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[Hessen Bub]

The stereotype of the pimp as a brute who submits women into doing his bidding by beating them up is a myth

Pimps are not to be envied. The job has many obligations that go with it,

Poor pimps. The stereotype of the LOVERBOY is not a stereotype. And LOVE is followed by THREATS and BEATINGS. Seen it often enough, still seeing it. Or do you believe the girsl when they tell you the bruises on their arms and legs come from falling down the stairs, hitting themselves while sleeping?

Aside from security, organized crime also offers a sophisticated money laundering, money courier, and money mule services. .

You seem to have a very different view on the scene than me. Girls do not send huge amounts of money home, there are other ways of getting money home. If a girl uses a "money laundering agent" on her free will and he gets his cut. Okay. But that is not what it usually is.

HB.

[XXL]

How pimps do it (tell girl to prostitute themselves and give them money) is big mystery LOL.

Some pimps have few girls working for him.

Not that much of a mystery if you thing about all the men who work (prostitute themselves) only to give the money to women. Women love bad boys and men love bad girls.

The stereotype of the pimp as a brute who submits women into doing his bidding by beating them up is a myth normal law-abiding men feel comfortable with because it flatters the white-knight in them.

Pimps are not to be envied. The job has many obligations that go with it, like procuring drugs and physically protecting the girls. Pimps are the ones who stop a bullet or land with their asses in jail. I'd much rather be a low-level exec, albeit a good-paid one.

[McAdonis]

I agree. But not for a WG in a FKK.

HB.

Would you agree that people / businesses partner up for strategic reasons? Aside from security, organized crime also offers a sophisticated money laundering, money courier, and money mule services. It becomes suspicious if WG in FRA sends 5000 EUR every month to her mother in Pitesti. Instead the money can flow like this:

FRA.

Then Gangster.

Then Mule.

Then Western Union in Kassel.

Then Western Union in Pitesti.

Then Mule.

Then Gangster.

Then Pitesti.

Each time different mules, cities, and offices can be used. The mules can be any 50 year old unemployed man who is just happy to get a 50 EUR commission for 5 minutes of work. Gangsters ensure mules do not run off with the money. Gangster gets their cut. Girl evades taxes. Everybody wins. Gangster may pay off Western Union agents to look the other way as well.

In a lot of professions or companies, union fees are not "optional", but most pay them and even derive benefits from their membership. The adage "There is power in numbers" applies. Being alone can make one vulnerable.

[Mr Ho]

I agree. But not for a WG in a FKK.

HB.

With the BBBJ skill they have, they can con some stupid men into marrying them believing that they are virgin normal girls waiting for him LOL.

[Hessen Bub]

Getting ahead in life is about knowing people in key positions, would you not agree?

I agree. But not for a WG in a FKK.

HB.

[Mr Ho]

Flaunting wealth in some cultures is seen as a negative thing, but not Romanian culture. Romanians definitely like to show off their money.

Once one person knows something, that information generally spreads. If a girl is thinking about becoming a WGs, she will probably seek out information from other friends who became WGs. Same as any employee who is considering taking a job with a different company.

Getting ahead in life is about knowing people in key positions, would you not agree? In these corrupt ex-communist countries, many people in key positions have connections to organized crime. There can sometimes even exist a "symbiotic relationship", where the person paying the protection money actually receives some benefit. They are not just buying security, but also connections to influential people. This idea is explained here:

http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs...teering_en.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_racket

In primitive cultures, it is positive to show off wealth, and in these cultures, they do not have very blight economical future and very often, their wealth came from easy money like natural resources, which they do not even have their own technology or infrastructure to dig it themselves. Showing off excessively shows the IQ level of their culture.

What interesting is that for FKK girls, it is hard earned dollar, but I guess they never and also their country never had economical success, so once they get some money. Mostly it is not good recipe for happy life after.

[McAdonis]

If girls are not showing off home with the money they make in Germany then there's no need for protection. Not here. Not there. Seen it often enough. But most girls are either showing how much money they make or they are so young, naive and scared that they believe they need someone to protect them.

Flaunting wealth in some cultures is seen as a negative thing, but not Romanian culture. Romanians definitely like to show off their money.

Once one person knows something, that information generally spreads. If a girl is thinking about becoming a WGs, she will probably seek out information from other friends who became WGs. Same as any employee who is considering taking a job with a different company.

Getting ahead in life is about knowing people in key positions, would you not agree? In these corrupt ex-communist countries, many people in key positions have connections to organized crime. There can sometimes even exist a "symbiotic relationship", where the person paying the protection money actually receives some benefit. They are not just buying security, but also connections to influential people. This idea is explained here:

http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs...teering_en.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_racket

[Mr Ho]

You mean women in private life, want only money and give bad sex? If I understand right, with my bad English, then we didn't have same experiences in life. Just make a woman feeling beautiful, safe, confident about you, say her you love her and she will say you she wants you, she wants you take her for sex. Same with WGs, look at them and touch them like women and they won t refuse much and forget the word: extra.

Only depending from your behavior, even not from performance.

I agree about quality of sex part. Normal girls can provide insanely kinky good sex.

However, normal girls are more expensive not just in money, but also you have to put in effort, time etc etc to feed their ego.

And considering in reality, there are no difference between prostitutes and normal girls, normal girls are not worth the money and effort and time than prostitutes.

Of course, in fantasy, you got this marriage and eternal love thing to protect women from their financial mess and forecast, I do not buy such well marketed lies.

On the other hand, with prostitutes too, I have to put in so much effort to find the quality I want LOL.

