German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Jymondor]

We always worry about STD. But on case to case base I see in the clubs mongers with clearly visible skin problems. Yesterday in Villa Venus I saw the guy with horrible spots looking like open wounds.

I am wondering can the girls to refuse to go to the room because of visible skin diseases?

It there any fear that this is contagious and can be transmitted via girls skin?

Did anybody noted any connection between new skin problem and FKK visit?

[UltraHappy]

So, one of my Romanian FKK wives recently returned to Germany after being out of the country awhile. Interestingly, she was turned away from almost every single big club she called or visited. They all said the same thing "Too many Romanians, no beds left."

She doesn't have her "papers" and most clubs it seems won't take girls without papers (or maybe they're just using that as an excuse to turn away the Romanian girls?). It seems that getting papers is difficult for an independent girl without a residential address.

I've never understood the concept of "too many Romanian girls." You can never have too many! The more the merrier I say.

So, I don't know if this is more of an oversupply problem or more just a paperwork problem. Or maybe both?

If someone built more FKKs, it seems that it wouldn't be a problem to fill them up with girls, especially if you helped them get their papers. Maybe the problem is a lack of customers in the current economic client that is causing this pressure to turn away the working girls? It's hard to imagine that there's a lack of horny guys out there but maybe that is the case?

But if these clubs wouldn't turn away these girls, then there would be an oversupply of girls which I would think would have an impact on pushing prices down, which we would all be in favor of. But that's not what is happening. Instead, it seems that the clubs are creating an artificial scarcity of working girls by turning them away instead of building more capacity (for example, more beds and helping them get papers).

Thoughts?

[Angus Magee]

I was wondering if anyone ever did a COF at any of the Frankfurt FKKs (or elsewhere with a Frankfurt WG)? Was it difficult to find, and did it go smoothly?

COF is a tricky thing. It is the main stay of porn, guys see it and thus want to do it. Who knows why really because a good CIM is way more satisfying. Generally to pull COF off you have to wank yourself to finish and aim well. As with many of the perverted things we mongers want the girl are willing to do it for cash (some of them any way) but don't really enjoy it. I believe there are girls who do like it but truthfully they are few and far between. So they tend to dodge at the last minute or at least flinch. I think it is an natural reaction to suddenly having a load of cum flying through the air at your face. Also COF is a messy business and an FKK girl at least really does not want to get all that jizz in her hair or her carefully applied make up.

So summing up-yes you can find a girl who will take your €50 (or whatever she asks for) but it is likely to be not quite so gratifying as it looks in the porno. Also keep in mind that the porno guys and girls are professionals and make something look easy that actually takes a bit of skill and practice. Myself I found a girl who liked it, was good at it and did not charge above and beyond the standarg CIM price. I did it a couple of time and now the whole thing has lost its' magic. I would much rather find a girl who knows how to really finish a good BJ.

AM

[UltraHappy]

I've often wondered why Poland and Hungary seem underrepresented in the FKKs. Yes, they are there but in way less numbers than the Romanians. I often wonder if this is due to differences in the economics of the countries or other factors.

Maybe the FKK "recruiting and marketing network" is just that much more developed in Romania than these other countries? Or maybe there is just that much difference in the economics of Romania and these other countries?

It also seems to me that there were more Hungarians in the clubs in 2011 than there are now. Maybe that's my imagination but I hardly ever meet any Hungarians now except once in a blue moon.

[JunkJock]

I was wondering if anyone ever did a COF at any of the Frankfurt FKKs (or elsewhere with a Frankfurt WG)? Was it difficult to find, and did it go smoothly?

[PunterWanderer]

If I may perhaps have a final word about it in this thread because I started it here and I think I may have been misunderstood quite a bit and there do not appear to be a lot of reports or questions at present that I would disrupt.

But I perfectly agree with the ever present thread police Rocketboy that this is nothing specific to Artemis and therefore does not belong into this thread. So I would encourage anyone who wants to answer the following to do so in the lounge thread or via PM.

I did certainly not think about maybe starting a rumour or whatever that means. But the poster Tosha seemed a bit overly optimistic that the current situation would stay on like for a long time. IMO this is very unlikely for several reasons. About the last thing that I had in mind was radical change in the law, one that would outlaw FKKs or prostitution in general. I perfectly agree that this is highly unlikely over the short term at least. But you have to see several things:

First, the mongering economy is a very dynamic one. Say, ten years ago, Germany was far from a mongering paradise, it was a mediocre destination at best, maybe there were already a few good corners, but these were not known to very many. The mongering paradises of that time were places like maybe Brazil or the Czech Republic. These have changed for the worse now for various reasons, without drastic changes in the law.

On how things may change, first look at the current situation. The current paradisic conditions (at least if you don't look too much behind the scenes) are mainly fuelled by the never ending influx of new talent from Romania and Bulgaria. They have led to the current boom of FKKs / sauna clubs in D with many new clubs opening or having enlargements of their clubs. If you would take these girls out of the equation you would have a dramatic bust.

