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[Pistons]

Pistons. You are right that the undifferentiated pricing strategy is harmful.

Smart girls exploit the potential emotional needs of mongers and can be much more lucrative. Sometimes, in fact frequently, it can lead to far more than repeat custom, and provide gifts or scams ( in the case of unscrupulous girls) of thousands or tens of thousands of euros.

A girl giving good service can make easily 700 euros gross a day (I count rooms at basic rate, and exclude extras and tips). I saw this every day on my recent trip. Not bad going.

Indeed. It is like easy money for them right there and then. But in the long run they all loose when they try to be smart and make these mini scams.

When I was young and dumb at one of these FKK's I paid a girl upfront 4 hours. We stayed 2 HR in the room and then I asked for a break to eat and take a short nap. When I woke up at 11.00 I heard she had left. Suffice to say I never repeated, but saw the same silly girl about 20 times later. Mostly not making much money. She came to me a few times angrily stating that I had talked about her behind her back. I had barely talked about her, and not much negatively. She just had the wrong attitude and I bet others knew about the way she worked also. I could have talked her down to all the randoms I chatted with. These things are normal. Both guys and girls does it at these clubs. But here it didn't even seem like I needed to if I wanted to get back on her.

Karma comes around in the end.

While other great girls giving great service does like you say. They make tons of rooms. Making 700 a day perhaps just by the standard rate. ++.

[Samson Monger]

It There is one brothel in Germany specializing young beginners, of which I am a frequent guest. I knew many beginners (whom I have booked on their first-day in the brothel) backed out without doing any customer on their first day and never heard them again. Those beginners are considered to be much more open to prostitution, but still couldn't make this first step.

Which club are you speaking about?

[Optimist]

Pistons. You are right that the undifferentiated pricing strategy is harmful.

Smart girls exploit the potential emotional needs of mongers and can be much more lucrative. Sometimes, in fact frequently, it can lead to far more than repeat custom, and provide gifts or scams ( in the case of unscrupulous girls) of thousands or tens of thousands of euros.

A girl giving good service can make easily 700 euros gross a day (I count rooms at basic rate, and exclude extras and tips). I saw this every day on my recent trip. Not bad going.

[Pistons]

Then there are pervs like me who fuck teenies and old coked out hookers alike. Speaking of coked out hookers, Has anyone seen Monissa De from Bonn at GT lately?

Hey,

Look at it like this: Those who don't fuck around are only screwing themselves. They have been victims of social engineering into thinking their hormones were made by the devil himself. Religious bullshit having lured our entire society into a narrow self-inflicting painful path of jealousy and anger. And that is why fights and wars once started.

But not everywhere in the world this is the norm. The bonobo apes have one way to solve it. And the Himba tribe in Namibia lives in a society much like that also. Thus nobody has ever bothered about fighting, conquering or even taxing them.

[Vito Corleone]

Then there are pervs like me who fuck teenies and old coked out hookers alike. Speaking of coked out hookers, Has anyone seen Monissa De from Bonn at GT lately?

I haven't seen her since mid November. Not around when I visited in December or a couple weeks ago. She was a great session. Def coked out!

[Pistons]

This is a never ending discussion. The question is what people are willing to pay and what doesn't make their stomach feel bad afterwards. And if the women are satisfied with that amount. Most girls tell me numbers of sessions are the most important. The biggest total volume of willingness to pay and number og rooms that yields the most income is where the girls will be making the most money. Some girls try to differentiate clients on personal levels. Some misinterpret the men and thus loose money. Some play their cards right. Some wrong. The pricing strategy seems to have evolved the past few years, and it is getting more and more mechanical. Sometimes harming the passionate side of what makes most men go to seek out these clubs in the first place. Like the prostitute writing a book wrote: most men are not after sex, but passion. Well, she did say most. LOL.

[Member #4581]

Yeah man. Not a bad idea. Understand that from a WG's perspective, 50 euro doesn't by what it used to and then buy that German pensioner a beer because his retirement isn't worth what it could of been. Both have a little right to be a bit grumpy.

At least these Germans still have something called pension. If you are a millennial or Gen X American, pension is an archaic 7 letter word.

[Bfsie]

I assure you when I wrote the above statement, I was not writing to disagree with your "vast majority statement".

