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[Pistons]

I'm pretty sure I know which girls and which stories to believe and which not.

HB.

So have you been watching over these top girls throughout a whole month, or even just an entire week?

I might believe the very very top few girls could reach 500 in average, since I suppose the girl I know doesnt know every fkk girl in germany, but its as far as I would stretch it.

[Hessen Bub]

I highly doubt any girl averages 800. Then their only working weekends, and in my book that wouldn't count. If a girl told you that, then you shouldnt believe her. Its about the impression that it is normal for guys to overpay. So nothing but a salestrick...

I'm pretty sure I know which girls and which stories to believe and which not.

HB.

[Pistons]

It's not about prostitution being legal or not. If you think that a 18 or 19 year old Romanian girl comes to a German FKK on her own and is keeping all the money she makes: you are wrong.

There's a few girls making 600-800/ day on average, but these are the exception.

HB.

Nobody believes the new girls are keeping all the money themselves. Got to be living on the moon to think such a thing. A few returning girls in their upper 20's might be though. But most likely not the romanians.

I highly doubt any girl averages 800 and even have it from a gril that I trust that absolutely nobody makes that much money on average. Then their only working weekends, and in my book that wouldn't count. If a girl told you that, then you shouldnt believe her. Its about the impression that it is normal for guys to overpay. So nothing but a salestrick...

[Craiova]

The girls are let into the clubs on the whole due to their exceptional beauty and plenty of girls outside are yearning to get a place in a FKK club.

At the end of the day the good looking girls can make 1000 euros in a night.

The girls let into the FKK clubs first bc they pay every day full entrance fee to the club and second that they attract the guys to the club. Exceptional beauty? Where in which club? IMHO most of them average looking GND that's it and only few beauties. And most clubs let usually every girl in if she's more than 18 yo or 21 yo and speaks some English and / or German and can pay the entrance and have an ID. Times are gone when girls where waiting to get into a club. Around ten years ago this was the way and I know about clubs at this time expect a first entry fee up to 1000 Euro, but these times are gone. Nowadays only during Messe or peak season FKK clubs don't let some girls in. During the last orthodox Easter time I don't know any Hessen FKK club where a girl couldn't get in.

And 1000 Euro per night is still possible but more the exception. My guess in average for girls in average of all Hessen FKK club is a daily net income (after entrance fee and tax) of 350 euro.

[Hessen Bub]

It's not about prostitution being legal or not. If you think that a 18 or 19 year old Romanian girl comes to a German FKK on her own and is keeping all the money she makes: you are wrong.

There's a few girls making 600-800€/ day on average, but these are the exception.

HB.

[Pistons]

They don't make 1000 e per day in average. Maybe 10 days a year some of the girls reach that amount, but in average I don't think the girls makes more than 200 or 250 per day. Then comes their expences on all beauty stuff. So they are not left with much in the end. Ofcourse some girls might average 300 or even 350 e, but I don't think a single girl average 400 and up per day. After all her expences, she won't become a millionaire from this. But ofcourse the money goes alot further in romania than in western europe or usa. So she will feel like a millionaire when back home.

If these girls make 5000e a month after taxes and entry fees (if they pay that) they are happy. Any girl claiming she makes 10 000 and up a month is lying even if she is working 6 days a week. Most girls only work 5 days a week though.

But 5000e a month is a good salary anywhere in the world. The less fortunate girls are only left with 2-3000 a month. For them its very though.

[StarletVoyager]

A lot of the girls make their own way to and from Romania at their own will. These girls typically wear hundreds of euros in designer gear, phones, drive, etc high maintenance girls. The girls are let into the clubs on the whole due to their exceptional beauty and plenty of girls outside are yearning to get a place in a FKK club. There is an element of third party protectionism and an underworld element but in Germany everything is controlled, prostitution is legal this is not Honduras. I really think that the discussions are getting carried away but anyone can disagree with me. Bucharest is not the third world and the girls do NOT come from ghettos and many girls buy homes, cars and even start businesses in Romania with their savings. At the end of the day the good looking girls can make 1000 euros in a night and they have a laugh on our account by rinsing out the wallets of guys in their 40's and 50's with fat wallets. You tell me who is having the last laugh here? Comon time to wake up guys! my opinions meant in the nicest possible way.

