German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Nille Copenhagen]

According to their official (facebook page, FKK Grand Palais is opening at end of 2015.

Scroll down and you'll see Grand opening end of 2015.

I heard the opening is October 2014 as well, so which info is true? Has it been delayed or it has been pushed forward?

And where is the club in Potsdam? Is it near Berlin Westkreuz or is it more close to Potsdam? I hope there is S bahn near by.

Here is the link:

https://www.facebook.com/grandpalaisclub

The opening is 15th Oct. I'm going to check it out.

[Mr Ho]

According to their official (facebook page, FKK Grand Palais is opening at end of 2015.

Scroll down and you'll see Grand opening end of 2015.

I heard the opening is October 2014 as well, so which info is true? Has it been delayed or it has been pushed forward?

And where is the club in Potsdam? Is it near Berlin Westkreuz or is it more close to Potsdam? I hope there is S bahn near by.

Here is the link: https://www.facebook.com/grandpalaisclub

[Mr Ho]

During my FKK tour a few weeks ago, a couple of GT girls mentioned to me that they slept at the club. I do not know if they paid extra for this, or whether it is just a way for the club to have girls available from opening time, but it made me think.

One girl mentioned that we were sessioning in 'her' room, I. E. Where she slept at night. She also mentioned that she was cold at night. Another girl also told me (without my inquiry) that she slept in one of the rooms with another girl, but that she was also cold at night.

I know that Villa Vertigo offers this at a premium fee, but has anyone been successful at negotiating an overnight stay IN the club? It certainly would be nice to wake up in the morning curled up with a lovely girl or even better, two. And it would certainly beat spending some money on a local hotel (IBIS, Mercure, etc) for a few hours sleep until the club re-opens.

Maybe there is a regulatory issue, or maybe there is an issue about monitoring against unruly men or something that prevents this.

In Artemis, girls sleep at top floor, rooms are either 2 or 3 girls per room no single room and they have to check in and pay entry at 11 AM.

It is very efficient system for girls as it also provide all that they need for this line of work and most importantly the place provide girls with security as there are some creepy clients who like to follow girls etc. I hear some freaky staff from girls who once lived outside of FKK. So apparently it is safer for some girls to live in fkk, but living in same place as they work with this kinda jobs need solid strong mentality, I respect some of these girls as they got more ball than some of us men.

[Vito Corleone]

During my FKK tour a few weeks ago, a couple of GT girls mentioned to me that they slept at the club. I do not know if they paid extra for this, or whether it is just a way for the club to have girls available from opening time, but it made me think.

One girl mentioned that we were sessioning in 'her' room, I. E. Where she slept at night. She also mentioned that she was cold at night. Another girl also told me (without my inquiry) that she slept in one of the rooms with another girl, but that she was also cold at night.

I know that Villa Vertigo offers this at a premium fee, but has anyone been successful at negotiating an overnight stay IN the club? It certainly would be nice to wake up in the morning curled up with a lovely girl or even better, two. And it would certainly beat spending some money on a local hotel (IBIS, Mercure, etc) for a few hours sleep until the club re-opens.

Maybe there is a regulatory issue, or maybe there is an issue about monitoring against unruly men or something that prevents this.

Many girls do sleep at the club like GT, ACA, LR, VV & etc. I think in the NRW, VV is the only place a client is able to stay & sleep overnight. Not really sure if there is any advantage paying a premium to sleep there for a couple hrs then pay the entry fee again. I guess it can be convenient if you do not have a car. Not sure if there are any places to stay in Grefrath. I believe you can stay with a girl overnight. It has been offered to me in the past & I heard rumors. Not sure the costs.

GT is located in the middle of nowhere, but there are many options for you to stay the night. GT is not possible, but there are a couple places just walking distance from the club.

[Mambomike]

Outside the room, the time between sessions is sometimes difficult to manage at some clubs. Food, sauna, hottub, girl-watching help fill the time.

In between sex events during a session, you can always talk, kiss, cuddle etc. , but if she is receptive I just take my time and give her DATY to try and give her the most mind-blowing orgasm that I can generate from her. Some are truly appreciative of the effort, taking the pressure off of getting the guy off on his next orgasm.

