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[Hessen Bub]

A girl at Artemis (her name is Joyce, some here may know her) told me the 30-euro a day scheme was called the "Berliner Model". Alas, she said, it is not available in all places.

That is exactly what I described. It is also called theüsseldorfer Verfahren.

http://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Düsseldorfer_Verfahren.

HB.

[XXL]

A girl at Artemis (her name is Joyce, some here may know her) told me the 30-euro a day scheme was called the "Berliner Model". Alas, she said, it is not available in all places.

[Hessen Bub]

That is a rumor. The 25 or 30 are just an advance payment and will be accounted against the tax you have to pay. This was done because most girls do not pay any tax at all and so the authorities at least get some tax from the girls. The clubs have to take it in and forward it to the tax department. But it is NOT that the girls only pay the 25 per day and that's it.

If a girl has paid 200 days per 25 and her tax debt is below 5,000 she would even get a refund. If she collects all the receipts which the club would have to give her. And If she does her tax declaration.

HB.

[Free Dude]

I don't know what the exact rule is, but there is some way that the girls can "pay off" their tax burden for about 20 or 30 euros a day. This will be payed when they pay entry. In a club like Babylon (no entry for girls, but the club takes 10 E for each 30 minutes in a room) you might encounter girls late at night that refuse to go to the room for just 30 minutes since almost the whole 50 euros will in that case be taken by the club and taxes (if they remain sessionless, they don't have to pay the tax).

Again, I don't know how this workd exactly, but I know that most of the Romanian girls pay this one time fee. I do believe German girls (or girls that live in Germant permanently) are more likely to pay normal income tax, must be some benefit to it.

[Hessen Bub]

There is a tax exempt amount. Above that the girls have to pay tax. How to control the girl's income. Good question. Ask the tax authorities. LOL.

HB.

[Mr Ho]

Just out of pure interest.

Does girls working in FKK have to pay tax on their income? Like income tax etc.

I mean if sessions are like 50 euro /60 euro right? Do FKK girls have to pay income tax on these?

I would imagine they have to pay tax since it is legal business activities in Germany to sell sex in FKK, but how can tax collectors can control that?

[PussyLiccker]

You are reading too much into it ST. Lots of what you stated are speculations. As long as nobody harasses, beats you, or deny equal opportunity, no need to speculate small stuff. Germany is a civil place compared to some places around the world. If you look like an outsider no doubt people will notice.

[Solo Traveler]

I think it is neither economic nor ethnic, but political.
People in the West do not like much the agressive expansionist policies that the Chinese government currently pursues in East Asia. Neither do they like their way to pin down any dissent, and the way they handle the minorities (Ughurs, Tibetan).
This forum is not the place to argue about those policies, but this is an answer to your question.

Yes, that would be an answer. Sounds like the reasons the USA was disliked before 2008.

However, one can dislike a government all he wants, but if he starts to take his anger out on the people from that country, he definitely crosses the line.

Besides, most people living outside Asia don't seem to know much about Asia.

I've met lots of Europeans who call all East Asian-looking people "Chinese", and call all South Asian-looking people "Indian".

Germans are generally okay. They're too busy being German to care much about foreigners. IMO.

Yes, I agree with you.

Germany is foreigners-friendly in general.

However, I did hear very few people saying something like they were tired of foreigners occupying their living spaces and taking their resources.

[Solo Traveler]

It could be a misunderstanding. Did they call you names? Hostile to me would be like "Go back to f* China!

Some people are ignorant and have zero social skills. They can't read signals and body language. They laugh at their own jokes, not realizing others are not laughing with them. They may not realize that pulling their eyes back, making mock martial arts and Chinese sounds was offensive to you.

Secondly, it doesn't sound like you speak German. Many people live in Germany and speak German, but they could be from other parts of Europe. Third, mocking languages is common. Most Europeans make mock German sounds. They are not necessarily hostile towards Germans. They just think German is an ugly language: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3hLLwOhs6c.