[Sirioja]

The girls let into the FKK clubs first bc they pay every day full entrance fee to the club and second that they attract the guys to the club. Exceptional beauty? Where in which club? IMHO most of them avarage looking GND that's it and only few beauties. And most clubs let usually every girl in if she's more than 18 yo or 21 yo and speaks some english and / or german and can pay the entrance and have an ID. Times are gone when girls where waiting to get into a club. Around ten years ago this was the way and I know about clubs at this time expect a first entry fee up to 1000 Euro, but these times are gone. Nowadays only during Messe or peak season FKK clubs don't let some girls in. During the last orthodox easter time I don't know any Hessen FKK club where a girl couldn't get in.

And 1000 Euro per night is still possible but more the exception. My guess in average for girls in average of all Hessen FKK club is a daily net income (after entance fee and tax) of 350 euro.

For some girls, in big clubs, who are quite pretty with good behavior, quite difficult to make more business than girls entry rate. Some girls at Finca or Aca make really good business, even 40/30 mn at Aca, but more than 1000 on Saturday and sometimes Friday or Sunday. I could make much more money if I want, but I prefer to live my dreams, as long I can, but never made 1000 per day and about 15 000 per month, only 12000 are very good months for me, but will work for 40 years. WGs work shorter time than football players.

[Sirioja]

And do you think this doesn't apply to 85% of the Rumanian population, male or female?

Besides, members of this forum who harbour serious doubts about trafficking and sex-slavery in prostitution should have the honesty to immediately stop going to prostitute and give up forums such as ISG. Whether they then go on to marry a non-slave non-trafficked girl who will give them lousy sex a few times before stealing all their money and making them into alimony slaves for life, is up to them, but at least they should be consistent.

You mean women in private life, want only money and give bad sex? If I understand right, with my bad English, then we didn't have same experiences in life. Just make a woman feeling beautiful, safe, confident about you, say her you love her and she will say you she wants you, she wants you take her for sex. Same with WGs, look at them and touch them like women and they won t refuse much and forget the word: extra.

Only depending from your behavior, even not from performance.

[Hessen Bub]

If girls are not showing off home with the money they make in Germany then there's no need for protection. Not here. Not there. Seen it often enough. But most girls are either showing how much money they make or they are so young, naive and scared that they believe they need someone to protect them.

HB.

[McAdonis]

How about about some credible articles on Romania? LOL.

https://books.google.de/books?id=x5O9cXL-AFwC&pg=PA133#v=onepage&q&f=false.

That is one on Bulgaria. BG shares similarities with RO: (1) ex-communist, (2) corrupt, (3) poor. Chapter 3 is all about the prostitution scene in BG. Since the discussion is about WGs working outside of their home country, the section "3. 4 Organized Crime in the Export of Prostitution" would be of particular interest. Within this section, many references to protection, security, pimps paying dues to organized crime bosses, pimps networking with other pimps or what the author refers to as "procurer networks". Last few paragraphs of this section talk about principle of mutual interest and economic benefit. By being affiliated with one procurer network, WGs avoid the risk of being exposed to another procurer network or corrupt police. If you read the wiki on "protection racket", this is the textbook definition.

Reason that seems plausible that Romies are adverse to doing any business with the Romanian men at the clubs goes inline with what you theorize. The Romanian men around being linked to criminal organization back in Romania, and that having some consequences back in Romania for the girls.

Perhaps there are people in clubs that are watchful of the WGs in the clubs (estimating how much they earn), and getting information about where they are headed back in Romania can be used against them (linked to an organization back in Ro). More of a reason for Romies to bullshit any personal info (their familial whereabouts in Romania) to anyone, which I don't see any reason for them to give out real personal info to any clients (people generally do not give out real personal info with anybody that are not close acquaintances). Who knows what ways people can pull information from these girls (a trustworthy colleague, some con-artist that can get close). This all depends on what methods these organizations use to track the down the girls.

There are sources that state the way trafficking works. Girls get picked up, sent, and on the other end takes care of the girl in some way. In this situation, they use some sort of scare tactics, threats, and any methods possible to contain them from outside influences.

If a WG was actually 100% "independent", then I fully agree she should be secretive due to safety concerns. As soon as she is connected to being a WG in DE, criminals back home would be able to deduce that she's probably bringing 10 K EUR every time she returns to RO, and potentially has another 20 K EUR or more stashed in her house. She'd be too tempting of a target for professional thieves back home. But here is the thing, in practice these girls are not secretive at all. They flaunt their wealth on their FB pages. One WG I know is even fans of the FB page for her FKK club. Could the real reason she is not targeted by thieves back home be attributed to the fact she has already paid her protection money to the gang? Per the Wiki, "Protection racketeers establish what they hope will be indefinitely long bonds with their clients. This allows the racketeers to publicly declare a client to be under their protection. Thus, thieves and other predators will have little confusion as to who is and isn't protected. ".

[Mr Ho]

That is not true for all the girls. It's not Artemis forcing them. And I don't mean economic pressure, 99% of all workers are working because they need the money.

HB.

That is the point I am making, money situation forcing them and not Artemis.

As for Pimps they exist, we see their names on tattoos of girls often, but it is not like in movies where girls are beaten repeatedly. Girls are happy to be with their pimps. It is biggest mystery to most, but it is true.

Pimps can give negotiation class to executives because they are good salesmen of lies to women and remember women are the biggest consumers LOL.

How pimps do it (tell girl to prostitute themselves and give them money) is big mystery LOL.

Some pimps have few girls working for him.

[Pistons]

I had a mini camera installed in their left breast to watch all cash transactions live on my tablet.

HB.

Nice, did you also follow the sexual moans of all the guys she blew off on your cellphone? Hehe.

But ok, you win. But only due to the mini camera

[Hessen Bub]

So have you been watching over these top girls throughout a whole month, or even just an entire week?

I had a mini camera installed in their left breast to watch all cash transactions live on my tablet.

HB.