Hi guys,

I wanted to ask you and know generally from everyone here, when you guys go for an extended lets say 1 hour or One and Half Hours or two Hours just in case (This is for people who cum) once you have cum after your first round and you are still inside the room waiting for the second session to start what do you guys do in between times with the girl? Just chat with her? Cuddle here by making her sit in your lap? Or just sleep? What exactly? Can anyone Share his experiences? I am very curious to know what do most guys do between time in between sessions?

[Mambomike]

During my FKK tour a few weeks ago, a couple of GT girls mentioned to me that they slept at the club. I do not know if they paid extra for this, or whether it is just a way for the club to have girls available from opening time, but it made me think.

One girl mentioned that we were sessioning in 'her' room, I. E. Where she slept at night. She also mentioned that she was cold at night. Another girl also told me (without my inquiry) that she slept in one of the rooms with another girl, but that she was also cold at night.

I know that Villa Vertigo offers this at a premium fee, but has anyone been successful at negotiating an overnight stay IN the club? It certainly would be nice to wake up in the morning curled up with a lovely girl or even better, two. And it would certainly beat spending some money on a local hotel (IBIS, Mercure, etc) for a few hours sleep until the club re-opens.

Maybe there is a regulatory issue, or maybe there is an issue about monitoring against unruly men or something that prevents this.

Most working girls (probably except for those German working girls) also sleep in the dorm next door when they are working in Germany. So, they pay 65+30+15=110 Euros every day.

[Mr Ho]

Every time I think of how poor those working girls really are, and maybe I should stop visiting those P4 P places, these kind of ideas only last for maybe 1 minute.

When I become friend with some of these FKK girls like exchange real name, meet them outside, mobile number etc. I feel the same way as you do, but instead I pay up as that will help them the most. It is of course within reasonable rate based on supply and demand, but I pay up to show my appreciation as some of these girls are actually good hearted girls and the situation put them to the work they do and mostly not by their will. Paying is the best way I think.

[Mr Ho]

The opening day is 15th Oct, be there or be square LOL. I'm going!

It will not be the biggest FKK club, where have you got your info from?

I heard it from some girls at Artemis. They told me the biggest one, but maybe it is one of the biggest is what they mean. I saw few photos and it seems big though.

As for opening date, I googled it and I arrived to their facebook page and there are few videos, and in this videos, if you look closely, it mentioned opening in 2015. But I also heard it is opening this year in October. So I was wondering, I got feeling it may take a year or two, but selections of girls would be more wider and thus it will have better line up than Artemis. I hope it will have many younger girls around 20 years old. This visit to artemis I realized that line up is getting old. Like 25 years old up. Even older.

As for tax, it interested me mainly because I just wondered and also I see girls outside fkk sometimes like escort kinda thing (private one), but always these girls always ask high prices, so I needed reasons to put down the price and tax would be one more good reason for me to lower her demanded price) but if it is 30 euro. Hmmmm that don't make that much different; But it is fair system for hard reputated German tax authorities, I thought they are much tougher when collecting tax.

[Solo Traveler]

it says that in practice girls who pay 30 euros will no longer be bothered.

Right, I don't think the tax authorities have the ability to keep so many eyes on those foreign working girls (with Romanians being the majority).

I think that "the girls pay 30 Euros for tax per day, and that's it, no one will bother them again" sounds more practical and real.

Besides, the fact that the working girls (in Sharks, as far as I know) pay 95 Euros as entrance fee per day strengthens this viewpoint.

(Extra 15 Euros if she wants to sleep in the Sharks' dorm next door at that night, but this is off topic.).

I didn't know why they have to pay such an amount as their entrance fee.

Now, maybe the "one-time 30 Euros tax" is exactly the answer!

We customers pay 65 Euros as entrance fee to get in the club. (It's actually a one-day ticket by their German definition of "TagesKarte").

For the club, the working girls are also customers to the club, so, logically, the working girls should also pay exactly 65 Euros as their entrance fee.

However, the German government wants the working girls to pay 30 Euros as tax, so the girls end up paying 65+30=95 Euros to the club, if they come and work in the club.