Then I don't understand why you quoted a part of my post. Well, if you were not writing to disagree with my "vast majority statement", we agree each other.

Below is where I disagree:

All we need is 0.25-0.50 percent of willing females. And that would still be plenty supply. Because not all men are interested in mongering. And "vast majority" of the men that do monger are not serious as you, I, or the most of the hardcore mongers who read ISG! Vast majority of willing females is not a pre-requisite to have overabundant supply, because there is not that much demand for WGs!

Where did I disagree with you on this?

[McAdonis]

Taking that initial first step to enter the profession is difficult.

I assure you when I wrote the above statement, I was not writing to disagree with your "vast majority statement". When things are difficult? People tend to avoid it. For example, if I stated "Climbing Mt Everest is difficult". And someone responded "Yes, a vast majority would never attempt to climb Mt. Everest". I would nod in agreement.

I am fully aware that the population of Germany is 80 million. I am the one that introduced the 400,000 figure. I am fully aware how to calculate percentages. I am also fully aware that 1% would never be considered a "vast majority" by anyone who has a command of the English language, so once I again I NEVER disagreed with your "vast majority" statement. Below is where I disagree:

All we need is 0.25-0.50 percent of willing females. And that would still be plenty supply. Because not all men are interested in mongering. And "vast majority" of the men that do monger are not serious as you, I, or the most of the hardcore mongers who read ISG! Vast majority of willing females is not a pre-requisite to have overabundant supply, because there is not that much demand for WGs!

It seems like you are arguing about semantics or the English language. Once again your opening paragraph when you joined the discussion #9738:

I just scanned through the past a few pages before I posted my above question, some posters think that the prostitute's price has not inflated for a long time and is determined by market supply and demand. I think it is not that simple

[Bfsie]

I can't believe I got myself into this LOL, but fortunately I have some free time these days. This healthy discussion is good for our community and hopefully it helps for understanding the issues interesting us.

McAdonis. After my initial post which is not to any poster, you had your first response with a part of my initial post as follows:

Vast majority of women mentally and psychologically can not be prostitutes no matter how much (in meaningful sense) they would be paid. They are categorically out of the prostitution business.

Taking that initial first step to enter the profession is difficult. That I will agree with. But once they've been performing the job a while, the work becomes routine. This is true even for "disgusting" work such as having sex with fat, old, ugly men. WG's learn to mentally shut off: "The first night I was nervous. I was going to have sex with guys I didn't know, guys I wouldn't choose as sex partners if I saw them walking down the street. But after the first night it just became automatic. ".

https://medium.com/@AJEnglish/storie...e-807ef6d83fc9

The problem is many mongers want more than physical sex, which means the WG cannot mentally shut off. Dealing with the monger's hard cock is apparently much easier than the "mental" side of the job: "The Johns regularly wind up merely wanting to talk, and so one of the hardest parts of the job isn't dealing with the hardest part of the client; it's making (or faking) an emotional connection with another human being for an extended period of time. Meredith found the whole "feigning intimacy" thing to be even more draining than sex. ".

http://www.cracked.com/personal-expe...ou-expect.html

So yes, there are societal stigmas and psychological barriers, but despite that there are still 250,000-400,000 WGs in Germany.

Any reader can clearly see that the purpose of your post is to (at least partially) disagree with me. Any reader and I would assume that from that point on our (you and me) discussion is about the disagreement of the part of my initial post quoted in your post.

In your last post, you stated:

...I never disagreed with the "Vast majority" argument. I said that the "First step was difficult" but I should have extended that to say that "First step was difficult that many would never take"....

Then we agree each other now.

[Optimist]

XXL. A very illuminating succinct and rational explanation thanks.

McAdonis. In your last paragraph you sum me up well. As time goes on there are fewer and fewer girls who pique my interest. Even a girl with nice lines like a super car may be just eye candy if she doesn't have something special for me.

I think you put your finger on the point about entering prostitution. The first step is the hardest due to the pressure XXL describes. If a girl lives in a society where those in control of public discourse are against prostitution then it is not easy to take this career choice. The usual way in seems to be if a woman has a friend in the business who is making more money than is otherwise available. This can create a snowball effect amongst fairly isolated (or discriminated against) groups.

