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[Yakob]

Dear Santa Claus,

While we're on the topic of mementos Santa, I would also like to see an fkk that offers a "premium" option to film your own porno for personal use where a small list of willing girls volunteer to make some porno with the guests for some generous additional fee and where we get to take home a short 20 minute video of ourselves in action with the girl to enjoy at home. I'd shell out some serious coin for that.

Just pick the girl you like and ask to film your session. Why pay for it?

The rooms are usually badly lit though. That is the perrenial problem. Better in day light in summer.

[Hessen Bub]

Hessen Bub pointed out in an earlier post:

Unfortunately, amazon. De won't ship these things to the States. Americans probably couldn't handle their sheer awesomeness. I bet the clubs could make some extra cash just by selling more premium versions of its bathrobes and towels. Heck, they could even sell other little mementos / souvenirs

Go to amazon. Com and search for "Saunakilt".

HB

[CaptCabin]

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[Jimmy Boy 99]

If a girl were to spring a 50/50 on me at 28 minutes I would consider this to be sharp practice and automatically end the session.

If you haven't discussed with her that you want or might want an hour session, I think the girl's natural assumption is that you want a half-hour session, so why is there a need for her to say what she charges for the 2nd half hour? If you wait till the 28th minute to say you want to extend, she is perfectly in her rights to charge her rate and for you to negotiate a deal (as discussed in a previous post) or accept / decline to extend at her rate.

The problem with not discussing up front her hourly rate is that if you pace the session as if you were going to be there an hour and then end it because you won't pay her rate for the 2nd half hour, you may not have had as much actual sex, because of the slower pace and peripheral activities, as you would have had if you knew it was going to be a half-hour session.

A way to avoid the problem noted in a previous post of giving the girl the idea to charge more than the standard rate is to tell her that you pay 75 Euro for the hour. This way she knows you know the rate and can decide to accept it or not. If she charges more, she will tell you and then you can negotiate, accept, or decline without the pressure of a hard-on or wanting to come influencing your decision. The girl may also be more amenable to accepting the standard rate before doing the session because if you terminate during the session she will only lose the 25 Euro for the 2nd half-hour while if you decline to go with her because of her hourly rate, she will lose 75 Euro, which is presumably a more significant amount to her.

If the girl insists on a 100 Euro for the hour, and you must have an hour with her, you can also do two separate half hour sessions, thus maintaining the standard rates, while giving the girl what she wants. This approach gives you the option of deciding whether to do the second session (in case someone better comes along) , as well having more stamina for the second half-hour, since you will have rested in between the sessions. I did this at VV with two girls and it worked out better than doing the hour all at once because of the rest period in between.

[Samplerr]

While we're on the topic of mementos Santa, I would also like to see an fkk that offers a "premium" option to film your own porno for personal use where a small list of willing girls volunteer to make some porno with the guests for some generous additional fee and where we get to take home a short 20 minute video of ourselves in action with the girl to enjoy at home. I'd shell out some serious coin for that.

You could find the filming option at various in-call clubs in Germany, Switzerland and Austria. Often the clubs that have porn actresses working there, like this place.

http://meine-perlen.com/en/preise/

[UltraHappy]

Dear Santa Claus,

Please bring Oase some wifi (and if not wifi, please Santa, please put a cell tower closer to Oase. The cell phone signals in Oase really suck almost everywhere inside).

Please bring Captain Cabin a cure for his ding dong (and to all the Captain Cabins out there too while we're at it).

Please bring more public sex to all of the non-Oase clubs.

Please send all of the club owners someone to advise them about merchandising. I remember one fkk that sold bathrobes and towels. I never went back to that club again (because it totally sucks and is infested with sharks. Yes, I am talking about Palace) , but I wonder why more clubs don't sell merchandise? If anything, they should consider selling these super sweet towels with pockets that Hessen Bub pointed out in an earlier post:

Here's one:

http://www.amazon.de/Nebulus-Herren-...5226204&sr=8-2

HB

Unfortunately, amazon. De won't ship these things to the States. Americans probably couldn't handle their sheer awesomeness. I bet the clubs could make some extra cash just by selling more premium versions of its bathrobes and towels. Heck, they could even sell other little mementos / souvenirs.

While we're on the topic of mementos Santa, I would also like to see an fkk that offers a "premium" option to film your own porno for personal use where a small list of willing girls volunteer to make some porno with the guests for some generous additional fee and where we get to take home a short 20 minute video of ourselves in action with the girl to enjoy at home. I'd shell out some serious coin for that.

But above all Santa, please bring us more Romanians! Beautiful little Romanians!

[Optimist]

Well said. I'm actually probably the worst one to opine on this topic as I think too often let my little-guy do the thinking for me. I need to remember that there are plenty of other girls. I too often get way too attached to this girl or that girl and it screws me up.