Most working girls (probably except for those German working girls) also sleep in the dorm next door when they are working in Germany. So, they pay 65+30+15=110 Euros every day.

That's actually a big burden for working girls.

They spend 110 Euros before earning any money every day, which means they have to make at last 3 sessions (if 50 Euros each) to make a profit!

They lost 110 Euros from their pocket before getting any customer, which may explain why some girls always desperately beg customers to take her for at least 1 hour or take extras such as CIM or COB.

So, if a girl gets a total amount of 150 Euros from the customers in one day, she actually only makes a profit of 40 Euros.

And don't forget that some working girls may have pimps or other despicable characters behind their backs, who may then take away more than 50% of her profit.

Every time I think of how poor those working girls really are, and maybe I should stop visiting those P4 P places, these kind of ideas only last for maybe 1 minute.

After 1 minute, my brain automatically keep fantasizing and planning my future sexcation in the German FKK clubs.

[XXL]

However, it is hard to control and only 30 euros tax per day is bit too relaxed taxation rate? I mean girls makes up to about 1000 euros a day (for popular girls), some just few hundred.

It is not in our interest for girls to pay too much taxes, because in the end we end up paying. Second, as you say yourself, some girls barely break even so the system should not be too hard on them. After all, the FKK already pays taxes, so our money is taxed to some extent. Last but not least, the authorities set up such a system to enable wandering girls to pay taxes. Otherwise go send a tax return to a Rumanian girl who works 3 months in Germany, 3 months in Turkey etc. With weeks of holiday in Rumania in between.

I differ with what Hessen Bub says about the 30 euros being only an advance payment. If you read the linked website below (in German), it says that in practice girls who pay 30 euros will no longer be bothered. Again, pragmatism prevails.

[Nille Copenhagen]

Apparently this FKLK, Grand Palais set to be open in potsdam is going to be the biggest FKK in Germany.

Hmmm cannot wait for this one! It will be good competition to Artemis.

Will it be like Palace and Oase kinda thing in Berlin?

It supposed to be open this year. But I also hear it is set to open in end of 2015. Which info is the right one I don't know.

The opening day is 15th Oct, be there or be square LOL. I'm going!

It will not be the biggest FKK club, where have you got your info from?

[Mr Ho]

Apparently this FKLK, Grand Palais set to be open in potsdam is going to be the biggest FKK in Germany.

Hmmm cannot wait for this one! It will be good competition to Artemis.

Will it be like Palace and Oase kinda thing in Berlin?

It supposed to be open this year. But I also hear it is set to open in end of 2015. Which info is the right one I don't know.

[MrManGuy]

Just out of pure interest.

Does girls working in FKK have to pay tax on their income? Like income tax etc.

I mean if sessions are like 50 euro /60 euro right? Do fkk girls have to pay income tax on these?

I would imagine they have to pay tax since it is legal business activities in germany to sell sex in FKK, but how can tax collectors can control that?

Sometimes they may want a documented income stream other times not would be my guess.

[Hessen Bub]

Again: The 30€ are just an advance payment and will be accounted against the tax you have to pay. Which depends on your income.

HB.

[Mr Ho]

There is a tax exempt amount. Above that the girls have to pay tax. How to control the girl's income. Good question. Ask the tax authorities. LOL.

HB.

Thanks for your feedbacks guys Yeah it interested me as it is big income for girls and also good target and fair target for tax department as prostitution is legal in Germany.

However, it is hard to control and only 30 euros tax per day is bit too relaxed taxation rate? I mean girls makes up to about 1000 euros a day (for popular girls), some just few hundred.

Hmmm it is interesting topic that I will ask some girls that I am friend with in fkk.

As for Babylon, you talking ones in Austria? The branch in vienna charge 450 euro for half an hour and 150 euro goes to the girls and 300 goes to the club. This is what the girls told me, but it is hard clubs to work in because clients tend to be more demanding and most has some fetish. This is what I have been told.

This tax thing is interesting topic as normally in any nation, tax on legal red light district, gambling, gaming etc are taxed heavily / strictly to make it legal. Especially all the foreign girls working at fkk, I am certain that German authority want to tax them promptly to get some fair return to letting them work in Germany.

But like restaurant / club type business it is hard to tax dept to control it.