Just think how, long ago, a woman rarely became a runner: they were told that it was a morally bad and physically unsuitable, thing for a woman to do, and society organised to make it unacceptable. Almost no women ran. Now, with different societal norms, women are seen running all the time (in my country at least).

[McAdonis]

Bfsie, when you entered the discussion, your opening paragraph stated that you scanned the previous pages about price inflation and supply and demand and believed these rules do not apply to WGs because the job is so unique. Then you provide two points to buttress your argument, even beginning your paragraphs with numbers. Point two, is where you introduce your "Vast majority of women would never be in this profession" statement. I assume this means that you believe supply will always be inherently limited, given your opening paragraph.

I never disagreed with the "Vast majority" argument. I said that the "First step was difficult" but I should have extended that to say that "First step was difficult that many would never take". But even with extreme small minorities entering profession (0. 5% I am arguing that there is more than enough supply. "Hardcore collectors" understandably may feel otherwise.

For example, I liken us hardcore mongers to hardcore car guys. Many men are in the market for a car, so we can consider them car guys. But the "hardcore" ones are willing to spend a disproportionate percentage of their income to own and upgrade limited edition cars. When one only has eyes for "limited" cars, then there will be lack of supply, because they don't care about the other cars available. Most men are much less picky with cars.

[XXL]

Let's clear up the topic. The topic we are discussing is, as I wrote in my initial post, "Vast majority (if not most) of women are mentally and psychologically unable to be a prostitute". Even if 1% of german population are prostitutes, it does not make the statement invalid, I would add that it could even makes the point of "Most (not vast majority) of women are mentally and psychologically unable to be a prostitute", if you consider 99% is most.....

Psychological inability to prostitute is bogus as it would apply to marriage just as well as to prostitution.

Intercourse is a big deal to men because men need to sustain an erection during sex. Men have a psychological stake in sexual intercourse no matter what.

A woman can choose to get wet and chase the orgasm, she can choose to feel nothing and just let it go over her, or she can choose anything in between. Sex to her is what she chooses it to be.

More importantly, even in countries where prostitution is legal or tolerated, there is massive legal, policing, educational and social pressure to prevent women from prostituting. If such massive pressure didn't exist, all attractive women would gravitate to some form of prostitution as soon as they were nubile. For a young attractive woman discovering her body and the power it represents, nothing can compete with prostitution in one form or another. This means that contrary to the official narrative, the challenge facing human Societies is not to protect their women from being trafficked or coerced into prostitution. Quite the reverse: the challenge facing human Societies is to prevent their girls from prostituting in droves.

This is why societal collapse is always accompanied by massive prostitution. Poverty is a red herring, or at best a confusing variable. If it weren't we would all be traveling to Bangla Desh.

[Bfsie]

Let's clear up the topic. The topic we are discussing is, as I wrote in my initial post, "Vast majority (if not most) of women are mentally and psychologically unable to be a prostitute". Even if 1% of german population are prostitutes, it does not make the statement invalid, I would add that it could even makes the point of "Most (not vast majority) of women are mentally and psychologically unable to be a prostitute", if you consider 99% is most. MORE IMPORTANTLY, we really have to consider the topic within EU, not only in Germany, as I pointed out in my previous post, and we really have to consider the factor of Gypsies, who counts for substantial percentage (maybe 80%) of prostitutes in EU and who may be culturally and socially easy to adapt to prostitution.

[McAdonis]

The number of 400 k prostitutes in Germany has been around in the press for a while. With no real hard fact base to it. I don't think it is that many. NRW is estimated to have about 25 k to 40 k prostitutes. Extrapolating that in relation to the population would give you 120 k to 200 k working girls. That could be more realistic. Alice Schwarzer once threw a number of 1 Mio on the table, that's ridiculous.

Where do you get the 25 K to 40 K figure for NRW?

Some other figures I've seen thrown around 3500 red-light establishments in Germany. 600 brothels just in Berlin. Perhaps a lot of part-time WGs. I've seen police officers come to apartments, asking the WGs if they had anything to report, not an actual raid. So local police seem to be aware of the sex establishments operating in their jurisdiction, and via regular visits, they should know how many WGs are at each. Then just a matter of rolling that information up. Maybe registration should clarify things.