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**Mr Ho** · 07-13-22 23:04

Originally Posted by EscapeArtist [View Original Post]

Perhaps Japanese military capabilities basically serve as a Western outpost to keep Russian and Chinese interests strategically in check.

We are very important shield for US military strategy, look at the map, it literally shaped shield and also the location too! But look, one great thing about Japan is that we have tremendous ability to learn to evolve to make things better to perfection, so we learnt from second world war that:

1): Our technology and its quality is top notch.

2): We have capability to be top military nation and can invade whole Asia if we wish to. But now we do not at all!

3): We can beat all nations as we historically have, but not USA.

4): USA is someone we can resonate and co-operate with as not just a ally, but as a good friend.

5): Above all and most importantly, war do not solve anything, but cause more hate that could last for decades! So no war!

6): We can dominate world with economy not military! Not in negative way, but have our presence is what I mean that can be in harmony!

So if Japan were to change constitution and militarize again, so we can offense not just defense by constitution, we have zero interest attack others, I mean for what? We have so much to lose! We are top G7 nation with responsibilities to act right and correct, so why lose such position that took us like 50 years to built till we became top nation since around year 1980 !

Strategically, we will be good friend to west and USA, but we will try our best to participate in their "liberation" operation in middle east or Iran etc as we have no problem talking to them and get the deals done! But we also understand why West are doing military actions in those nations, so we help, but we won't kill there, we give ground support for infrastructures with top technology with quality that we are best at! But no killing!

**Escape Artist** · 07-13-22 17:09

Originally Posted by MrHo [View Original Post]

so Japan just need enough to protect itself even though Japan is ranked always in top 5 most of time or top10 even just with defense restriction by its own constitution LOL!

https://www.businessinsider.in/defen...t/51930339.cms#slideid=51930374.

Perhaps Japanese military capabilities basically serve as a Western outpost to keep Russian and Chinese interests strategically in check.

**Escape Artist** · 07-13-22 16:33

Originally Posted by TheCane [View Original Post]

No clue what you're talking about as I don't think that I have downplayed or "belittled" anything. I said from 1895 forward. That includes the 20th century, which you have emphasized. Anyway, I drop this now so that we may return to discussions of banging beaver.

Sorry, I like history. Topic dropped.

**BobNSuzy** · 07-13-22 16:26

Originally Posted by TheCane [View Original Post]

No clue what you're talking about as I don't think that I have downplayed or "belittled" anything. I said from 1895 forward. That includes the 20th century, which you have emphasized. Anyway, I drop this now so that we may return to discussions of banging beaver.

This isn't usually my topic of interest but isn't this like saying the home of the Samaria or China has no history of warefare. In 1895 their were no airplanes.

**The Cane** · 07-13-22 11:14

Originally Posted by EscapeArtist [View Original Post]

Let's not belittle the Japanese atrocities. While you are right that their militarism was brief, the magnitude of Japanese crimes in the first half of the 20th century was rivaled only by Nazi crimes. Western historians skip over how much imperial Japan abused their neighbors in the Far East and the Pacific, but their methods were down right evil. Just read up on events such as the R8 pe of Nanking and you will get a sense of the depth of evil that Japanese imperialism inflicted on the Asian mainland and Pacific islands. Their actions resulted in as many as 14 million deaths. Their treatment of western POWs was far worse than the Nazis. Their crimes against women during military conflict is unspeakable. The fact that Japan enjoys such affluence and "western nation" status despite how much harm they inflicted on their neighbors is a major reason why so many people from other Far East nations have a deep resentment for the nation of Japan. While I agree that Japan is now a peaceful nation, the culture of Japan still retains a sense of superiority over other nations, both Western and Eastern.

No clue what you're talking about as I don't think that I have downplayed or "belittled" anything. I said from 1895 forward. That includes the 20th century, which you have emphasized. Anyway, I drop this now so that we may return to discussions of banging beaver.

**The Cane** · 07-13-22 11:08

Originally Posted by MrHo [View Original Post]

One correction though! Japan had history of attacking other nation before second world war! I can admit our wrong doing, so here we go, Japan attacked Russia which caused Japan Russia war which we beat Russians both on land and sea especially sea battle was one of the most significant battle in history as Japan fought against back then biggest navy fleet in the whole world Baltic coalition, but Japan finish all of them under one hour and also Japan attack China as well! But we are talking over 100 years ago event LOL!

I know and understand all of that. My point is that none of that compares to the rampage that occurred from around 1895 forward through 1945 and the end of WW2.

**The Cane** · 07-13-22 10:56

Originally Posted by DrPoon [View Original Post]

The USA should just mind its own business and let Japan and China hash it out between themselves.

That's asking a lot! Now isn't it?

