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[Sirioja]

I think from when FKK as we know it kicked in from about mid 2000 ish till year 2017 July when BBBJ law kicked in, we monger lived golden best era for sexual mongering. German FKK was it.

I kind of am glad that I took part of that golden sexual era almost fully.

I know prostitution has been around since day one of humanity and oldest job and all that, but I think from mid 2000 ish till last July 2017, it was best years in history for sexual mongering.

Only exception is Brazil maybe but I never been there, so I cannot compare German FKK and Brazil.

What a golden years it was in Germany and I am glad I was right in it.

Despite new law, if you know how to behave with women, because even when paying, everything is not due for money, then Germany stay still very enjoyable for me for my week ends pleasures. Not for my holidays, I prefer ski and bicycle mountains climbing.

With my LR Eve who became ready for anything for money as I said to her, so far from what she claimed to be, but she always chose me before her big money clients. Even she is now very angry after I stopped with her and told her she is now only a prostitute for me, not anymore a attractive elegant woman, I m pretty sure she regrets more I don t value her anymore, treating her as a woman, rather than some big money clients loss, who were just money for her.

Manners also pay, and my girls have will to please me. BBBJ still standard for my experiences, not much changed, except some good girls who stopped because of registration, so just have to find and build new good girls for our tastes.

[XXL]

Brothers,

I live in Asia, but will be in Brussels in a few weeks. Where is the closest FKK club with high quality girls? Prefer bare-back if possible. So I have to go as far as Koln or Frankfurt? Or is there something closer to the border that would meet my needs.

Thanks- happy to offer tips or debatable for Asia.

FKK Sixsens near Aachen could be worth a visit on a Saturday. No barebacking. Otherwise quickies at the Brussels RLD. Renting a car widens your options. Combine Sixsens with Golden times.

[SteelBaton]

Brothers,

I live in Asia, but will be in Brussels in a few weeks. Where is the closest FKK club with high quality girls? Prefer bare-back if possible. So I have to go as far as Koln or Frankfurt? Or is there something closer to the border that would meet my needs.

Thanks- happy to offer tips or debatable for Asia.

[Mr Ho]

I think from when FKK as we know it kicked in from about mid 2000 ish till year 2017 July when BBBJ law kicked in, we monger lived golden best era for sexual mongering. German FKK was it.

I kind of am glad that I took part of that golden sexual era almost fully.

I know prostitution has been around since day one of humanity and oldest job and all that, but I think from mid 2000 ish till last July 2017, it was best years in history for sexual mongering.

Only exception is Brazil maybe but I never been there, so I cannot compare German FKK and Brazil.

What a golden years it was in Germany and I am glad I was right in it.

[Mr Ho]

Well, both you and me used to visit Artemis a lot in that period. So sure Artemis is not at the same level these days. But a club like Oase for example has a better lineup from 2015 until today than it had prior to 2015. At least optically. And service was about the same before 2015 just with less upselling. True the 50 e sessions at Oase has deteriorated, but its not due to optics. So it is not the same everywhere. Then there are also some new clubs the last 3-4 years too, like Oceans, Marina, Wellcum. Not all are in the same area sure, but these girls drift between the 20-30 top FKK's, so it really is one market to a high degree.

Other clubs that has fallen are VV and PHG. They had great reviews 5 years ago. But today not so much.

With many clubs it is just a matter of 2-3 top girls joining or leaving the clubs. That is all the difference between a great day and waste of time. Most clubs aside from the biggest 5-7 FKK's hardly ever have more than 5 stunners, and mostly just 2-3. So if those are away, its grim. And it can be a do or die for the club. Not to mention for the word of mouth regarding that club. At least if you are picky like some of us. Some others in here may even consider many clubs to be a 1 girl club. And may leave with no sessions on a third of their visits to many clubs. But that is how it is in smaller clubs. The problem with the bigger clubs on the other hand is more drama. More group gangs of girls posing restrictions on fellow girls at the clubs etc etc.

Yeah I am one of those most FKK just have one to three girls type of picky guy. Artemis before 2015 was different, I had about 3 to 5 girls I want to do per day. However, past is past and those days are gone.

Oase, I actually went in 2015, I saw good old Nika who I do not consider as stunner at all due to her too much tattoo and too much bad operated exploding tits (she could have been stunner without those operations and also with bit of workout in gym). I did find one Hungarian that I had worst session in FKK history for 100 euro for 60 min session, it was so bad, but she was hot, she was Hungarian and slightly tanned, ever since then I have not been back to Oase, but next time I am in Hessen fully I may go back to Oase. I usually do Hessen for 3 days, nrw for 2 days and total of 5 FKK days trip, which works great for me using ICE train.

Now what to do, I may do combination of Berlin and Hamburg. Most likely Hamburg 4 days and Artemis Berlin for one night. Hmmm. Those who live in Germany are lucky to live there beside high tax, but if I live in Germany, I be going FKK every two days spending about 500 euro each time that will be heavy burden on my career plan LOL.