Not saying there aren't German racists out there. But generally they are not overt. They are polite and probably would say it when you are not around. I believe Germans probably some guilt around the Holocaust. So any Germans who are racist or anti-semitic will be ostracized if they outwardly express their feelings.

Lastly, as others have pointed out. In other parts of the world like Japan, foreigners aren't allowed into certain sex establishments. In Germany, there isn't really such a thing. Except maybe the Anti-Turkish, anti-dark skin policy in NRW.

Hi McAdonis,

1. After rethinking this issue for a while, I agree that what happened to me (which offended me and made me feel uncomfortable) were resulted from ignorance, stupidity, and maybe slight disrespect.

They were not resulted from hostility or hatred.

2. And, yes, I don't speak German. I cannot tell if a person is a local German, an immigrant from other parts of the world, or just a foreign tourist like myself.

I remembered a local German (born and grew up in Frankfurt) told me that there are actually more foreigners (non-German citizens) than the local German citizens around Frankfurt and the Main river area.

Therefore, it's possible that I was just unlucky to meet some despicable foreigners from other countries. If that's the case, then, yes, it has nothing to do with Germany or the Germans.

3. Yes, I get your point.

In Germany, East Asians are not be the targets to be discriminated against.

East Asians may be mocked or made fun of, but not encounter any real harm or any real hostility / hatred.

Okay, I guess the East Asian males' stereotypes in the Western world are sometimes two-edged swords for "westernized East Asians" like me.

I remembered that when I get into a gym in Kelsterbach, every one inside started to stare at me, as if they never thought that an East Asian guy would be masculine and tough enough to come to a gym and lift weights like a real man. LOL.

Thank you very much for your reply.

[MrManGuy]

I think it is neither economic nor ethnic, but political.

People in the West do not like much the agressive expansionist policies that the Chinese governement currently pursues in East Asia. Neither do they like their way to pin down any dissent, and the way they handle the minorities (Ughurs, Tibetan).

This forum is not the place to argue about those policies, but this is an answer to your question.

Honest to god if you care what left wing hippy western europeans thought you wouldn't go to an FKK be. See it is exploitation. Seriously we're massively exploiting these poor girls and we're all dirty old men.

[Dreams]

I guess it has something to do with China's economy policy, which makes Western European labors feel threatened?

Or maybe it has something to do with the Chinese immigrants in Western Europe?

I think it is neither economic nor ethnic, but political.

People in the West do not like much the agressive expansionist policies that the Chinese governement currently pursues in East Asia. Neither do they like their way to pin down any dissent, and the way they handle the minorities (Ughurs, Tibetan).

This forum is not the place to argue about those policies, but this is an answer to your question.

[MrManGuy]

I am not trying to create a controversy or offend German people here.

I am asking this question sincerely.

Do some kind of anti-Chinese thoughts prevail in the German society right now?

Thanks

Germans are generally okay. They're too busy being German to care much about foreigners. IMO.

[Iceberg27]

Please tell us what went up(or down) when you were there in the GT thread. I didn't even know you were at GT. Don't recall seeing your report of GT. Been with couple Turkish girls at GT. I been with one really hot Turkish girl at GT, and service was not so good. Sheyanne is a pretty Turkish girl with the big naturals and nice booty, very down to earth and provide good service when she started.

I don't remember her name but she was a fake blonde and have a dark skin. Some tattoos. I didn't so much like the place because it was a rainy day so garden was empty. There were less girls because of non Romanian policy and quality was not as high as I am expecting. I think rooms are not comfortable for such a high class facility. Briefly for people like me Oase is much more preferable, much more fun.

[Banana Boi]

Well I only knew of GT. So really it should be "NRW club", not plural.

If I recall correctly some Asian ISG members had problems getting in to Pauschalclub Dortmund, Munster, and Bochum.

[XXL]

There is no question, it is the local ethnic minorities they want to keep out and often that's all there is to it.

Turks, especially young ones, don't have a good reputation. I remember latinas in Frankfurt's RLD (HbH) complaining about how young turks tried to come twice during the alloted short time (and demanded some of the money back if they couldn't).