German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Hessen Bub]

The owner / managing director of Palace, Paradise etc. Is Jürgen Rudloff. Info from the website:

P & I Paradise Island Entertainment Betriebsgesellschaft mbH

Amtsgericht Stuttgart HRB 72572.

Vertretungsberechtigter Geschäftsführer: Rainer Mühlbauer

There's a group of investors behind them.

http://www.the-paradise.de/images/upload/press/92e1094848/normal/Paradise_Praesentation.pdf

HB

[Hessen Bub]

What is this article on abolishing flat rate in German brothel?

Flat rate meaning entry fee and have sex as much as client want in brothel flat rate?

http://money.msn.com/business-news/a...02&id=17155777

That's what it means. There's still flat rate (Pauschal) clubs in Germany. Pussy Club in Fellbach was closed a few years ago, manager (female) went to prison.

HB

[Hessen Bub]

Hessen how is the pricing there hessen prices or nrw prives or different prices?

How are the girls in terms of line up and service?

The club's not open yet. I'd guess pricing structure will be the same as in Hessen, see other FKK in Saarland.

HB

[Pentire]

Guy's I've only ever been to two FKK's & in both alcohol was so damn expensive. Do any of the top clubs have alcohol or at the very least draught beer included as part of the entry fee.

If so please name them as I do enjoy a couple of beers before and after bedroom cardio combat with these fit girlies.

[Mr Ho]

Please tell me more about this. I met a girl in a club and next time I got back I think I will meet with her outside the club to just to hangout and possible free sex. I've been offered to hangout outside the club with another girl, but declined as I'm not really into working girls to hang out, but for free sex I don't mind. LOL.

There are some videos of this dude when he first opened up Paradise in Stuttgart, I think it's on youtube. He may have some investors backing him up. I don't know how much money would flow if the business is GT level. 200 entries a day? That's 12, 000 a day. 4.38 million a year. I wonder how much the the staff costs? Lets say there are 10 staff at 30k a year. That's. 3 mil. Still 4. 08 left over, although small amount would be taken out for food, beer and supplies. It's not bad if a new club would cost close to 4mil to start up. You can pay it off quickly given the business is good.

Well I have two occasions when I was offered to meet outside and one of which I was invited to her nation. I cannot go all open (name, her origin etc) on this one as I care for girls privacy, but one of them was eGrman girl who also worked as escort agency. I did my usual long hours with her like I do when I find the one in FKK (I find the one then I go for long hours session with her everyday for few days) , she liked me and a day before I leave she gave me her e-mail adress (not mobile number though) , so when I got back to Japan, I wrote to her and for next visit I got fixed price date with her for one week. I paid 3000euro for whole one week in Berlin and she stayed with me for whole one week in my hotel room and she showed me around berlin area, ate together and sex anytime I wanted was included in the price. I did not do bareback as I was afraid of std. She was german from cologne but lived in berlin. This was two years ago. I guess it is private escort service. 3000euro I paid was worth it for me as I had morning sex you know wake up N fuck style and it was real GFE. I also gave her 400euro in the airport when I flew back so it was actually 3400euro. Yes I know I can fuck like 5o something time in fkk for this price, but sometimes I want intense session and outside sex in public places, well hidden public places.

Another one was I was invited to her nation, and she seemed serious about it then toward the end of my trip she began to dislike me (I think) due to my long hours woodman style escalation. I mean whatta heck. 5days everyday 4hours man, I felt like it is a job to fuck her too and I had to escalate the session to make it interesting for me as a client. Then I contacted her to e-mail she gave me but she did not write me back so far. This one was this year, I will see if she write me back but I wrote her two months ago then no reply so far so I am hopeless on this one. Yes this one was the one I was writing about last night on this forum LOL I was hoping to go to her country and I would go even thinking of the risk, but no reply so what I can do? Well in the end I did her good during my 5days of woodman style so either way we both win LOL But I think I stop doing too much of long session with girls as it get too intense on both end in most dirty but beautiful way LOL Please note that beside my escalation I am nice to girls to try to make her comfortable as I can, so that is a plus. My escalation is definitely minus LOL First German girl was sweet but more of sponge for my escalation she could take it and as she said "she loves it" LOL so it was all good, I mean we discuss and agree that German girls are most kinky dirty girls in fkk, we chat this one with you I think and we both feel the same. I mean most dirtiest session and hardcore session I had in fkk was with German girls and oddly enough Romanians, as many as there are in fkk, I do not remember having intense crazy session with Romanian girls. Is it just me or? I always have the feeling that Romanians like more normal sex, Germans love the dirty hard ones. I mean even with anal, only German girls that tells me do it harder and harder I sometimes get scared that I will rip her asshole LOL.

