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[Mr Ho]

Yup, Marshall Plan was what helped Europe get back on it's feet. US spent and provided so much aid in Europe to fight against instability, and therefore spread of communism.

It was in the best Interest of US to spent money on getting Europe back on it's feet. Damaged economies are not the best trading partners. Germany can't pay back unless their economy was back up to their feet.

Same goes for Japan as well. Part of combating spread of communism in the cold war era.

The thought is, get the country's economy up by instilling US's economic philosophy, and prevent the influence of communism with instilling democratic idiology. Unstable country is susceptible to radical political parties to take over. This hinders the relationship and trade. Attempts were similar in Iraq with the instability during the US military presence there. Strategy was to get a stable government system going, but it was too much of a challenge as it's a different scenario there with the religious sects.

No reason for the US to go as far as to get into country's stance on prostitution. Not on their agenda, more important things as mentioned above.

The whole problem was that USA tried doing the same in middle east, and look at what happening now LOL.

It only works for Japan and Germany.

[PussyLiccker]

Yeah, I'd say Japan was the last big successful US "nation building" effort out there, together with the similar effort in Germany, a country that benefited enormously from the visionary US Marshall Plan, as did pretty much all of war-torn Western Europe.

Yup, Marshall Plan was what helped Europe get back on it's feet. US spent and provided so much aid in Europe to fight against instability, and therefore spread of communism.

It was in the best Interest of US to spent money on getting Europe back on it's feet. Damaged economies are not the best trading partners. Germany can't pay back unless their economy was back up to their feet.

Same goes for Japan as well. Part of combating spread of communism in the cold war era.

The thought is, get the country's economy up by instilling US's economic philosophy, and prevent the influence of communism with instilling democratic idiology. Unstable country is susceptible to radical political parties to take over. This hinders the relationship and trade. Attempts were similar in Iraq with the instability during the US military presence there. Strategy was to get a stable government system going, but it was too much of a challenge as it's a different scenario there with the religious sects.

No reason for the US to go as far as to get into country's stance on prostitution. Not on their agenda, more important things as mentioned above.

[Mr Ho]

A Romanian investigative journalist specializing on organized crime and corruption sourced from the Eastern block.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UwINWtd5J4

The bottom line is that we all mongers benefit from such trade, whether we like to admit it or not is different thing though.

I think FKK offer more or less fair trade, but I am also convinced that there are few that are not, but very few in FKK, other brothel and flat rate club more.

[PussyLiccker]

A Romanian investigative journalist specializing on organized crime and corruption sourced from the Eastern block.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UwINWtd5J4

[Mr Ho]

Yeah, I'd say Japan was the last big successful US "nation building" effort out there, together with the similar effort in Germany, a country that benefited enormously from the visionary US Marshall Plan, as did pretty much all of war-torn Western Europe. Eastern European countries on the other hand were left for Stalin to devour as he pleased. Interestingly, Romania occupies an unusual role among those; it had been a war-time ally of Nazi Germany for some time, and as such, one could argue it deserved its Stalinist post-war fate--except that it is always the common folk who end up suffering most. And speaking of that, I would argue that dropping two nuclear bombs on Japan was unnecessary and sadistic; the US could have started with a victimless warning by dropping just one over the ocean or over uninhabited land, but I can just imagine the hawks (then as now) arguing for immediate, devastating "shock and awe. " Gruesome how those who carried that out joyously celebrate the anniversary every year--never before or since has a single button push (or lever pull, whatever) led to such massive (civilian) human suffering and annihilation. Mr. Ho, what's your take on this?..

As for Atomic bomb. We realize that USA wanted to test on nation on human on purpose and what you said is more or less right.

But again, we are not victim playing race, I mean we denounce about atomic bomb, but we do not openly / officially do not file case against USA because again, it is war, we know it is ugly and both side played part, so instead of looking at past, we like to look to the future together with USA and now Japan and USA are good friend.

I have to say USA is very fair to you as long as you are willing to talk to them, of course they got their agenda, but us too, but as long as you are willing to talk, USA is not as bad as some people say and this is coming from the mouth of one time worst enemy of USA.

It was very quick after the war for Japan and USA to be friends, we understand their agenda, but they are fair, so I personally think we should keep straightening the friendship with USA and we are on same boat now, we buy most of their bond.

Atomic bomb was not nice, but majority of us understand that it is a war, so I do not expect them to give us candy during the war.

After the war was over, USA was really fair and respectful to us and I mean we fought so hard. , so it kinda built some mutual respect I guess. Now we are good friends for over half century and it will continue.

We live in great time now, we can even go to Germany and check into FKK to have sex from girls from middle east. I mean what a free world we live in.