How that may occur you just need to look at one neighboring country, the Netherlands. Although Germans and Dutch don't like to hear that, they are very similar in many respects. Quite similar origins and culture in many respects, size of the economy, social systems, wealth that is available to spend. Unsurprisingly they have quite similar laws on prostitution. Nevertheless the German FKK / sauna club economy is booming at present (100 clubs or more all over the country) , the Dutch is not (2 clubs on the German border). What is different? I'm not a lawyer or legal expert, so please correct me if I'm wrong but apparently all they do differently is they make it a bit harder for foreigners (and locals) to obtain the necessary permits. Whereas in Germany it's very easy and the paperwork is often taken care of to a large extent by the 'managers' in the Netherlands you have to make an effort. This is not much of a hindrance to locals and girls living in Germany, who have some language skills and know the lay of the land, but a big hindrance to the influx of ROM / BUL girls who do not speak the language and are often lured into the business by false promises at best and threats and violence at worst anyway.

So it doesn't take a lot to change the landscape of this business quite a bit and adding to that the awareness that there are two essentially third world countries within the EU and that this causes a lot of social problems is rapidly increasing within the general population, also because this is not limited to prostitution in any way, there are also many other branches of business affected. And you have to see that the profitmakers of the current situation are not exactly the girls, they are the mongers, the club owners, and of course the managers and the organized crime behind it. And awareness of that is increasing in the general population too, especially with the recent surge in violence between biker clubs.

And you have to see, if they would change a few regulations on that, there would be no big outcry. The guys who are going to stand up to the authorities, saying hey this is hurting me, give me my brothel back as I know it, they are not there in sufficient numbers for well-known reasons. Some brothel owners may complain but they cannot form noteworthy lobby pressure.

There are also a few other points I could mention like the efforts of EU harmonization of prostitution laws and regulations also in order to fight criminal gangs and the spread of prostitution but this is probably further down the road.

So there is nothing imminent and to repeat I do think there is going to be a big change soon, but to think the current 'paradisic conditions' will stay on forever is quite optimistic. The current situation formed because of a few lucky coincidences, if you will, not because German society embraced prostitution. Far from that, and a large majority would like to change some of that rather sooner than later. What the mongering paradises of ten or twenty years from now will be, nobody knows, but probably not same as the ones now, at least if you ignore some third world countries which are less dynamic.

That's what I had in mind when I thought the enthusiasm of poster Tosha should maybe be curbed a little bit.

I take AM and others respectable fellows' advice. I took the liberty of quoting the interesting post of Neutron Flux, in order to stay on topic. Here the original:

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...=1#post1403659

I basically agree with NF, especially considering the role of the two (at the moment) poorest countries in EU. Romania and Bulgaria. To provide more or less the 85% of the FFK's (wo) manpower in our beloved FKKs. This incessant demand is supplied mostly by rumenian girls. The average may increase in other less importants FKKs out off the beaten track, for obvious reasons.

NF has effectively noticed as in the in neighboring Netherland, where there are some restrictions to the Schengen's Treaty for workers from Romania and Bulgaria (what a coincidence) , there are only two FKKs in the whole national territory. And also in Netherlands there are prostitution's laws and regulations.

For these two countries (Romania and Bulgaria) have been reintroduced controls, and now also Britain reintroduce it. Not for nothing, the only two FKKs in Netherlands, as far as I know, are on the german border, with the girls that may be transboundary commuter. One is the YinYang of Roermond, and the other, honestly, I don't know.

Instead, in Germany there is much more freedom to move and to work for all the people from communitarian countries.

The question is: for how much longer?

I mean, this crisis doesn't seem to be temporary, and looks like a sort of contagion. Shall Germany able to remain immune? If yes, for how long?

So the problem in the future could be a a reduction of visas entry, a turn of the screw on immigration questions, less work and less opportunities, reduction of economic means and a thigtening on immigration, maybe to follow the public opinion.

Not to mention the anti-prostitution moralistic wings which is blowing now in Europe: take Scandinavian draconian laws against mongerers as an example, also Holland's governement says something about the punishment of mongerers, luckily never turned from words to actions. Are only small signs, but we have to pay attention.

Of course, long life to Germany, the Promised Land, and we hope that anything going to happen. But.

Sorry for my poor english

[Angus Magee]

The current idyllic situation in Germany with regard to prostitution will change for the worse over the next few years as was posited in the Artemis thread here.

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...=1#post1402255

Discuss, disagree, argue and generally beat the subject into the ground like a dead horse.

None of us really know do we. All I know is I better get laid soon. Easter is coming but Angus isn't.

