German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Mr Ho]

Feminist BS IMO. What happens is that older, less attractive women want to suppress younger, more attractive ones, in order to artificially drive up the price of pussy. There's much more trafficking in the housework sector (maids etc.) and in construction work. But since it doesn't directly affect the interests of the feminist sexual trade-union, it doesn't make the headlines.

Note that the minimal age for prostitution seems to be regulated by State laws, not by federal laws.

Age restriction is sensitive topic because it is true to say that when you are 18 years old, you are more naive and easily drown into temptation via wrong intention of others, and in the area of prostitution so called PIMP or similar character is the one who try to convince naive girls into prostitution. This always has been the problem that is why FKK was legalized and controlled to secure working girls, and also us mongers.

For us, it is better with age restriction at 18 years old, but rationally speaking, raising it to 21 do make sense to certain extent. You are your own boss of life, but you cannot expect all 18 years old girls to be mature as 21 years old. They could still be naive.

[XXL]

1. This could be said about any line of work, true. But in other lines of work there's less trafficking and a regulated work environment.

Feminist BS IMO. What happens is that older, less attractive women want to suppress younger, more attractive ones, in order to artificially drive up the price of pussy. There's much more trafficking in the housework sector (maids etc.) and in construction work. But since it doesn't directly affect the interests of the feminist sexual trade-union, it doesn't make the headlines.

Note that the minimal age for prostitution seems to be regulated by State laws, not by federal laws.

[SwingerLover]

If there is a legal age for a profession. Why should that be a violation of AGG?

Not for A profession, but for THIS profession. I can see no "legitimate goal" that would justify an exception based on § 10 AGG: www.gesetze-im-internet.de/agg/__10.html.

[Hessen Bub]

I stated it before: 18-21 year old girls are far more often trafficked than girls above 21. That is the main reason. For me.

If there is a legal age for a profession. Why should that be a violation of AGG?

HB.

[SwingerLover]

2. I wouldn't mind to have Flatrate sex banned.

I would! Why is it that regarding sex, flatrate should be banned, when all-you-can-eat, all-you-can-drink and all other all-inclusive and flatrate offers in any kind of businesses, from vacations to bus tickets, are allowed? Shouldn't it be up to the women and the clubs how they offer their services?

PS: Minimum age for a train driver in Germany is 21. No issue with the AGG.

Well, the AGG would of course only apply to hired personnell, not to self-employed pros. That's why I mentioned those seperately. Train driving requires special skills, that's propably the reason for the age limit, just as you can get a driver's licence only from a certain age. There's no reason for something like that that in the sex business, other than the general legal-age laws regarding sex.

Why wouldn't it be a violation of the AGG? That law was passed specifically to prevent (amongst other things) age discrimination in work-relations. Now there are suddenly plans to discriminate 18-20 year old women from working as prostitutes? Like they also discriminated BULGs and ROMs who were / are prohibited from doing Gangbangs under a certain age because of their nationality. Granted, the AGG only applies when the woman is not self-employed; I would still think that it would serve self-employed ones if they were to use it as an argumentation to support their case. The alternative for them will be to be driven into illegality again, which isn't wanted by the feministresses and "Gutmenschen" either.

[Hessen Bub]

This could be said about any girl in almost any line of work.

That's the same bullshit idea, sprung from feministresses' minds, that wants to ban flatrate sex altogether. I'm still confident that it will never happen!

There is a law in Germany (AGG) which disallows discrimination by age and sex when it comes to work contracts. So raising the minimum age for prostitutes would be in direct violation of the AGG.

1. This could be said about any line of work, true. But in other lines of work there's less trafficking and a regulated work environment.

2. I wouldn't mind to have Flatrate sex banned. Especially when I think about what happened at the Pussy Club locations and the details that showed up at the trial.

3. AGG: Prostitutes in Germany are self employed so the AGG doesn't apply. Why would it be a violation to the AGG to raise the minimum age for prostitution to 21?

HB

PS: Minimum age for a train driver in Germany is 21. No issue with the AGG.

[EastGoing]

Hypocrisy and bigotry can make much more damages than what they think or pretend to avoid. Anyone should be free to do whatever they like or need with their lives and their bodies, as long as they don't harm others, without interferences from people who have plenty of time and decent or wealthy lives.

I don't think to be wrong by "supposing" that out of german legalized clubs, the rest of the world, for instance the south east of Asia, sees under 18 girls working in streets, private flats, probably even in clubs, maybe with false documents. I would be scared to go mongering in countries like Vietnam, knowing that even a 30+ can look much younger, therefore I wouldn't know if I risk, among the rest, also possible traps.