[Mr Ho]

Yeah, I'd say Japan was the last big successful US "nation building" effort out there, together with the similar effort in Germany, a country that benefited enormously from the visionary US Marshall Plan, as did pretty much all of war-torn Western Europe. Eastern European countries on the other hand were left for Stalin to devour as he pleased. Interestingly, Romania occupies an unusual role among those; it had been a war-time ally of Nazi Germany for some time, and as such, one could argue it deserved its Stalinist post-war fate--except that it is always the common folk who end up suffering most. And speaking of that, I would argue that dropping two nuclear bombs on Japan was unnecessary and sadistic; the US could have started with a victimless warning by dropping just one over the ocean or over uninhabited land, but I can just imagine the hawks (then as now) arguing for immediate, devastating "shock and awe. " Gruesome how those who carried that out joyously celebrate the anniversary every year--never before or since has a single button push (or lever pull, whatever) led to such massive (civilian) human suffering and annihilation. Mr. Ho, what's your take on this?..

I now hope USA will impose now legal some part of USA green herbs to Japan ASAP LOL.

As for FKK. I hope Germany stay as it is with current rule for FKK because it is just balanced right. Brothel cannot be perfect and FKK is balanced more or less I think.

Even though Mr Hessenbub seems to think different on this issue LOL.

I really do not think FKK is as evil as Mr Hessenbub thinks, I mean I know it is not perfect and there are some pimping, but it is not like in flat rate clubs.

[Prurient6]

However, I wonder how HA do Pimping business. I mean how do you convince girls to work in FKK and give us money? It is pure mystery to me.

I think they work simply through lies and disinformation. The girls may not know that prostitution is totally legal in Germany; they may implicitly assume (and believe when they hear it) that it is illegal as in Romania, and thus they must fear the German police and need protection from abusive customers, thus they should fork over half of their earnings, like the guy in the video in prison says. That probably works better in Germany where they are less likely to pick up the (non-romance) language, but sooner or later they will get it, from other girls, from customers, etc. We have probably all seen how some FKK girls are exceedingly naive and others are totally savvy. They are less likely to get savvy quickly in a place like Airport Muschis, but it probably doesn't take long at Artemis or Oase. But either way, I'm sure the pimps assume each girl has a limited useful earning lifespan, be that due to exhaustion or to getting smart; I'm guessing the pimps are probably pretty good at predicting how long they'll be able to earn off any specific girl, so they know when they need to add to their stable in order to avoid a drop in cash flow.

The pimps would be totally unnecessary if education level, social morals, acceptance of prostitution and all that were such that a potential FKK girl would simply do some online research, maybe read ISG, and understand what it's like to work in one of those places, then decide to buy her ticket, as they are told to say to the police by the traffickers. After all, they often do stay on even after getting out of the pimp dependency relationship, because they just like the easy money (those for whom it indeed is easy).

So, disinformation really works. That's how Communism survived in Russia for over 70 years and in Eastern Europe for over 40. During the Cold War, most people in Eastern Europe had no idea what life in the West was like; The total simpletons believed the official propaganda about draconic exploitation (similar to the propaganda in North Korea today), whereas most "so-called" middle class people had an exaggerated fantasy about wealth and abundance in their minds. Or, think about how pretty much nobody knew for 12 years that the "Five Eyes" (meaning the security services of countries with English-speaking white guys) had declared the "golden age of electronic surveillance" and were tirelessly working to "collect all signals, all the time. " They still are, but at least nobody can say they haven't been told. But disinformation is still at work, trying to make us forget all that as quickly as possible, while in fact it is continuing uninhibited.

[Mr Ho]

Some explanation of what the "lover boy" method is, as defined by authorities in RO:

https://youtu.be/FsRoPDWrC1o

This video of incarcerated pimp explains two other recruiting methods, one where the girl knows upfront that she will be working as a WG in destination country, and one where the girl is offered a fake employment contract as a waitress:

https://youtu.be/HUBd0v2Fq-I

Well there is slight difference between pimp and [CodeWord908]. Waitress method is more like [CodeWord908].

However, I wonder how HA do Pimping business. I mean how do you convince girls to work in FKK and give us money? It is pure mystery to me.

[Mr Ho]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhzCuL4g1Jw

Well personally, I think USA is fair nation as long as they give you some kind of respect as they tend to look down on any nations and to us, I must say they have been fair to us because they could make things worst for us as we thought they would, but they really did not.

As for hating. We are more of get over it and recover race than hating, like it would make some sense to make big deal about atomic bomb, of course it was not nice, but it was war. So we understand evil thing happened and we also did evil things too, so it is in our mentality to get over it and look together into future.

So this is our mentality not playing victim, and look in past, but look for future. We did bad thing they did bad thing, now we are one looking into future. USA is our biggest friend and allies and in part we owe them our success.

However. Our neighbor nations in Asia tend to be different and opposite to us. They love dwell on past, keep on asking for money and apology. Though we apologize and gave them billions many times.

Anyways, I feel we should always be together with USA and our relationship develop further. We used to be biggest enemies, now we are among the closest allies that can be found in world, it is good example of how two nations can hate each other, but just in 50 years become close friends.

[Prurient6]

Some explanation of what the "lover boy" method is, as defined by authorities in RO:

https://youtu.be/FsRoPDWrC1o

This video of incarcerated pimp explains two other recruiting methods, one where the girl knows upfront that she will be working as a WG in destination country, and one where the girl is offered a fake employment contract as a waitress:

https://youtu.be/HUBd0v2Fq-I

Fascinating, thanks for finding those. I think it is more than obvious that if prostitution were legal and open everywhere, all these guys would lose their business. They can only make good money because it is illegal in many places--analogous to drug dealers.

