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[Free Dude]

HB I wouldn't spend too much times on these bozos who think they have it so bad; most people know better.

I would use a different term though, as the definition of "traficking" is so broad as to lose any meaning. If you give a girl a lift from Sharks to Oase (because she heard it's so much better there) and she gives you a piece of gum along the way (let alone any real compensation): you're liable to be prosecuted for trafficking.

If the authorities would really mind so much, they'd make it a bit easier for girls to start in this line of work (admittedly Germany isn't as bad as Holland), thus eliminating (to some extent) the need for go betweens.

[XXL]

to say that trafficking is a feminist hoax and conspiracy is false and a punch in the face for trafficked girls in germany.

please spend some time reading / googling about "the myth of sex-trafficking". also about "the rescue industry". and while you're at it, about "male chivalry", "female victimhood", "male disposability" and "female hypoagency".

why not marry a trafficked girl to rescue her? you could do so when she's 16 or 14 in some countries, because you see, she may not be mature enough to prostitute, but she's mature enough to marry you (turn you into her own personal slave). so you marry natasha to save her from the evil sex-traffickers. after a while she takes you to the cleaners before the family court. she lives and fucks other men in your house (her house now). she has you put in jail for alimony delinquency. she falsely accuses you of molesting her / your children (of which she has exclusive custody). be lucky she doesn't (yet) have the right to have you slaughtered in order to sell your organs.

in today's world, indeed throughout history, it's men who've been exploited / trafficked, tortured and killed. millions of men maimed and killed in war. 500 thousand killed at the battle of the somme, how many women among them? hundreds of thousands of men beaten and ass-raped in prisons. do you think women care? they don't. women do not even recognize men have human rights. hell, women do not even recognize men are human. to women, men are at best utilities. and you should worry about some natasha who made bad life choices because she got gina tingles for some bad boy from one of the former soviet republics? wake up!

[SwingerLover]

Did you read about the Pussy Club trial in Stuttgart / Fellbach a few years ago?

No, I didn't. I did however see a TV documentary, where some girls bitterly complained about not being able to work there anymore.

So a girl dancing can't be trafficked?

Of course she could. It's not the dancing that convinced me otherwise in this case, but the cheerful attitude they displayed. People who are forced into doing something are not that happy!

and if you don't want to see the dark side of the business

I have indeed seen no such thing as a "dark side of the business" regarding the girls at the places I have been to so far. (The only "dark side" was "dark" for the guys, if they got cheated or got bad service at one place or another.) You can't be serious if you are telling me that the women at the Spermagames- or GB01-gangbangs are trafficked, nor have I seen any indication at the few flatrate clubs I have been to. I strongly suspect that if there is any trafticking going on at all, it happens at the high-priced P4 P places, at regular brothels or with street hookers. Because that's where the most money could be "trafficked".

[Manny51]

As long as we have recently been on the topic of age limits and [CodeWord908], I wanted to point out an excellent cover article and editorial in "The Economist" last week on prostitution. Anyone interested in the changing economics and demographics of prostitution should check it out.

In case any of you have never heard of it, The Economists is pretty much the best news magazine out there. It is a truly politically moderate publication and unaffected by the current partisan madness in the US. Its like Time magazine, but with a broader foreign events coverage, and much more intelligent. I think that it is the highest quality periodical of any kind.

[Hessen Bub]

What are you trying to tell me? There's no forced girls in flatrate clubs? Keep on dreaming. I know what I have seen in FKK clubs and I know what actions I have taken. Did you read about the Pussy Club trial in Stuttgart / Fellbach a few years ago? That was a Flatrate Club. So a girl dancing can't be trafficked? Good one. How naive can you be?

If you want to go on provoking with stupid stereotypes and if you don't want to see the dark side of the business and that you have certainly be fucking extorted or trafficked girls. Do so. Reality bites. I'll stop discussing that matter here, the facts have been stated, opinions exchanged.

HB.

[SwingerLover]

Is a girl trafficked who is threatened by a guy to do her or her family harm if she doesn't bring him a certain amount of money per week? Even if he doesn't physically hit or abuse her? I've seen enough of that in Germany.

That's no trafficking, that plain and simple extortion!

Where have you seen that? Did you call the police? Because if you see a crime in progress, you are obliged to inform the police (and even intervene if possible).