[Mr Ho]

Once upon a time, not so long ago. Men take girl out to dinner, buy her nice dinner, nice wine, nice flowers, celebrate every events one can think of almost every month, buy her gifts etc. And between time basically men kiss ass of women on the knee mostly send sms, cards, numerous phone calls preaching love with some love song lyrics you read from are and be love songs etc etc.

All this above so called courting girls just to get girl into bed to have sex.

Now, if we can achieve the goal, even more dirty passionate sex by just going to FKK and sometimes you even get lucky and encouter some university students and they provide you honeymoon first night sex for 150 euro or 200 euro per hours. Which is bit more rate you got to pay because if you are not french sirioja, you have to pay up LOL Then what is the point of courting girl nowadays?

I mean goal is same and even better provider in technique and atmosphere they create, better kisser, blowjober, you can tell her to tell you certain things, and all this for more cheaper price, without destroying your reputation and also you can change as you want.

I think FKK offers you encounters that men have in life, but in more quantity and also often quality as you do meet real beauty and they often provide when you pay up a bit.

Yes siri, no need for you to say, no need to pay, good manner and behavior etc we got it LOL.

But wow now, we get same goal, but better at FKK.

I never get why many men can not do the simple math which one is better option for happy life LOL.

[Mr Ho]

Many people live for different thing in life.

I live for fucking beautiful girls since age 17 both pros and normal girls from around world. This is my core pleasure in life. I also enjoy gourmet every day every meals and I traveled a lot for cultural discovery when I was younger, but now I can only well let say I only let myself travel where I can monger stunner of stunner, cremes de cremes of young beauty, this is what mongering do to you in the end. It did to me.

I met legal green herbs and fucking beautiful girls when I was 17 years old and since then I found my true self right in this combined activity.

When I am on mongering trip, I feel so alive, every day I feel so alive during my mongering trip. And when I am back home like now, I enjoy my daily life enjoying thinking about girls I fucked around the world, and I fuck Eurasian here when I find stunner level Eurasians, which is like few times per year. I kind of enjoy between time of mongering trips because I somehow feel melancholy thinking about old flame kinda feeling.

What I am living for is worth every minutes of my life and I am so glad I found something so real and solid because most men live life confused not knowing what they want to do in their life, caught up between office hours and nagging wife.

Live and let live, long live professional mongers out there!

[Polyamorist]

The Dutch forum simply does not have any credibility left for me because for me it has become nearly impossible to filter out the genuine reports from the (fake?) advertisement or biased reports from men who have fallen in love with a hooker.

Warahmatullahi wabarakatuh NNC1701! These words of reviewers remind of the ecstatic utterances (sathiyyāt) of the early poet Sufis when they jostled for honor in boasting contests (the famous mufāk̲h̲ara).

In stock market forums this has been going on ever since internet started, and it was probably there it began.

Astroturfing has got more sophisticated since then and settled like scum on every market pond. But there is something about FKKs that is different than pumping stocks or raving on movies and it is this: customers are the eyes and ears of the FKKs.

Even the dumbest tourists have valuable information to contribute, precisely because they are the first to be targeted when things start to go wrong. The tourists are the canaries in the coal mine! By the time the more privileged customers realize something is amiss, it is too late: the fumes have spread too far, the gangs have taken over. Look at what happened to FKK Mainhattan and how all their bears decamped to Sharks last year. Where would Mainhattan be now if only they had listened to customers early on? With about three times as much revenue, most likely.

From this, FKK managers should realize that honest reviewers are their friends not their enemies. It is not about customers vs FKKs or guys vs girls. It is about everybody working together to keep a clean business environment where consumers and providers can connect freely and without molestation. In this context trying to suppress feedback is like tying a blindfold around your head (or paying astroturfers and the truckling free-entry crowd to tie it for you).

There's German, Dutch and French boards with a lot of advertising and close connections to the clubs. Admins receiving free entry and in exchange deleting negative reports. You have to know and to consider this when reading reports. There's only a few boards with little advertising and and only one without. Make your choice.

This sums it all up. But where is this hype-free oasis?

[Rogue Nation]

There's German, Dutch and French boards with a lot of advertising and close connections to the clubs. Admins receiving free entry and in exchange deleting negative reports. You have to know and to consider this when reading reports. There's only a few boards with little advertising and and only one without. Make your choice.

[BigBuddy69]

Congratulation on your winning of freedom and released from Prison De La Marriage LOL.

Hey Mr Ho, it's 'prison du mariage ', stop watching Paris Hilton sextape again and again and go back to your French lessons!

[Pistons]

It is easily seen outside of sex work. The hotels and tour guides that respond online to each review on TripAdviser simply get better overall review scores than hotels or tour guides who do not seem to know the site exists. We can argue pros and cons all day long. Of course it creates an upward score bias. On the other hand businesspeople and employees, including sex workers, might provide a better overall level of service if they feel part of the "community" that includes the customers.