[Prurient6]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhzCuL4g1Jw

Yeah, I'd say Japan was the last big successful US "nation building" effort out there, together with the similar effort in Germany, a country that benefited enormously from the visionary US Marshall Plan, as did pretty much all of war-torn Western Europe. Eastern European countries on the other hand were left for Stalin to devour as he pleased. Interestingly, Romania occupies an unusual role among those; it had been a war-time ally of Nazi Germany for some time, and as such, one could argue it deserved its Stalinist post-war fate--except that it is always the common folk who end up suffering most. And speaking of that, I would argue that dropping two nuclear bombs on Japan was unnecessary and sadistic; the US could have started with a victimless warning by dropping just one over the ocean or over uninhabited land, but I can just imagine the hawks (then as now) arguing for immediate, devastating "shock and awe. " Gruesome how those who carried that out joyously celebrate the anniversary every year--never before or since has a single button push (or lever pull, whatever) led to such massive (civilian) human suffering and annihilation. Mr. Ho, what's your take on this?

But on the topic of FKK, I think it's nice of the US not to impose their own prehistoric anti-prostitution stance on Germany. After all, at least since Edward Snowden everyone knows their reach extends deep into German society, as formerly secret treaties have been revealed. A toast to US generosity, in allowing Germany to keep its FKK clubs! As a result, German men, descendants of Nazis, can simply go to the nearest club and select from a plethora of beautiful, available women, which they can fuck for money in a safe, comfortable, relaxed and affordable environment. On the other hand, American men, descendants of those who destroyed the Nazis, have to cruise dark streets in search of drugged-up street hookers, some of whom may turn out to be robbers or police decoys. Booking call girls over the internet can have the same outcome--a single mistake can ruin one's day or your life. All because one wanted a bit of tail, how humiliating. Any American men reading this? How can you guys let this stand?

[McAdonis]

Some explanation of what the "lover boy" method is, as defined by authorities in RO:

https://youtu.be/FsRoPDWrC1o

This video of incarcerated pimp explains two other recruiting methods, one where the girl knows upfront that she will be working as a WG in destination country, and one where the girl is offered a fake employment contract as a waitress:

https://youtu.be/HUBd0v2Fq-I

[PussyLiccker]

It is opposite culture of Germany and Japan. After we lost war. We became extremely poor and in bad situation in the world. But we kept our head down, using our brain and worked and those who got rich did not leave the country, but invested in the industries that created our strong hold in world economy in most areas whether it is car, bank, technologies etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhzCuL4g1Jw

[Mr Ho]

Here is an article with some investigation done. Some anecdotes on circumstances of some Romies got into, and how it came to being.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-902533.html

This is flat rate club in Berlin, so I understand how it should be abolished, but it is with regret that FKK Artemis which do not carry out such service or practice was raided with allegedly 900 police.

I mean. What did police expect from Artemis. Full tactical gear blow back? I mean there are like 5 securities max not even, prostitutes, horny clients in robe with rubber slippers and reception ladies and barmaids there.

It would be nice to attack flat rate brothel like in article and not FKK.

[Prurient6]

Here is an article with some investigation done. Some anecdotes on circumstances of some Romies got into, and how it came to being.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-902533.html

Aha, thanks. Here is one thing that surprised me: 'When girls in Moldova are 15 or 16, says Cora's psychologist, their brothers and fathers often say to them: "Go out and make some money. " ' Very similar to the Thai "tradition" of sending young girls to the cities to work in "bars" and sustain the whole family.

BTW, while the article is to some extent well-researched, it draws the usual, fundamentally flawed conclusions. There should be no debate ever about whether selling or buying sex should be made illegal in country that calls itself free, just like there isn't one about selling or buying any other services, be that manicure, massage, housework, medical treatment, car wash or tax preparation. That should always be the end of such a discussion; no self-respecting journalist should write about anything else, and any politician or "academic researcher" who advocates legislation to the contrary should immediately be ridiculed as antidemocratic. Alas, people don't really understand what freedom means, and legislators with various hidden agendas take advantage of that, as they did in the (still-Victorian) US a hundred years ago, or more recently in leftist-dictatorial Sweden, and just now in backward France.

That said, some of those flat-rate brothels sound horrible, and government regulation of such shitholes is probably necessary. But then, blackmail, physical abuse and torture have always been illegal and should be prosecuted independently of the legal status of prostitution. Not surprisingly, the article doesn't take such a reasonable and logical position; instead, it implies (without actually spelling it out) that the Swedish model is ideal, when in fact that model represents a totalitarian aberration. Germany is not behind Sweden, it is years ahead of them. Most problems exposed are the result of Germany being the only such advanced country, of prostitutes not being aware of their rights, as well as of lax enforcement of those rights.

But anyway, I am probably preaching to the converted here. I just get really mad whenever I read one of those holier-then-thou "investigative journalism" pieces on prostitution which invariably always come to the same idiotic result.