[Hessen Bub]

I know. But if they could make a million bucks in a day, then the other problems would be less wouldn't they?

I do seriously not think so.

HB.

[XXL]

... And finally comes what pussylicker mentioned in another thread and what several girls at various clubs have told me too. They have large families to support, or high expences back in romania for all sorts of reasons. Most of whom have been brought up in poor places and some might even have been street beggars for all we know (although they won't ever tell you that due to their self esteem).

And do you think this doesn't apply to 85% of the Rumanian population, male or female?

Besides, members of this forum who harbour serious doubts about trafficking and sex-slavery in prostitution should have the honesty to immediately stop going to prostitute and give up forums such as ISG. Whether they then go on to marry a non-slave non-trafficked girl who will give them lousy sex a few times before stealing all their money and making them into alimony slaves for life, is up to them, but at least they should be consistent.

[Pistons]

That was not what I was referring to. Never mind.

HB.

I know. But if they could make a million bucks in a day, then the other problems would be less wouldn't they?

[Hessen Bub]

However, nobody force them to be there

That is not true for all the girls. It's not Artemis forcing them. And I don't mean economic pressure, 99% of all workers are working because they need the money.

HB.

[Mr Ho]

Truth is: Artemis is not more evil than other FKK clubs in Germany. Truth is: FKK girl's lifes are not as happy as you may think, what you see as a client is the fassade you are meant to see, you are not to see what is going on behind the scenes.

HB.

Well like I said, all girls have problems in life in one way or another, I do not think they went to Artemis with happy choice, they ended up there as result or solution to their problem, which is money problem.

However, nobody force them to be there, so what I am saying is that Artemis is not as evil and bad as media tried to portray. I mean it is well managed brothel called FKK where there are some rules, but not some evil forced ones.

And what is going on behind the scenes?

[Hessen Bub]

They have a really hard job trying to look perfect every day and sell themselves to guys in competition with 100 other girls also trying to be perfect.

That was not what I was referring to. Never mind.

HB.

[Pistons]

Who thinks they have an easy life? They have a really hard job trying to look perfect every day and sell themselves to guys in competition with 100 other girls also trying to be perfect. Not many jobs have 100 competitors within a small microclimate... now Artemis with their visitor numbers might be easier for some of the lookers than a few less visited clubs. But that might just be for 1/5 of the girls. Even at the highly visited Artemis (most visited club in germany I bet), the competition is fierce. Rumors has it that it can be up to 150 girls working there at peak weekends. But then it can fall down to 80 at low weekends. Its jungle words going around... being the biggest fish in such a big pond is incredibly hard... and the same can be said to the largest frankfurt clubs (sharks and oase have the most I think) and perhaps goldentime (how many girls work there at peak weekends?)

And finally comes what pussylicker mentioned in another thread and what several girls at various clubs have told me too. They have large families to support, or high expences back in romania for all sorts of reasons. Most of whom have been brought up in poor places and some might even have been street beggars for all we know (although they won't ever tell you that due to their self esteem).

[Hessen Bub]

I mean for the case of Artemis raid media coverage. I am for first time the first person opinion as I have been there for quite few years in different seasons of year. So when I read some coverage by media about how Artemis conduct evil things to girls etc. I was bit what? Because media was trying to portray Artemis as some evil brothel with bikers etc. I mean. Always knew about how medias are, but for first time being first person position to judge. I thought it is scary how media lie so much.

Truth is: Artemis is not more evil than other FKK clubs in Germany. Truth is: FKK girl's lifes are not as happy as you may think, what you see as a client is the fassade you are meant to see, you are not to see what is going on behind the scenes.

HB.