Well back to seeing fkk girls outside. I went to FKK in Germany now for I think 4 th year now and this meeting outside offer happened to me on second visit and on this visit (4th) visit, so on ratio it happen to me every two years, so next one will be in year 2015? Also it is like that with line up, if one year was good next one is not good then it is good year next. Is it coincidence? I always wonder what is best time to go and there is none, because I went once in July which is known to be bad time for line up, for me it was not at all, it was fantastic line up. BUT when I went in may which is consider to be good time to go for line up as girls want to begin to make last money before she go home for summer holiday, but that May I went was so bad was line up. So I think there is no set time to go for line up and purely a luck I think. Am I right on this one?

As for fkk business, I think it is hard business to get it licensed as I guess you need strong contact in police and also in government. Also profit wise I think it is hard to break even, I say this because the investment for big venue like artemis was like 4. 8million euro and considering the size of the venue and possible profitability it is good investment and not that much of money for what it is, but no big hedgefund or porn companies or related do not invest in fkk business, there must be a reason for this beside social concern, I think it is BEP being too hard to leach and fkk is not that lucrative business as it may seems so hard to make good stable profit. Am I right on this one? I mean 4. 8million euro is not big investment for venue like artemis and as for golden time fkk it must be cheaper like 2million investment. What do you think about fkk business in Germany? No corporation do it as it is hard to make profit. But it is best business model there are for mongering as before I discover German fkk, I have experience in many different areas of world for paying for sex, but german fkk is most prompt and structured one I have ever come across, also protected by government, so there must be reason why there are still only limited numbers of fkks in Germnay I mean it is possible to count all of them and it is not that big of investment for what it is. So I think it is hard to license (even you have money and clean criminal record they just won't let you without prompt connection etc?) and also hard to get the profit. Am I right on this one?

[YamaYama0519]

Since a prostitute is an independent contractor, they have the right to decide their own 'price' by themselves. The flat rate policy in FKK is therefore against this thought.

[Mr Ho]

This is for the guys who fly from Germany to Bangkok. I'm curious what the best rates and times of year had the best airfare?

Man, if you live in Germany, why do you fly to Bangkok for sex LOL aint FKK enough for you? LOL

Well I understand if you like Asian girls more then Bangkok or Manila is place to be in Asia and arguably Macau if you like some quality. But I would say for Asian girls lover I recommend Bangkok it is crazy for that, but please do not do bareback as it is dangerous in aspect of std in Thailand. I am more into white girl looking asian so I like manila more for that in asia, but man central europe is sexual paradise for white girl hunter like me LOL.

[PussyLiccker]

I agree with you that fkk is not just money as I did have few occasions where I met girls outside fkk and also I got more than I paid for.

Please tell me more about this. I met a girl in a club and next time I got back I think I will meet with her outside the club to just to hangout and possible free sex. I've been offered to hangout outside the club with another girl, but declined as I'm not really into working girls to hang out, but for free sex I don't mind. LOL.

About new fkk, I think the owners of this new club is Ralph something no? How did he manage to open so many fkk in 2 countries (Austria and Germany) I mean it must be hard to get it licensed with political / police contacts and all that? Also investment is not as big as I thought, but I presume it must be hard to make profitable fkk busines than it looks. As far as I see the business model it is like spa style hotel business right? But instead of spa service, they offer sex and girls actually sleep there, guys just stay there. Also I found that fkk is sometimes owned in germany with foreign national (with German passport?) why is that? Why would German government license fkk to foreign investor or owner?

There are some videos of this dude when he first opened up Paradise in Stuttgart, I think it's on youtube. He may have some investors backing him up. I don't know how much money would flow if the business is GT level. 200 entries a day? That's 12,000 a day. 4.38 million a year. I wonder how much the the staff costs? Lets say there are 10 staff at 30k a year. that's .3 mil. Still 4.08 left over, although small amount would be taken out for food, beer and supplies. It's not bad if a new club would cost close to 4mil to start up. You can pay it off quickly given the business is good.

[Breadman]

This is for the guys who fly from Germany to Bangkok. I'm curious what the best rates and times of year had the best airfare?

[Mr Ho]

What is this article on abolishing flat rate in German brothel?

Flat rate meaning set rate like 60euro for 30min 100 for anal etc way of flat rate.

