's bam. There goes my budget. LOL I love it.

[Pistons]

Totally agree, but funny that the FKK system itself is like a socialism at its best. Basic E50 for 30 minutes plus sometimes happy hour and other entry discounts. A euphoric dream compared to other parts of the world. Place caring for the disabled, the elderly, the lonely, the veterans, people with no social skills, and us, the horny hobbyists! Most wonderful and humane environment that must be preserved and cherished despite occasional sharky girls LOL.

Indeed, but the top girls (by any measurement) gets so much more appealing than the less appealing girls when prices are even. So the differences shoots through the roof. Elsewhere in society, top girls would have prized themselves out of the market, and most likely their monthly or yearly income would fall due to it. (Some top girls might some places say "well, I get away with lesser service. Everybody still wants me". And they might be right for awhile if their optics are stellar. (But eventually service will catch up to them).

The prices are set at rates where the total income is believed to be the highest, and that is where they don't shun parts of the potential customer base. Weather or not they hit the perfect spot at 50 is a different question. Perhaps not. Especially when we see upselling ruining the basic static pricing structure. So girls are unhappy with the 50's, and then the overall income drops. Alternatively one can say that clubs have no control over the pricing structure in their clubs any longer, and pricing strategy has been lost in the sand, hurting integrity and income levels both for the clubs and girls. Some German clubs might just attract more top girls and gain more customers if they dared to go up to 60, 65 or even 70. As that is a much better way of fragmenting the market than the current situation leads to. But only if most types of upselling stopped. And it could be difficult now with the BBBJ ban.

[McAdonis]

I sometimes wonder why there is very little service after the sale. There is, when I drop 300+ for a 3 sum or spend 2-hours with a repeat girl. Then I realize, that there would be more service after sale if they thought, based on experimental data, that they could extract more money to maximize profits.

Regarding being able to extract more money, you probably don't come across as what another poster, Horny Harry, refers to as a "lovesick puppy".

Does the WG believe she can easily get the monger to "fall" for her? She can profile the customer to see if he is lovesick puppy material: Is he depressed or lonely? New to the hobby Recently divorced? Recently recovering from a major illness? Older? Emotionally needy?

But if service after sale is seriously a concern, you can try either clubs that are less busy or attending off-peak hours. It seems you are spending the minimums. Sometimes the service after sale is not just about cultivating a relationship with the monger she is sitting with, but it also can be good advertising for other customers who are watching. It also enhances her "scarcity" factor.

I have never discussed integral calculus or geopolitics with any of them but I know I am a fool to think I can outwit these sharks playing their game on their court. These sharks that have survived in a shark tank that is. I realize that I am a hobbyist and a binge hobbyist at that. These girls are professionals.

Whenever I let my guard down it's bam. There goes my budget. LOL I love it.

WGs need not be more intelligent than a monger. The WGs know from past experience that "romantic love" will short-circuit the rational and logical-side part of the monger's brain. When an otherwise intelligent person is overcome with emotions, his judgement is impaired. Wishful thinking and self-deception set in. When a monger has fallen for a WG, and already invested a fortune, he fears ending the transactions, because he fears any hopes for a "real" romantic relationship will end there as well.

[Mr Ho]

Totally agree, but funny that the FKK system itself is like a socialism at its best. Basic E50 for 30 minutes plus sometimes happy hour and other entry discounts. A euphoric dream compared to other parts of the world. Place caring for the disabled, the elderly, the lonely, the veterans, people with no social skills, and us, the horny hobbyists! Most wonderful and humane environment that must be preserved and cherished despite occasional sharky girls LOL.

How about socialism exist in FKK supported by capitalism LOL This is true LOL.

[Mr Ho]

Totally agree, but funny that the FKK system itself is like a socialism at its best. Basic E50 for 30 minutes plus sometimes happy hour and other entry discounts. A euphoric dream compared to other parts of the world. Place caring for the disabled, the elderly, the lonely, the veterans, people with no social skills, and us, the horny hobbyists! Most wonderful and humane environment that must be preserved and cherished despite occasional sharky girls LOL.

We appreciate FKK as it was before the law, but even now we still get it after some negotiation, so it is all still cool. Let us enjoy it while it last and I hope FKK won't change its format in future if it does I hope it get back to how it was or hopefully some other nations open door to same system as German FKK.

[Smoke Light]

Socialism does not exist at the FKK.

Totally agree, but funny that the FKK system itself is like a socialism at its best. Basic E50 for 30 minutes plus sometimes happy hour and other entry discounts. A euphoric dream compared to other parts of the world. Place caring for the disabled, the elderly, the lonely, the veterans, people with no social skills, and us, the horny hobbyists! Most wonderful and humane environment that must be preserved and cherished despite occasional sharky girls LOL.

[Mr Ho]

Identifying the price difference and quality in different markets was not at all the point of my post; rather, it was to point out that there is great variety in WG personalities and service levels within the FKK scene, even if they are almost all poor girls from Eastern Europe. It would behoove the hardcore monger to identify such differences to maximize his experience with a WG.

I've learned that the good WGs are much better at identifying the differences between individual clients than the average monger is at identifying different types of WGs. I don't mean just knowing if a girl gives a great BJ, is a great rider, or is great in doggie. Many WGs are actually turned on by either an intelligent mind, or a kind heart, or an arrogant asshole.

Maybe some guys always just want a dirty fuckbag and not knowing anything about the WG works for those guys. Some guys always look for the GFE that makes them feel special.