Watch the bullshit of an european ex-prime minister with a supposed 17 year old girl. Did you see her pics? Her body? Her behaviour in a discoclub where she was working? Does she look like a poor victim? Or like a needy innocent child needing protection by social assistants? Can it be said she has been abused, if anything happened? Isn't that ridiculous?

How many girls 18- with great bodies, looking much older, can you see anywhere? And how many 18+ looking much younger, for instance when you go to a casino? Nature is nature!

How many times fellow punters have come across girls wondering their age? And if they asked they were answered 18? And maybe they were even showed papers which could be fake. Was their real worry about "hurting" them? Or more about stupid laws?

More than once in FKKs I have been told by a girl or her colleagues that she had started working much before being 18, probably in her own country. Some of them got pregnant very early in their lives, unfortunately nature, sperm, ovaries follow their own rules without bothering one month or one year more or less, so, who would feed the child?

I'm not saying that it is a good or correct thing, just that it is unavoidable.

What if a girl finishes her college and wants to go to university but doesn't have the money? She will have to wait to be 21?

Come on, life can be hard, live and let live should be the law.

As to defining "healthier conditions" the fact of working in a legalized club, with or without supposed tests, I find it ridiculous: AO clubs are legal, and I can't imagine anything less safe. I may agree about "healthier" if ANYTHING was done with condom and gloves, and without kissing nor DATYing, like many black girls working in the streets do (and even in this case there is a risk), otherwise that word is quiet out of place.

Just my opinion.

[Breadman]

But respect to all. I don't want to start a flame war. Its a controversial topic.

Not controversial at all, if you notice its always the rookies asking or bringing it up, not the veterans with hundreds of club visits under their belts. Knock on wood but I've never caught anything but there's always that risk when you pay to play.

[Manny51]

Some major FKK has in house MD and girls are regularly checked by house rule and girls can talk to in house MD if she has any physical problem whether it is STD or just a flu.

Some FKK allows girls to be sick for two days and she can stay in bed at FKK to rest, if she does not get better she has to go home to get better to avoid flu spreading and also to keep empty bed for the girls who want to come in to work.

I never heard or had any STD issue in German FKK. Have you guys heard or had any?

I think is very clean for that area.

Actually, before I visited Germany for the first time 2 years ago, I posed this question about STDs. When I asked a few people how FKKs rated as to STDs, on a scale from very low to very high risk, the few people that answered said it was in the riskier half of the spectrum. Lots of barebackers. Lots of multiple multple repeat regulars.

But respect to all. I don't want to start a flame war. Its a controversial topic. I have never had an extended trip to Germany, so I don't know most of the facts. It came up because I suddenly become aware of new, distinct venues (Partytreffs and Laufhauses) and was curious.

[SwingerLover]

If the age limit were raised, that could force many of the 18-21 year olds into illegal prostitution which might put them in a worse position than if they were allowed to work legally.

Also, we must consider that when we tell a 20 year old that she can't do this job, we are denying her opportunities. Opportunities to help her family, help her kid, pay for her schooling, etc. If the alternative is to starve to death, maybe we shouldn't be so quick to deny these opportunities on a blanket basis like this?

I totally agree with your entire report. I guess with the "starve to death", you are referring to ROMs and BULGs? Too bad that German feministresses (Is there any such thing like a male feminist?) don't give a shit about that. They rather "protect" them from the evil, evil mongers, regardless of what they should do for a living instead. I know one 22-year-old Bulgarian who doesn't even read or write her own mother tongue properly, much less the German language. So what else is she supposed to do for a living, other than spread her legs? We have enough toilet-cleaning-women in Germany already.

What you need to focus on is the Age of Majority, which among other things is the age in which they can vote, get married, enlist in the military, and participate in commercial sex activities.

Which may differ from country to country. The legal age in Germany for voting is 18, for getting married (and have non-commercial sex with anybody of same or older age) is 16 and for paysex it's 18, which makes anything about people under the age of 18 irrelevant for the purpose of this forum.

These are girls, they just finished school, they have no experience in life and get sent to work in an environment they don't know.

This could be said about any girl in almost any line of work.

Aren't there any Partytreffs / Pauschalclubs that are like 300 EURO up, but the quality of the girls are at top level with bareback options?