**Mr Ho** · 07-13-22 08:05

Originally Posted by EscapeArtist [View Original Post]

Let's not belittle the Japanese atrocities. While you are right that their militarism was brief, the magnitude of Japanese crimes in the first half of the 20th century was rivaled only by Nazi crimes. Western historians skip over how much imperial Japan abused their neighbors in the Far East and the Pacific, but their methods were down right evil. Just read up on events such as the R8 pe of Nanking and you will get a sense of the depth of evil that Japanese imperialism inflicted on the Asian mainland and Pacific islands. Their actions resulted in as many as 14 million deaths. Their treatment of western POWs was far worse than the Nazis. Their crimes against women during military conflict is unspeakable. The fact that Japan enjoys such affluence and "western nation" status despite how much harm they inflicted on their neighbors is a major reason why so many people from other Far East nations have a deep resentment for the nation of Japan. While I agree that Japan is now a peaceful nation, the culture of Japan still retains a sense of superiority over other nations, both Western and Eastern.

It is most extreme nation as after 1945 Japan became the most peaceful nation for past 77 years LOL! But kept the ability to become the military power if Japan want, but for what? Using military in 21st century only lead to chaos, so Japan just need enough to protect itself even though Japan is ranked always in top 5 most of time or top10 even just with defense restriction by its own constitution LOL!

https://www.businessinsider.in/defen...t/51930339.cms#slideid=51930374.

**Escape Artist** · 07-13-22 00:53

Originally Posted by TheCane [View Original Post]

Japan had no significant history of military adventurism abroad prior to about 1895. Before that time, the Japanese basically were isolationists who wanted to be left alone by outsiders. What happened? Western colonial powers and their imperialist abuses showed up and changed Japan's outlook forever. Conquer and subdue, or be conquered and subdued! Well with a recovery from two nuclear blasts to later become the world's second largest economy (now number three behind China), Japan understands better than anybody (except Germany maybe) that peace is better than war. And Mr. Abe understood that a crucial way to maintain that peace is through strength! Weakness only prompts another war and gets you. Conquered and subdued.

Let's not belittle the Japanese atrocities. While you are right that their militarism was brief, the magnitude of Japanese crimes in the first half of the 20th century was rivaled only by Nazi crimes. Western historians skip over how much imperial Japan abused their neighbors in the Far East and the Pacific, but their methods were down right evil. Just read up on events such as the R8 pe of Nanking and you will get a sense of the depth of evil that Japanese imperialism inflicted on the Asian mainland and Pacific islands. Their actions resulted in as many as 14 million deaths. Their treatment of western POWs was far worse than the Nazis. Their crimes against women during military conflict is unspeakable. The fact that Japan enjoys such affluence and "western nation" status despite how much harm they inflicted on their neighbors is a major reason why so many people from other Far East nations have a deep resentment for the nation of Japan. While I agree that Japan is now a peaceful nation, the culture of Japan still retains a sense of superiority over other nations, both Western and Eastern.

**Mr Ho** · 07-12-22 23:57

Originally Posted by TheCane [View Original Post]

Japan had no significant history of military adventurism abroad prior to about 1895. Before that time, the Japanese basically were isolationists who wanted to be left alone by outsiders. What happened? Western colonial powers and their imperialist abuses showed up and changed Japan's outlook forever. Conquer and subdue, or be conquered and subdued! Well with a recovery from two nuclear blasts to later become the world's second largest economy (now number three behind China), Japan understands better than anybody (except Germany maybe) that peace is better than war. And Mr. Abe understood that a crucial way to maintain that peace is through strength! Weakness only prompts another war and gets you. Conquered and subdued.

It is very precise observation as Japan tend to have strong culture of prefer to be left alone by foreigners and if we want to implement something we ask for it ourselves instead of someone forcing Japan to do so, and yes the reason for second world war was that western power begin to show up in Asia and Japan having 11 aircraft carrier back then were threaten that they were about to do something to us and our stand always and will be is that we will not kneel down to west or any invaders, so we tried to solve through foreign diplomacy, but there was no chance, then west blocked the oil, so we had two choice, we will wage losing war on whole world now or we kneel down to the west, and we choose the first choice as we are not going to kneel down! But I am happy that both side of our ancestors did not die for nothing as Japan and West are very good friend and US and Japan are basically best friend nation like batman and robin and US being batman LOL!