I need to constantly remind myself of Hessen Bub's words of wisdom,"just fuck & forget."

I've even had one girl tell me that I need to be strong with the other girls and not let them manipulate me so much. You know if the girls are telling me this, I'm probably doing things all wrong.

Don't worry. It happens to all of us. As HB knows I am one of the worst at getting attached and screwed up. The important thing is to try to be aware of what is happening and why you are getting attached (what issues are you working out etc.)

Be aware that everything in a club may or may not be as it seems. If a girl is telling you that other girls are manipulating you, it could be that she has a heart of gold, or it could be that she is manipulating you (unconsciously or not) herself, or a mixture of the two. It may not be that you are doing things wrong. It may be you are just a nice guy.

[UltraHappy]

Personally I like to check the rate first. This indicates to the girl that you are not a rookie and gives you the chance to resist the higher prices before you succumb to her charms in the room. If a girl were to spring a 50/50 on me at 28 minutes I would consider this to be sharp practice and automatically end the session.

As for inviting a girl to justify why she is worth more than the 50/25. I did this once and she told me (quite correctly) why she was better than the other girls. On this basis, to my mind, she was worth a payment of 200 an hour at least. LOL. However my finances did not permit such a payment.

Remember that you are in charge and that there are plenty of other girls. The best approach cannot be formulated but must come out of confidence

Well said. I'm actually probably the worst one to opine on this topic as I think too often let my little-guy do the thinking for me. I need to remember that there are plenty of other girls. I too often get way too attached to this girl or that girl and it screws me up.

I need to constantly remind myself of Hessen Bub's words of wisdom,"just fuck & forget."

I've even had one girl tell me that I need to be strong with the other girls and not let them manipulate me so much. You know if the girls are telling me this, I'm probably doing things all wrong.

[Optimist]

Personally I like to check the rate first. This indicates to the girl that you are not a rookie and gives you the chance to resist the higher prices before you succumb to her charms in the room. If a girl were to spring a 50/50 on me at 28 minutes I would consider this to be sharp practice and automatically end the session.

As for inviting a girl to justify why she is worth more than the 50/25. I did this once and she told me (quite correctly) why she was better than the other girls. On this basis, to my mind, she was worth a payment of 200 an hour at least - LOL. However my finances did not permit such a payment.......

Remember that you are in charge and that there are plenty of other girls. The best approach cannot be formulated but must come out of confidence

[UltraHappy]

I guess this could happen at GT or VV, possibly PHG if they are getting an influx of 50/50 rate girls. I agree with UH completely, after the hour I'd pay them their 75 euro's without batting an eye. Your session was completed and everything went great, dealing with the girls demands after the deed is done is easy to negotiate.

But what if your having a good time, you don't feel pressed for time and the session is going good enough to extend to an hour. You've got the making out, DATY, BJ. 69 all done and your about ready for the intercourse at the 28 minute mark and she then springs the 'ohhh, I charge 50 euro's for the second half hour'. Lets also assume that she was good enough in your mind to extend to an hour. I'll go to the room with a girl who quotes me 50/50 knowing that I have to get all the action done in 30 minutes. What action do you take? Agree to pay her higher rate? Cut the session short and go to the management? Tell her yes to finish the session but only hand over 75 euros?

Yeah, you bring up a good scenario. It's worth it for us all to think ahead of time how we might handle these sorts of situations.

I don't think in this situation that you could cut the session short and go to management. GT permits their girls to charge more than the official price if it's negotiated up front, so this tactic would get you nowhere.

Also, I would think it would be a really bad idea to try to pay her 75 Euros after "agreeing" to pay her 100 (the fact situation you describe would basically amount to an implied agreement based on her offer and your tacit approval through continued performance in the second half hour). That would amount to you not honoring the deal that was negotiated and agreed to (if I am properly understanding your description of this fact scenario).

Still, don't give up so easily at the 28 minute mark. You still have a full 2 minutes to negotiate with her.

Some strategies if you really like the girl and want to stay in the room with her:

1. First, act really surprised."What? My other girls here charge me only 50/25. Why are you charging so much more?"

- Pause, let her answer. Let her provide justification in her own words why she is worth the higher price.

2. Paint a picture that the price is too much and you will have to cut the session short: "Oh no! This is awful because I really wanted to spend a long time with you. I was hoping we could spend a lot of time together."

- Remember, nothing about this precludes you from giving in 2 minutes later and agreeing to go with the higher price.

3. Offer the price you want: "I wish you had told me this before we went to the room. Now I have to go find another girl."

- Long pause.

Then: "Ok, how about we do 50/25? This is a good price. All my other girls do this."

3b. You can even start to get up and clean up during these negotiations to make it look like you've already given up and made up your mind that you're ending the session.