No. Pauschalclubs with those kind of prices would not attract enough customers to survive for more than a couple of months. Guys who are willing to spend that amount of money usually do it in an FKK- or Saunaclub or a huge brothel like Pascha in Cologne.

If you are into gangbang, you might find that "girls are at top level with bareback options" at some of the flatrate venues from my AO-maps, and for less than half that kind of money. Of course you will be together with anywhere from 4 to 80 guys at such an event.

3. Any double penetration or that off limits?

Despite UltraHappy's very funny reply, I'm trying to take this question seriously. But first I would require a definition of what YOU understand as "double penetration". I think you're talking about a "Sandwich", meaning one dick in the pussy and one in the ass at the same time. (Or a double-vaginal, with 2 dicks in the same pussy at the same time?) Well, for both you will first need another guy who plays along. But I don't think there will be any problem finding a girl at a P4 P place, provided she does anal at all. Some might take a sur-charge.

Article about possible increase in minimum age of prostitutes in Germany from 18 to 21, amongst other things.

That's the same bullshit idea, sprung from feministresses' minds, that wants to ban flatrate sex altogether. I'm still confident that it will never happen!

There is a law in Germany (AGG) which disallows discrimination by age and sex when it comes to work contracts. So raising the minimum age for prositutes would be in direct violation of the AGG. (If anything the age limit would have to be lowered to 16, since 16-year-olds are allowed to work in almost every other job as well. And for the record: I personally think that 18 is young enough to work as a pro! But I still would, in accordance with the AGG, defend the right of a 16-year-old to work as a prostitute if she wants to, as long as she can also get exploited by working at a super-market at that same age in accordance to the laws.).

As for those who work as "freelancers": 18-year-olds are allowed to run a business, so why shouldn't they be allowed to work as self-employed prostitutes? Raising the age limit to 21 is discriminatory, and such a law would be invalidated by the first law suit an 18-year-old prostitute would file against it.

[Hessen Bub]

That's news to me. I seem to remember hearing that health checks were legally required in Germany, but unevenly enforced.

Some clubs, apartments or Laufhäuser may require the girls to take a health check before they start at that place and then on a regular base. But there are NO legal requirements for health checks in Germany.

HB.

[Mr Ho]

That's news to me. I seem to remember hearing that health checks were legally required in Germany, but unevenly enforced.

Some major FKK has in house MD and girls are regularly checked by house rule and girls can talk to in house MD if she has any physical problem whether it is STD or just a flu.

Some FKK allows girls to be sick for two days and she can stay in bed at FKK to rest, if she does not get better she has to go home to get better to avoid flu spreading and also to keep empty bed for the girls who want to come in to work.

I never heard or had any STD issue in German FKK. Have you guys heard or had any?

I think is very clean for that area.

[Manny51]

There are no mandatory STD checks in Germany, in Laufhaus or otherwise. You will have to go to Austria if you want this.

That's news to me. I seem to remember hearing that health checks were legally required in Germany, but unevenly enforced.

[Mr Ho]

In Mexico LOL! Bub had his fun, but now that he's getting older everybody else should be denied the delights of the 18 year-olds? Strikes me as rather selfish. The age of full consent must remain at 18. We need to stop these incursions from the feminist "moralists" seeking to put a damper on what consenting men and women choose to do between themselves.

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Well I think German FKK is good as it already is, only improvement I ask is insane up sell and set fixed menu as club promised on girls. As that is what they agree to work for (DFK etc.), I occasionally meet some girls who just do not DFK and that really get on my nerve. But I must admit, recent FKK becoming more up sell frequent place, but more hardcore sessions is available by adding extra euros.

Even without extra euro. Sometimes it really scare a bit and amuse me very much to sometimes meet girls who can take and seems to me want to have such a strong anal sex. I mean sometimes I begin to scare that if I do harder. Her anal will be ripped. It is amazing what women's body can do. Got to learn from woodman. But FKK has real talent sometimes.

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[Wolvenvacht]

Wow, thanks for the link! That's like a hidden part of the forum that surprises you when you open it!

Any particular partytreffs that you recommend?

I have visited over the years Partytreff Xanten a number of times and always had a good time there.

Of course, as everywhere, YMMV! Much also depends on the actual line-up. Some days you'll find several girls to your liking, on other days the line-up might be "poorer" for you (but perhaps better for someone else). In general that also applies to saunaclubs. Once I visited FKK Babylon. They had one black girl there, which I took to the room three times. None of the other girls appealed to me. Yet I'm sure many other visitors found the East European available girls really good as they were in great demand.