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[The Cane]

So in 20 years from now it is quite possible that women in the West feel they don't need to marry because why do they need to support men?

Men and women are always going to need each other as partners of some sort. For women, it isn't so much about taking care of a man as it is about taking care of her kids. It's easy to be a deadbeat dad and walk away, but no so easy for a woman to do that. She birthed those kids, and they are with her. If she isn't working and staying at home, then she needs somebody out there being the breadwinner and providing for her and those kids. And if she is working, well the need for childcare doesn't go away, and the cost of that is so expensive that it can easily suck up virtually all of her income. So again, often times there needs to be that other breadwinner who can provide. Unless, maybe it's a Mr. Mom who stays home and takes care of the kids. There are guys out there doing that, but at least in the United States, that's the exception rather than the rule. Either the man goes to work and the woman stays home, or they both work and one's salary goes to pay for high daycare costs. But any way you cut it, men need women and women need men. At some level one way or the other.

[The Cane]

So, any other inputs on this? What is your strategy?

For me it's very, very simple. I fuck who I want to in the club when I want to. And that's it! I don't like a bunch of unnecessary complications in my life. That would make going to the FKKs less fun!

[Rogue Nation]

The biggest mistake one can make at an FKK is to have a girl feel she owns you. Then service falls, and she may sometimes feel eligible to upsell you to longer rooms.

Or the opposite may happen. Over a certain period. Better service. Free extras. Longer rooms for standard rates. YMMV.

[McAdonis]

So, the members commenting from Asia and third word (where women are generally relegated to lower level roles) may feel it is better not to marry because in their experience man provides for the woman.

Lots of these anti-marriage men are from Western countries. Or presumably countries where divorce law grants half to the spouse with lower net worth.

Given your writings on saving, you don't seem like the type to wear a watch or drive an expensive luxury car. So you may not attract gold diggers like others here might.

Others here might also put themselves in situations where gold digging is encouraged. Advertising your net worth on a dating site. On first date, talking about how many people you manage or how you constantly travel for work. Post photos of your exotic vacations on FB.

[Pistons]

In FKK's some girls makes a lot of money while other girls don't make much at all. So a few rules of thumb I have while in Germany is to share the wealth to some degree. For a long time I always had one holy rule I had to stick to. I had to try out one new girl every single day at an FKK. Lately I have started staying in Germany / aut / NL for longer periods. Average trips for me now is 5 days compared to previous 3-4 day average. So now I have lessened that to at least trying 3 new girls per trip of 5 days, or 5 new girls on a 1 week trip. The rest I can make repeats at.

The biggest mistake one can make at an FKK is to have a girl feel she owns you. Then service falls, and she may sometimes feel eligible to upsell you to longer rooms.

Sometimes I skip one of my favourites for a visit or two also. It doesn't mean I dislike her or are tired of her pussy, but it means that I am a free soul. If the options are not around for reserve girls, or if I have already depleted the current lineup, its time to move on and visit another club. Can even leave at 9 or 10 pm to go to another club. Preferably I feelt it can be best to rotate a minimum of 5 favourite girls for repeat levels in one club. If you do 3 of them per visit.

The saying is if you want to marry a girl, you should be committed and show faithfullness first. Then her ring finger will come later. You cannot demand the ring finger before you first show your commitment. But this is FKK land, and in my opinion the rules change when we pay. So even if I skip a favourite for 1 or 2 visits, I can still love her / them. I just share the love and wealth as a free person with no ring attached.

So, any other inputs on this? What is your strategy?

[AznHotBoy]

So, the members commenting from Asia and third word (where women are generally relegated to lower level roles) may feel it is better not to marry because in their experience man provides for the woman. In the West, things are already not so stark and current trends are that more women are enrolling in colleges, so in 20 years from now it is quite possible that women in the West feel they don't need to marry because why do they need to support men?

Most women will still marry men even if the man cannot or will not provide. They will care more about the male's appearance than their earnings. The easiest example of this is the FKK tutes and how many fishes they support. Even the most cold tute will have a soft spot for a fish. However, unlike the high income earners of the west, most of these tutes will not sustain a high income for a majority of their lives. Their peak earnings will be in their 20's and maybe early 30's if they have good genes. A professional women in the states will peak out much later in their late 30's or mid 40's with inflationary growth till they retire. A lot of these professional women will like to have a boy toy around, and a lot will actually marry their boy toy. I think in order for western men to have success with marriage, they will have to do the same thing women has done in the past, be in good shape, be good looking (plastic surgery maybe) and have "game. " Income will be less and less of a factor as the years go on. I think for a western women, marrying for money will be laughable in 20 years.

In the meantime, many tutes I talked to regardless of origin all have the same story of how much money they could've saved for themselves if they didn't support a fish in their early career, and some still fall for the same trap late in their career. They tell me it's hard for them to find a man, it's true, very few man would be interested in dating a FKK tute for marriage. Then a nice young and fit man comes in to a club and show these tutes any interest makes their cold hearts melt. It's not just Romanian girls falling for fishes, it's a game where the girls don't want to escape even if they can.

[Member #4581]

In many Western societies, women are already a substantial part of workforce. While they are not yet making as much as the men on a society-wide basis, fact is that many women are already making more than men. I personally know several families in which the man is making less than his wife, or even a few where the man had to abandon his career to run the household and raise the kids because wife was making more $$ and they needed one spouse to take care of kids.

So, the members commenting from Asia and third word (where women are generally relegated to lower level roles) may feel it is better not to marry because in their experience man provides for the woman. In the West, things are already not so stark and current trends are that more women are enrolling in colleges, so in 20 years from now it is quite possible that women in the West feel they don't need to marry because why do they need to support men?