For me, sometimes I want a dirty ****. Other times I want the sexy seductress. Perhaps I want a sensual GFE on a given day. Being able to identify those qualities in the WG or if she is able to switch personas allows me to get exactly what I want depending on my wants and needs that day. It's better than not valuing the conversation, the dance, and then being dissappointed because you are trying to put a round cock in a square hole.

Well now, I need just two or three good rooms in FKK, so I am much more calm, but problem is I do not find stunner level beauty that make me want to feel she is worth going for long hours session.

In those moment, I do see many beauty level girls who I only want to go for 30 min session only. I do miss time I got BBBJ only for 30 min session, it is getting harder.

[Pistons]

How to troll a feminist:

https://youtu.be/XS_kqEKSOJw

[Pistons]

Indeed, they discuss us more than we discuss them. Sometimes I feel they misjudge us, or me in particular if they wanted to maximise their earnings, but not everyone is perfect. Some are better than others. We all learn as we go, but girls are not stupid because a few of them have less life experience at the age of 22 than some of you here on ISG have at age 52.

[Rogue Nation]

Are the clients in FKK dumb? Into this minefield I will not tread, except to say that we all have enough surplus cash to give for a pretty face, a nice smile, and some flattery, (or as the Cane might put it, an ass a pussy, and a mouth LOL), or maybe a combination of all these.

Interesting question though. Successful businessmen and managers falling for „dumb" teens and twens who succeed to extract thousands of euros from them. The girls might not be well educated or intelligent. But smart they are. Not all of them, there's stupid girls around wasting years for loverboys taking their money and destroying their lives.

[Staple Stable]

I sometimes wonder why there is very little service after the sale. There is, when I drop 300+ for a 3 sum or spend 2-hours with a repeat girl. Then I realize, that there would be more service after sale if they thought, based on experimental data, that they could extract more money to maximize profits. I have never discussed integral calculus or geopolitics with any of them but I know I am a fool to think I can outwit these sharks playing their game on their court. These sharks that have survived in a shark tank that is. I realize that I am a hobbyist and a binge hobbyist at that. These girls are professionals..

Depends on the girls. Some have found that giving some free couch service helps bring back repeat customers, some have found that it doesn't help much. Certainly, if it's your first time there, they don't recognize you and don't see you as a long-term investment, but if they see you around all the time, they may be more inclined to try and make you want them.

[HungryStud101]

There are FKK girls speaking 4-5 languages, and they take money out of your pockets. I think that is a good measurement on who is the smart ones here. To be blunt here, perhaps half the members of this message board comes out to me as being less than intelligent, basing most of their knowledge on comic book literature. The ratio for FKK girls are probably about the same. Some of them might just have a hard time finding some customers interesting to talk to. A good joke might spice it up. With many Romanians I've noticed that dark humor is very well appreciated. Many FKK mongers on the other hand seems to lack dark humor and take themselves too seriously.

Very well said. These girls are the ultimate capitalists / salespeople / small business owners. They really have to hustle to "make-it" and the ones that survive have to be quick thinkers. They absorb languages like a sponge and they size me up at a glance. They segment their customers at a glance. Is it racist? I don't think they care. They care about extracting as much money as they can per hour to maximize profits. Socialism does not exist at the FKK.

I sometimes wonder why there is very little service after the sale. There is, when I drop 300+ for a 3 sum or spend 2-hours with a repeat girl. Then I realize, that there would be more service after sale if they thought, based on experimental data, that they could extract more money to maximize profits. I have never discussed integral calculus or geopolitics with any of them but I know I am a fool to think I can outwit these sharks playing their game on their court. These sharks that have survived in a shark tank that is. I realize that I am a hobbyist and a binge hobbyist at that. These girls are professionals.

Whenever I let my guard down it's bam. There goes my budget. LOL I love it.

[Solo Traveler]

To be blunt here, perhaps half the members of this message board comes out to me as being less than intelligent, basing most of their knowledge on comic book literature.L]

Well, it's unfair to judge people just because they don't act the way you expect them to.

I don't get why some people like to judge strangers whom they don't even know.

Everyone has something that he is not familiar with or know little about.

For example, a professor may know a lot about Academics, and know little about cars.

So, even a professor may look or sound very stupid if he goes to a meeting full of car fans.

It happened in real life, too.

One time, two Americans talked shit behind my back in a Burger King.

I was not familiar with the menu, not sure what to order, and not in a good condition due to Influenza at that time.

So, I probably ordered my food in a very slow, weird, or strange way.

They heard me ordering, and they started talking shit behind my back as if I wasn't there to hear them.

(Instead, I heard every single word they said clearly. And, yes, My English is up to native speaker level.).

"he didn't look smart. He looks slow."

"Maybe he had Down Syndrome. That's why he talked like that."

They talked a lot against me. I tried to ignore them at first, but when one of them said Down Syndrome, I couldn't stand their rude and nasty bullshit anymore.

I stood up, walked towards them deliberately, and gave stared at them fiercely!

"Shit. He understands us." They left their last comment, turned their faces away, and shut up finally.

(So, not only did they assume I was mentally disabled, but also assumed I wouldn't understand their English?

Let alone the seemingly racist part, the fact that they judge me solely by the way I ordered my food was very appalling.

If I see a person having a hard time ordering food in a restaurant, I will only think that maybe he is not familiar with the menu. I will never think of something rude and nasty like "he doesn't know any English" or "he is mentally disabled".

By the same token, saying someone is stupid or idiotic just because he doesn't act the way you expect on the Internet is very appalling, too.