Since I got the idea from a recent post of yours that you don't do flatrate, I assume you saw that in an FKK- or Sauna-Club? I've never seen anybody at a flatrate place or a gangbang that gave me any idea about the girl not working there voluntarely. Sure, they all have their bad days sometimes. But if they hop around dancing in the lounge at 22:00 all happy and cheerful after already being fucked for 11 hours, then that doesn't strike me as someone who is forced into the business.
So (without having checked the links yet) I agree with Brazil Specialist for the most part. IMO the trafficking issue is blown out of proportion as much as the STD hysteria is. And all because the men seem to be unable to send the feminists back to the kitchen.

The age of consent in Germany may be 14, but you have to be 18 if you want to work as a prostitute.

The latter is correct, the former only partially. The legal age to have sex is 14 ONLY if the sex-partner is under 21! Otherwise it's 16, and all as long as it's no paysex.

Of course laws regarding porn apply as well. That creates the ridiculous sitution that theoretically a group of 40 year old guys could pick up two 16 year old girls at a disco and take them home for an orgy, if the girls consent to it and there is no money paid; but they do not dare take pictures of that action and then show those pics to the girls, because that would be offering pornographic photos to minors. (Same goes of course for a 40-year-old woman who would take in a group of 16-year-old boys. But I guess feminists wouldn't mind in this case.) So at 16, they are basically old enough to DO porn, (as long as it's not filmed or photographed) but are not allowed to watch it. Are there any countries where laws are more stupid?

[Mr Ho]

To say that trafficking is a feminist hoax and conspiracy is false and a punch in the face for trafficked girls in Germany. How do you define trafficking? Is a girl trafficked who is threatened by a guy to do her or her family harm if she doesn't bring him a certain amount of money per week? Even if he doesn't physically hit or abuse her? I've seen enough of that in Germany.

http://www.bka.de/nn_194550/EN/SubjectsAZ/TraffickingInHumanBeings/traffickingInHumanBeings__node.html?__nnn=true

The age of consent in Germany may be 14, but you have to be 18 if you want to work as a prostitute. For girls under 21 criteria for trafficking are stricter than for girls over 21. You should stay with the facts and not post some obscure links and data not relevant for the discussion (age if consent of 14).

HB.

I agree with HB, such a trade do still exist and in some country it is more than others and I feel it is just sad nature of this oldest profession called prostitution.

It is hard topic for us monger to comment on and maybe our excuse is that girl we session with in German FKK is not exactly forced to work there, but based on my experience, there are some cases that some FKK girls actually has PIMP. For example, I met a lot of girls at FKK who tattooed their name of boyfriend from hells angel on her body. I mean is it part of kind of forced prostitution or is that their choice to be pimped by their boy friend who is member of hells angel or related parties. They all provide good service and I never felt un safe and by appearance girls seemed to be fine with the situation too. Or maybe just too naive to realize the situation.

Either way, I feel German FKK is handling this sad problem well as they can and that is one of the reason why prostitution was legalized in germany, so that it can be controlled by state to protect women and also clients from these negative side of sex industry. Nothing can be done perfectly.

[Hessen Bub]

If trafficking is almost non-existent, if it is a feminist hoax, then there are not more 18 to 21 year old girls trafficked.

To say that trafficking is a feminist hoax and conspiracy is false and a punch in the face for trafficked girls in Germany. How do you define trafficking? Is a girl trafficked who is threatened by a guy to do her or her family harm if she doesn't bring him a certain amount of money per week? Even if he doesn't physically hit or abuse her? I've seen enough of that in Germany.

http://www.bka.de/nn_194550/EN/SubjectsAZ/TraffickingInHumanBeings/traffickingInHumanBeings__node.html?__nnn=true

The age of consent in Germany may be 14, but you have to be 18 if you want to work as a prostitute. For girls under 21 criteria for trafficking are stricter than for girls over 21. You should stay with the facts and not post some obscure links and data not relevant for the discussion (age if consent of 14).

HB.