One correction though! Japan had history of attacking other nation before second world war! I can admit our wrong doing, so here we go, Japan attacked Russia which caused Japan Russia war which we beat Russians both on land and sea especially sea battle was one of the most significant battle in history as Japan fought against back then biggest navy fleet in the whole world Baltic coalition, but Japan finish all of them under one hour and also Japan attack China as well! But we are talking over 100 years ago event LOL! And what is fantastic about Japan is that we have power to change to evolve into future and thanks to USA and especially US military (General Macarthur! That Japan is where Japan is at now and US-Japan relation will be forever bond! Losing Shinzo Abe was too big of a loss though! He was only leader who can talk to both side of extreme to find soft landing point (Eg: Iran and US when US was Trump LOL!

**Mr Ho** · 07-12-22 23:47

Originally Posted by SerpentX [View Original Post]

If you look at the history of Japan since 1800's and its militarism ideology you will understand why Japan must adhere to its current constitution. If not, they will roll back to what they have always been and start another war sooner rather than later. They never stand ready to defend, instead they always invade and attack first. Watch out!

Japan has ability to be the second biggest military in the world after US if Japan want to, US at least republican party and co want Japan to do that, but Japan do not want to be second in military power after US because Japan believe it is not right strategy to use violence as mean of negotiations, Japan has enough on table to negotiate, so there is no need, but now it is becoming was no need due to what happened in Ukraine and also Japan has mentally insane neighbors such as China, Russia and north Korea who has different behavior issues to rest of the world! So we are going to up GDP 1% military budget to 2 % military budget now, but we will be careful how we change our constitution!

But your brain stopped at 1945 and it is 2022 now, Japan is in G7 and Japan have many responsibilities to the world, so there is no need to attack anybody as most of the nations in the world are on our side and we all live in harmony!

**DrPoon** · 07-12-22 22:51

Originally Posted by TheCane [View Original Post]

Japan had no significant history of military adventurism abroad prior to about 1895. Before that time, the Japanese basically were isolationists who wanted to be left alone by outsiders. What happened? Western colonial powers and their imperialist abuses showed up and changed Japan's outlook forever. Conquer and subdue, or be conquered and subdued! Well with a recovery from two nuclear blasts to later become the world's second largest economy (now number three behind China), Japan understands better than anybody (except Germany maybe) that peace is better than war. And Mr. Abe understood that a crucial way to maintain that peace is through strength! Weakness only prompts another war and gets you. Conquered and subdued.

The USA should just mind its own business and let Japan and China hash it out between themselves.

**The Cane** · 07-12-22 21:00

Originally Posted by SerpentX [View Original Post]

If you look at the history of Japan since 1800's and its militarism ideology you will understand why Japan must adhere to its current constitution. If not, they will roll back to what they have always been and start another war sooner rather than later. They never stand ready to defend, instead they always invade and attack first. Watch out!

Japan had no significant history of military adventurism abroad prior to about 1895. Before that time, the Japanese basically were isolationists who wanted to be left alone by outsiders. What happened? Western colonial powers and their imperialist abuses showed up and changed Japan's outlook forever. Conquer and subdue, or be conquered and subdued! Well with a recovery from two nuclear blasts to later become the world's second largest economy (now number three behind China), Japan understands better than anybody (except Germany maybe) that peace is better than war. And Mr. Abe understood that a crucial way to maintain that peace is through strength! Weakness only prompts another war and gets you. Conquered and subdued.

**SerpentX** · 07-12-22 20:24

If you look at the history of Japan since 1800's and its militarism ideology you will understand why Japan must adhere to its current constitution. If not, they will roll back to what they have always been and start another war sooner rather than later. They never stand ready to defend, instead they always invade and attack first. Watch out!

Originally Posted by TheCane [View Original Post]

Mr. Ho, I wanted to extend my condolences regarding the assassination of Mr. Abe Shinzo. If anybody had told me that a prominent Japanese leader would be killed by a firearm, I would not have believed it. And even then, it's so hard to get a gun in Japan that this guy had to make his own! I liked Mr. Abe and "Abenomics", but also his stance on the Japanese military. I understand the limitations imposed by the Japanese constitution and the nation's longstanding commitment to pacifism (military used for defense only) after the disaster of WW2. But sometimes, the best way to defend is to be able to project power abroad too, even including a preemptive strike if warranted. Let me tell you something. One day Japan will again be required to stand on its own. I don't know when and where and how, or under what circumstances, but it will happen. We Americans will leave, as we always eventually do, and Japan will be on its own to deal with a testy China, a reckless Russia, and a belligerent North Korea. Or whoever the "bad guy" is at the time. Is Japan ready to stand on its own militarily? It had better be. Because America will not be there for you forever. Japan had better be ready to fight on its own. I trust that Japan will be careful. It has learned its lesson about aggressive militarism (America still has lessons to be learned on this count). As Mr. Abe is put to rest, I conclude that he was right. Japan's constitution must be amended regarding the uses of its armed forces. Because Japan on its own must stand ready.