AM

[Apache7633]

In Germany girls may or may not be tested: often it is a personal choice for them, always it is officially their choice as they are officially self-employed. Even if they are tested monthly there is a time lag between initial infection and showing up positive in tests (as Trans Atlantic has said). You need to live with the risk and consequences. The odds are against you having picked up anything. The issue is whether you are a gambling man or not. Don't panic. However nobody here can give you any re-assurance so you just need to get on and deal with it I'm afraid

I guess you are right, thanks anyway for the advise. Never never never again in my life I'd take that risk, assuming that I live to see another day.

[Free Dude]

Beer is free in Panthera.

[EastGoing]

I suspected it! No competitors, big catchment area and many bloody tourists! Well, good I broke the ice in Artemis, I'll appreheciate more what the rest-of-country-cheaper-clubs will have to offer me. I have been to several countries in my past, touching 4 continents, but never spent time in Germany, even if, when I used to travel, all this paradise was not set up yet. Now I'm afraid that in the future I might have to ask Jackson if I can switch my nickname to "Germanygoing".

Indi, I understand your point, but if you want to spend all the money you have in your pocket (regardlessly of your real possibilities) , say 260 euros, in Artemis you'll get entrance and 3x30 mins sessions without extras, and without a simple beer. How many sessions can you afford with that much in, choose one, say Haus-Panthera? Without counting unnecessary beers, you still can walk back to hotel with empty pockets, but you got much more, basically many more sessions. Since I can't make comparisons yet, I assume that the line-ups will be anyway worth the effort, if not at level with Artemis.

Happy mongering to all!

[Yakob]

After making my debut in a FKK some 10 days ago, in Artemis, I'm getting interested into them and planning to visit some others. I wrote in my post that I found "boring" to stay a long time there, especially if one is alone. I thought more or less FKK were all the same. After a bit of studying about the NRW area, I can change my statement: "boring" applies to Artemis, which, as to my knowledges of the moment, is different, maybe because in its area it has no competitors in its business (I don't think la-folie can be taken into account). In NRW I'm reading about tv, live events and, most important, wi-fi! I may go to Living Room in Kaarst or Dolce Vita in Dusseldorf and report Live! Got to do it! Also, no sky rocket prices down there: forget entrance 80, CIM 50, 30mins sessions 60euros and along like that. So, why this difference? What is escaping me?

Competition, higher overheads in the City and a clientele that management think can afford it.

[Indi Companion]

After making my debut in a FKK some 10 days ago, in Artemis, I'm getting interested into them and planning to visit some others. I wrote in my post that I found "boring" to stay a long time there, especially if one is alone. I thought more or less FKK were all the same. After a bit of studying about the NRW area, I can change my statement: "boring" applies to Artemis, which, as to my knowledges of the moment, is different, maybe because in its area it has no competitors in its business (I don't think la-folie can be taken into account). In NRW I'm reading about tv, live events and, most important, wi-fi! I may go to Living Room in Kaarst or Dolce Vita in Dusseldorf and report Live! Got to do it! Also, no sky rocket prices down there: forget entrance 80, CIM 50, 30mins sessions 60euros and along like that. So, why this difference? What is escaping me?

Different Laender, different prices and price structure.

After a long while you will be doing the hobby, maybe you will come to the same conclusion I came, doesn't matter where I am, I finish spending almost always the same money because I started giving myself a budget and started sticking to it. Fortunately, over the years, I was lucky enough to be able to increase my budget. When I started I was worried when I got up to 250€ per day including entry, now I can afford something more but I usually make sure that if I feel fit I spend it all, notwithstanding where I am!

[Tjohoo]

In NRW I'm reading about tv, live events and, most important, wi-fi! Got to do it! Also, no sky rocket prices down there: forget entrance 80, CIM 50, 30mins sessions 60euros and along like that. So, why this difference? What is escaping me?

Absolutely nothing is escaping you!

If Artemis was situated in NRW and still charged their prices the club would be almost empty I guess.

T

[Banana Boi]

Any of these Dusseldorf messe large enough to noticeably increase the number of guys and entry fee at Magnum?

http://www.messe-duesseldorf.de/uptodate/cipp/uptodate/pub2/md_events,menu,main.md_events.2013/lang,e

[EastGoing]

After making my debut in a FKK some 10 days ago, in Artemis, I'm getting interested into them and planning to visit some others. I wrote in my post that I found "boring" to stay a long time there, especially if one is alone. I thought more or less FKK were all the same. After a bit of studying about the NRW area, I can change my statement: "boring" applies to Artemis, which, as to my knowledges of the moment, is different, maybe because in its area it has no competitors in its business (I don't think la-folie can be taken into account). In NRW I'm reading about tv, live events and, most important, wi-fi! I may go to Living Room in Kaarst or Dolce Vita in Dusseldorf and report Live! Got to do it! Also, no sky rocket prices down there: forget entrance 80, CIM 50, 30mins sessions 60euros and along like that. So, why this difference? What is escaping me?