[Brazil Specialist]

i do. look at goldentime, they now have a limit on age (over 21) and a limit on certain nationality's working in the club. they never had that before, why now? could it be the senior girls grouped together and got this new house rule passed? i think something along those lines happened. i know they have several female counter workers, have to wonder what kind of pull they have with the owner and managers? you also say middle aged working ladies which gives the impression mid 40's (which is incorrect). its the late 20's, early 30's girls who are losing their looks who benefit by keeping the competition from entering the club. funny how it was ok for them to start working at the age of 19 but not for the new girls.

ask yourself this, would a male owner of a club actually say "hey, lets put these restrictions on the new girls". it just doesn't fit, money is king and the hotter the talent, the better the turnout. now it would be interesting if gt put a notice up that restricted women over the age of 30 from working in their club.

funny, i first read they might put up a note to restrict women under 30 from the club. that might happen in the near future.

the site www.theantifeminist.com and the sites in his blogroll deal with sex hysteria, history of feminism. he espouses the theory of feminism as a sexual trade union, where old hags make laws and invent stories (like trafficking) to make sure their men can not enjoy young lasses.

the antifeminist says: all feminists are [CodeWord127].

feminists prevent men from having sex not only with girls under an ever increasing age of consent, but also with their 30 year old secretaries (harassment laws and "power differential" restrictions), with women who are a bit tipsy, etc.

all this with the purpose to force men to have sex with the older hags. thus it is [CodeWord123].

ever since women got the vote, their first actions was to close brothels and to increase the age of consent. it used to be around 12, world wide, before about 1900. ever since feminists have been working hard to increase it. spain just increased it from 12 to 16.

germany, as far as i understand has age of consent 14. note that age of consent does not mean that girls that age should have sex.

it means that it is not necessary for government to meddle in private affairs and it is up to parents to watch and educate their kids over the age of consent.

feminists also try hard to restrict porn, every possible sexual outlet. though it has been proven by serious academic peer reviewed researcher milton diamond, that prohibiting porn causes more [CodeWord124] and sex crimes.

note also:

mandatory 15 years jail for photos of legal girl friend: you can have sex with them; just don't photograph them:

http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-do...hotograph-them

+1. excellent point.

and in response to the other poster, i doubt that this "movement" is coming from middle-aged working ladies trying to suppress the younger ones. you don't really believe that do you? do you think that 18 year olds are going to protest for their right to hook?


raising the age is a societal issue. hooking isn't like other jobs, so justifying standards as such is not an appropriate comparison. you can't compare the right to hook to the right to work at mcdonalds. it involves selling an intimate part of yourself that you can never get back. it has effects down the line in terms of your personality and beliefs, as well as very real health risks. all of this on someone who has barely reached the threshold of an adult level maturity. if you think back to when you became 18, you didn't suddenly become instantly wiser. i didn't know crap about life when i was 18.

in addition, there will always be an illegal market for girls below the legal limit. we all know that. at least if the legal age is 21, then the ones who sneak by under the radar or are traffiked are still over 18.

look, i understand the logic. there are some very mature 18 years olds, and yes, some really need the money, and yes, there is an additional factor of safety when its legal. but given the unique nature of the job and its far reaching consequences, i think that an additional safety factor of 3 years is reasonable. i am not going to preach and say that its unethical at 18, but that the suggestion of raising the age to 21 makes common sense and is probably a good idea.

we make compromises in society all the time. here in the usa, the legal age to drive is often 16, but the right to drink is over 21. i think that putting in a 3 year safety factor, at the risk of offending all those 18 year olds demanding their right to hook, is a reasonable compromise.

see the links above, about the sexual trade union theory.

i just had an aging professional hit on me, she must have been way over 35. she said that young girls are very immature. when i said that maybe the minimum age in the fkk should be 25, she wholeheartedly agreed.

now, trafficking is the favorite lie of feminists, repeated for a century.

the most famous trafficking activist, that spoke in the united nations general assembly and in the white house has been proven a fraud. this was on the cover of time (or newsweek).

somaly mam: her own story is a lie. she had auditions for girls to train to tell sob stories to a gullible press and international institutions.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/06/s...f-personality/

http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-do...afficking-hoax

http://mythofsextrafficking.********.ch/ sorry this was censored out, it had the word blog followed by the word spot.

it is all lies, by feminists allied with religious zealots, to prevent men from having sex.

there are a few articles about sex trafficking hoaxes during super bowl, where they claim there are thousands and no trafficked women are found.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runnin...in_time_fo.php

http://www.villagevoice.com/2012-02-...titution-hoax/

recently britain had a several month long intense nationwide police hunt for trafficked women and found about three.

age restriction is sensitive topic because it is true to say that when you are 18 years old, you are more naive and easily drown into temptation via wrong intention of others, and in the area of prostitution so called pimp or similar character is the one who try to convince naive girls into prostitution. this always has been the problem that is why fkk was legalized and controlled to secure working girls, and also us mongers.