Well put. That is also an important side of the story. Reminds me on one time I stayed at an hotel which tried to cheat me for about 100 usd with a scam. I posted about the scam on tripadvisor and 20 minutes later the manager called me in my room and wanted to talk to me. It ended up with an apology and I deleted the negative review. Sometimes you just want to say fuck you to someone if you otherwise don't feel attached to them or have any wish to return.

When it comes to girls in this business, they do have more leverage as long as you wish to return. Then again, how can someone know how long you wish to return? How well is the leverage established? And even if there is a difference between a 50 e and 150 e session to the girl, does that difference mirror itself for the guy? It is an interesting topic many people might want to think more about. Not just in this line of work. I do agree though that it must suck for a girl to read negative reviews about herself. There is allways a layer of ethics also included in this. But a service job is also a sales job, and marketing is still marketing.

I just complained to my car rental company who charged me 81.30 e for not having filled the tank. It was just 7/8 full (it just dipped below 8/8 after I had entered the parking, and I though fuck it. A complete ripoff. They refused to do anything about it even if they charged 3.50 for 23.30 liters (which is over half a tank on 45 l). Not until I mentioned I would post every detail about it on several review sites. 1 hour later I got an e mail that they had refunded me most of the claim. So as customers in every sort of business, internet review sites are a very good thing.

[Mongerer88]

I think some of you guys find darkness when there is actually some light.

Sex work forums in which the ladies participate will produce relatively higher review scores with respect to the ladies who participate in those forums. The johns become forum friends with some of these ladies, in addition to purchasing sex from them. It is human nature for these guys to rank those ladies very highly. They interact with them online through posting, and saying negative things about them is rather awkward. Some guys find that getting to know the ladies outside of the purchased hour of sex, even if it is online interaction, enhances the overall John experience.

For instance, the reviews on the esaschicas Madrid board are generally much more favorable than the reviews of the same lady on the Spalumi Madrid review board. The ladies are encouraged to actively participate on the esaschicas board, where the Spalumi board seems to get most of its revenue from banner advertising (a person gets a million pop-ups and redirects using Spalumi). And we certainly see it on the Montreal merb board. A lady who participates in the Discussion Forum will get better reviews than before she participated. This isn't mischief by the merb owners, it is human nature of the board participants.

It is easily seen outside of sex work. The hotels and tour guides that respond online to each review on TripAdviser simply get better overall review scores than hotels or tour guides who do not seem to know the site exists. We can argue pros and cons all day long. Of course it creates an upward score bias. On the other hand businesspeople and employees, including sex workers, might provide a better overall level of service if they feel part of the "community" that includes the customers.

[Pistons]

The opening for making hard baseless hyping is ofcourse higher if you have a rating system on girls. Like on Metacritic for example where the advertisements on the review sites normally promote good reviews by its journalists. An advertiser sometimes assumes good reviews in order to keep advertising.

https://kotaku.com/metacritic-matter...-472462218/amp

https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp...erling-opinion

So even if every other person in the world disagree with you and consider some girl to be incredible, you might just be Jim Sterling and consider her a 7 out of 10.

It is however the nature of capitalism. Internet sites needs income, and the income normally comes from advertisers which may stray the content on the sites. Either from an editorial standpoint. And there are several ways to do that, like getting rid of annoying posters or writers who goes against the agendas of the site (as mentioned regarding ijsberen for example), or by making their own accounts to post from.

But this is not a forum thing. It is like this in all sorts of media, from newspaper and TV to radio. And trust has no merit in a capitalistic world where everyone is on their own. The entire system forces you into thinking egocentric. So make your own reviews. Make your own acquaintances, and go from there. Trust in hype is more about volume than content. And that is as far as it goes.

[Pistons]

It is impossible to know if someone is paid to do astroturfing or post on a wrong basis. In stock market forums this has been going on ever since internet started, and it was probably there it began. Even on ijsberen I found that my one girl at 6's was the most posted about girl. So on her at least it was accurate on hype levels. Just by counting posts.

But do like McA says. Get multiple sources.

[McAdonis]

How do I know this? Because I've tried the experiment personally and that is what happens. I tried it last on ijsberenforum, but the same applies to most other review sites, including freiercafe, 6 profi, sexomercadobcn, etc.

Take in information with a grain of salt, use multiple sources of info, speak with other mongers in the clubs, exchange PMs.

Mongers are humans and all humans are inherently biased. Many men have different ideas of what constitutes good optics and what constitutes good service. Certain reviewers showing allegiance to a club may not be deliberately trying to misinform (or hype a certain club). Small things can change one's perception about a club completely. Sometimes the presence of one favorite WG can change one's perception about the club. One monger might have a preference for African WGs, so he might like FKK Babylon. Another monger might really like anal, and thus likes a certain club because he believes it is easier to get that service there.

Other forums probably just see ISG as just a bunch of overpaying tourists who talk about the same 5 percent of WGs at the same two clubs. Anyone can easily say that their is also a herd mentality here as well. So lets not pretend that we are somehow holier than thou.