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/08/why-men-are-the-new-college-minority/536103/

[Pistons]

I think most guys would marry the perfect wife. Finding that perfect wife is not easy though. They are a limited stock. In FKK's we find some of these limited stock specimens and can have some intimate time with them. I believe many guys here would love to marry some of these top girls they see in FKKs. But it can be hard for some to differentiate between reality and fiction. And true or wrong feelings in FKK's. So perhaps the idea that being single is the best choice is part of a strategy to also persuade oneself into not falling in the love trap while in FKK's. We do know some girls are smart at abusing it. Western Union etc.

[Optimist]

I'm not here to pontificate to anybody about anything. It's to each his own and do what works for you. That's what I do, and that's what everybody else should do too. What I find funny is how some talk about the forum as a place to share info and ideas. But then when that's what goes down, they get upset when somebody has a thought, idea, or passion different from their own. People need to know how to agree to disagree without getting upset about somebody else's views that may differ from their own, even if those views are stated strongly. Be confident in you and what you do and believe in, and let the rest roll off of your back!

These words should be on the front page of the forum.

Nicely put

[Neurosynth]

The reason why men and society don't care so much if men are tutes is that we use more our left half of the brain (logic) while women use heir right half more (emotions and feelings).

There is no scientific basis for this. It's a myth that men are more logical than women, and it's a myth the brain is divided left and right between logic and emotions.

[The Cane]

It's funny reading the sermons and pontificating from a few wise guys about the perils of marriage. I am not married but I wouldn't presume to lecture anyone which way is better to go. I don't see the married guys lecturing the unmarried guys to get hitched. But the unmarried guys (well, a couple of them mainly) constantly lecture the married folk about how smart they are to have stayed single. I wonder if these guys have a chip on their shoulders and feeling insecure.

I'm not here to pontificate to anybody about anything. It's to each his own and do what works for you. That's what I do, and that's what everybody else should do too. What I find funny is how some talk about the forum as a place to share info and ideas. But then when that's what goes down, they get upset when somebody has a thought, idea, or passion different from their own. People need to know how to agree to disagree without getting upset about somebody else's views that may differ from their own, even if those views are stated strongly. Be confident in you and what you do and believe in, and let the rest roll off of your back!

[Mongerer88]

Then in a follow up reply, I brought up paid monger sex (which Mongerer88 and others said is generally safe in the US), and then I also brought up the sugar daddy stuff..

This is a good article from USA Sex worker to other potential sex workers that really describes how it works in the USA When the system is safe for the customer and the sex worker.

https://jezebel.com/5955918/some-thi...e-a-prostitute

It wouldn't work for most guys who like the FKKs.

It is expensive, there is little or no anonymity, and there is definitely no club atmosphere where a guy meets many women and selects a few. Decisions are largely made by reading reviews and learning whose reviews you can trust.

Essentially, the key is for her to make sure the customer is not a cop or a dangerous person (which is done through screening that often includes his presence on review boards, and references), and of course for him to make sure she isn't a cop or a dangerous rip-off flake, which is most often done by reading her reviews, seeing who else the reviewer has reviewed, and seeing how she advertises. If she isn't a cop, and the customer isn't a cop, and if they are fornicating in a private place such as a hotel room or incall apartment that has no risk of police intrusion, there is really no risk.

Not exactly an ideal system, and of course most stray from it. But if you review arrests and busts, they almost never involve independent escorts who screen or a very small agency operating in a local area that screens and doesn't go overboard on publicly advertising. But for those that want to feel completely safe, nothing is safer than an expensive independent escort who does a lot of screening. The cops in the USA Leave those ladies alone.

[McAdonis]

Per Optimist comment and other available data, cost of living and general income levels in Romania are low. Hence, even if they saved just 30 grand in 18 months, they can use it as a base and build some regular life around it.

Probably half of Romanians only use cash. Partly this is due to tax avoidance. Bank accounts, pensions, insurances, tax-sheltered retirement accounts, stocks or bonds, or most things that compound in interest (or combat inflation) are almost non-existent.

I suppose Bitcoin is becoming a viable investment option (that both earns yield and is difficult for tax authorities to track). I would argue that is easier and safer to hide and transfer than say a safe filled with cash.

Romanians seem to have a different mindset when it comes to saving. Its hard for someone from a stable rich western nation to judge. Triple digit inflation back in the 1990's, high-levels of corruption and unemployment is just not our reality. Perhaps their mindset is to spend their money and enjoy it before the next time their government fails them. Also, we are talking about emigrants here. Disproportionate spending on visible goods and "conspicuous consumerism" tend to be higher in these communities.

[The Cane]

Sugar daddies avoid speaking about or handing over money. They prefer to give the sugar baby a credit card in her name, because otherwise it ruins the illusion. In an FKK setting, a monger is literally hovering at the money lockers watching his WG get paid by another customer. FKK customers know they are interacting with a prostitute, as much as they try to forget.

I don't ever try to forget LOLOLOL! I like the open, transparent nature of it all. No bullshitting yourself or anybody else! It is what it is, and that's what I like about it. And don't anybody forget that ha!

[Rogue Nation]

Making a lot of money leads to spending a lot of money for many girls. Taxi instead of public transportation, hotel instead of apartment, restaurant instead of home cooking, Prada instead of H&M.

There's "boyfriends" who take their girls out shopping to make them spend their money. So they have to stay and work. That's the money left after they paid their daily share of 300-500€. A strategy that works out for many guys.