for us, it is better with age restriction at 18 years old, but rationally speaking, raising it to 21 do make sense to certain extent. you are your own boss of life, but you cannot expect all 18 years old girls to be mature as 21 years old. they could still be naive.

well you can not expect all 21 year olds to be as mature as 30 year olds. they still could be naive. i would say, real wisdom is only acquired by the age of 70.

i stated it before: 18-21 year old girls are far more often trafficked than girls above 21. that is the main reason. for me.

if there is a legal age for a profession. why should that be a violation of agg?

hb.

as pointed out above, almost all trafficking stories are elaborate hoaxes, a conspiracy.

if trafficking is almost non-existent, if it is a feminist hoax, then there are not more 18 to 21 year old girls trafficked.

and also, there are certainly more 21 to 45 year old girls traficked then 50 to 70 year olds. so we should only allow girls over 50.

furthermore, if we have trafficked unfree people that make jogging shoes, we do not outlaw jogging shoes altogether. or put the minimum age for jogging shoe factory workers up to 21 or 25.

also, giving talent work visas to 18 year old illegals could stop sex trafficking of girls who are not allowed to do the sex work they want to do and thus get trafficked willingly.

some other potential sex trafficking has to do with men threatening a girl's family in their home country. this needs to be fought by putting the home country in order. prostitutes are better prey for extortion rackets because they earn more then a construction helper. but it does not have anything to do with prostitution per se.

[Mr Ho]

It's going to be like 25 km from Berlin city center. Hope it will be more successful than Paradise in Saarbrcken.

HB.

Which means, if I like that new FKK in Potsdam, I just shift my base hotel in Potsdam. I guess hotel rate is cheaper in Potsdam, so that may serve my interest.

It seems it will be bigger than Artemis. It even says it will have casino. Which I do not care much as I am already gambling with girls how good their service will be in the room.

Sometimes I hit Jackpot and I get more than fkk house promised to clients. Sometimes, not. , but when I hit jackpot and make right decision choosing right girl, it is worth it.

It will even be more competition for FKk artemis, if this new fkk decides to set their entrance fee and session fee with girls cheaper than Artemis!

[Hessen Bub]

It's going to be like 25 km from Berlin city center. Hope it will be more successful than Paradise in Saarbrücken.

HB.

[Mr Ho]

Somebody must have heard your wishes! A new FKK Grand Plaza is about to open in the Potsdam area, officially the 15th of October. I highly anticipate more competition for Artemis and their high pricelevel!

http://www.fkk-sauna-clubs.de/potsda...and-plaza.html

This is good news Potsdam is not that not hard to leach, but is still far out of Berlin, but the question is that if this club is close to public train station or not? I think that may decide how convenient it would be international monger who do not want to rent car and drive in Germany.

Artemis is easy to leach both by taxi and public transport and for this reason, artemis had been real convenient to me.

However, there will be competition for Artemis, so they need to improve somethings to keep repeating customers.

Opening of new big (scale fkk has synergy affect that should lead to increase in level of girls and should put smile on our face.

[Diet Coke]

Somebody must have heard your wishes! A new FKK Grand Plaza is about to open in the Potsdam area, officially the 15th of October. I highly anticipate more competition for Artemis and their high pricelevel!

http://www.fkk-sauna-clubs.de/potsda...and-plaza.html

It will be interesting when info is available on prices. Also whether easily reached by public transport plus walking or short taxi.

[Sucker17]

Somebody must have heard your wishes! A new FKK Grand Plaza is about to open in the Potsdam area, officially the 15th of October. I highly anticipate more competition for Artemis and their high pricelevel!

http://www.fkk-sauna-clubs.de/potsda...and-plaza.html

Haha, I always thought German FKK is more like demand being stronger than supply, but it is surprising to know that they make such offers for birthday.

Berlin need bit more competition because there is just Artemis. Berlin need other big FKK club and I feel there is demand for it in Berlin considering it is one of man tourist destination in Germany and considering the messe / trade shows that takes place there in frequent basis.

[Mambomike]

No one told you this, but if you get free entry on your birthday, they line up all the girls to give you a spanking.

I will be in Frankfurt on my birthday and I just wonder which clubs give you free entry on your birthday? I know this question has been asked by others but I can't seem to find the answers for Frankfurt clubs like Oase, World, Mainhattan, Palace or Sharks. I will be in a hotel close to Mainhattan.