Or

Flat rate meaning entry fee and have sex as much as client want in brothel flat rate?

http://money.msn.com/business-news/a...02&id=17155777

[Mr Ho]

Man, I didn't think girls would get tired of men throwing Euros at them. It's kinda laughable though. 4 hours is 480e and who know what other services you ordered on the menu. It could be that she thought she struck gold in the beginning, but the type of sex she probably did not like, and she couldn't take it any more. LOL. I guess for some girls it's not all about the money, sex has to be in a fashion they like.

Expand on getting more and more Woodman style (I'm guessing she doesn't like this style. LOL.). I would think it involves anal. Woodman is a disgusting hairy bastard with tiny penis, and his castings series I liked, but his sex is a bit crude compared to his movies.

I guess you would demand more from her as time went on. Anyway, that's the point of visiting FKK, you live your fetishes and etc. If a girl seems willing to do more, it makes it that much better IMO. I don't force it on them though, I see how they react first.

Yeah, I mean obviously, when I take girl for more hours like that, my demand get escalated as days go by, so I think when it became like routine of Woodman style casting. After few days she begin to get tired of the session LOL Me too LOL I remember waking up in my hotel room each morning during that period feeling like it is a job to go and do her for 4hours again today, it is just that it is job that I pay money to do LOL

Me too, I ask girls first and if she does not want to do it I don't force on girl, but sometimes in fkk with some girls, you have to be pushy to get things done as they do have their way. Most girls even at the beginning they say no to do certain fetish, she begins to open up as you go with her several time or you begin to get to know her. I agree with you that fkk is not just money as I did have few occasions where I met girls outside fkk and also I got more than I paid for. Some fkk girls are real good hearted even after many hard years of work in fkk, I respect their strength for that as it is not easy job.

When I go to fkk I go with spirit of woodman style but I do not say shit that Woodman say to the girls LOL I do not have that kind of fetish and if I say some of things he say to girls in FKK, there maybe time girls will get angry LOL but I do go similar style after I get to know girls and I ask her. I mean Woodman's style is exactly the sex girls in FKK do not want as their pussy is their money machine and they do not want any client to destroy that because they cannot work after if pussy is damaged. So I always ask, I mean I am there for sex but it is better we (girls and clients) both enjoy the time then session could get better and better.

About new FKK, I think the owners of this new club is Ralph something no? How did he manage to open so many FKKs in 2 countries (Austria and Germany) I mean it must be hard to get it licensed with political / police contacts and all that? Also investment is not as big as I thought, but I presume it must be hard to make profitable FKK busines than it looks. As far as I see the business model it is like spa style hotel business right? But instead of spa service, they offer sex and girls actually sleep there, guys just stay there. Also I found that fkk is sometimes owned in germany with foreign national (with German passport?) why is that? Why would German government license FKK to foreign investor or owner?

[CaptCabins]

It's about 200km from Frankfurt, in Saarbrücken, close to Luxemburg and France. Good choice with the new laws around prostitution in France. Same owners as Palace (Frankfurt) , Mystic (Salzburg) and Paradise (Stuttgart). I doubt it will be worth a long trip. If you are in the area. Try it out. If you are in Hessen or NRW. No need to drive down there. Just my opinion.

HB

Hessen how is the pricing there hessen prices or nrw prives or different prices?

How are the girls in terms of line up and service?

[PussyLiccker]

It's about 200km from Frankfurt, in Saarbrücken, close to Luxemburg and France. Good choice with the new laws around prostitution in France. Same owners as Palace (Frankfurt) , Mystic (Salzburg) and Paradise (Stuttgart). I doubt it will be worth a long trip. If you are in the area. Try it out. If you are in Hessen or NRW. No need to drive down there. Just my opinion.

HB

Maybe also of Paradise of Austria. They have similar renovations as Paradise of Stuttgart and Palace. http://www.the-paradise.at/

[Banana Boi]

Thanks for the article, HB.

The article says Paradise Island is scheduled to open Jan. 2014 (not late 2014 as Mr. Ho anticipated). It will take any club some time to build momentum slowly gaining more girls and customers. Take Sharks for example. I believe Sharks opened in Summer. 2011 and it was inconsistent at first and it's taken 2 years to build a reputation as a consistently solid club.

[Hessen Bub]

Apparently the construction already began. So if we are lucky it will be open in late 2014, but again. It is far from big cities. Closest city is frankfurt?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-Germany.html

It's about 200km from Frankfurt, in Saarbrücken, close to Luxemburg and France. Good choice with the new laws around prostitution in France. Same owners as Palace (Frankfurt), Mystic (Salzburg) and Paradise (Stuttgart). I doubt it will be worth a long trip. If you are in the area. Try it out. If you are in Hessen or NRW. No need to drive down there. Just my opinion.

HB