4. If she still insists on 50/50 and you still want to continue with her, one possible fall-back / counter: "Ok, let's do 1. 5 hours. 50/25 and then 50 for the next half hour. That is fair, yes?"

5. Many variations and other possible arguments may be added here too. For example, reasons why are you easier / better than the other customers, tell her what you'll be doing in the next half hour if it includes easy stuff like just relaxing together, etc. If there are long room waits, you might mention how you don't want to wait so long for another room (to subtly remind her during the negotiations that she too will have to wait for a room if she heads back out on the floor).

6. Even after all of this. Guess what? You're still free to give in to her initial offer of 50/50. But agreeing to her higher price is better this way:

"Ok, how about this? I pay you 50/25 plus a 25 tip since I like you so much, ok?" (because it sticks to the idea of a 50/25 price structure even though the total end result is the same).

I recommend everyone to think of all your arguments ahead of time. Best way to become a better negotiator = Preparation, preparation, preparation. Be prepared!

I welcome other ideas / suggestions / tactics for resisting deviations from "official club prices."

The danger of asking about prices before the room:

Of course, all of this can be avoided by asking about prices up front before going to the room. I just think bringing up the subject beforehand is dangerous because if you are asking them to tell you the prices before the room, you are waving a red flag basically inviting them to offer you the higher price list when they might otherwise not have ever brought it up in the first place if you hadn't posed the question up front.

I know negotiating in the middle of the session can be a real mood killer but we all suffer if we aren't offering at least some resistance to these price increases. So be strong, innovative, and creative out there and don't just automatically give in to their tactics without at least a little resistance!

[Breadman]

Let's say you go to the room with a girl and after an hour, you go to pay the girl her 75 Euros when she let's you know that by the way, she charges 500 Euros per hour. This situation is no different. If you two agreed to this price, fine. But if she makes up this price after the fact, you two certainly never came to any agreement on this made-up price, so you can't very well be expected to pay this exorbitant price (assuming that there is an official GT price).

I guess this could happen at GT or VV, possibly PHG if they are getting an influx of 50/50 rate girls. I agree with UH completely, after the hour I'd pay them their 75 euro's without batting an eye. Your session was completed and everything went great, dealing with the girls demands after the deed is done is easy to negotiate.

But what if your having a good time, you don't feel pressed for time and the session is going good enough to extend to an hour. You've got the making out, DATY, BJ. 69 all done and your about ready for the intercourse at the 28 minute mark and she then springs the 'ohhh, I charge 50 euro's for the second half hour'. Lets also assume that she was good enough in your mind to extend to an hour. I'll go to the room with a girl who quotes me 50/50 knowing that I have to get all the action done in 30 minutes. What action do you take? Agree to pay her higher rate? Cut the session short and go to the management? Tell her yes to finish the session but only hand over 75 euros?

[CaptCabin]

Hi,

Trip to OASE was bad. Line up was what not I like. Really poor in my opinion. Does anyone here know when the line up will get back to normal (taking into account the girls that will be going to Switzerland in January and so on)?

[Meeps77]

Anyway I agree with you HB. It is not easy Captain. Physically yes but psychologically is as hb said. The pimps certainly adds more stress. When I see the beautifull blonde young girls in kino kneeling on the floor and I see them performing BBBJ on rajiv with his wild hairstyle smilling and with one leg on the sofa and sipping his drink I too wonder what is going through the girls mind. It is really hard on them I guess.

I don't view there girls like fine wine or food nor I view myself as brad pitt. Just that oase is a place where both men and women who have needs that needs to be fulfilled to get thru this journey we called life. But this is my own view and I certainly don't represent all monger.

I can only imagine what they must think when the fuck the old, the ugly, the men who degrade them, the men that adore them, the crippled, etc. Every so often you get a girl who'll share blunt descriptions of her life. It's not usually a very happy story. I suppose when I consider my escalation level of sex addiction, its also not so pretty.

[RonnieNorway]

There are those on this forum who are suspect of being the same guy. Rajiv / capt cabin / armpitna / etc should not flaunt their supposed STD's and supposed travels if he / they are real. I can see why pimps might be useful once in a while. Some mongers need to have a little "attitude adjustment" as they say. Having said that, I expect no let up from this voyeur.

This pimping discussion is really disturbing actually but well that is the reality. At one hand I truly enjoyed the affection by a lady in the OASE but knowing she is beeing used by some men really does makes me feel sorry and angry. I do recall seeing a fat guy. 175 to 180 cm, with mohawk hair, (thin hair on the sides) wearing spectacles with a big tatoo on the back. His friends calls him Alex and he was like the man in Oase when I was there. His friends were taking girls and intoducing them to him (I tghought it is because he was taking them to the room) but rather he was talking to the girl at the seat in front of the sauna but he doesn't take them to the room. Girls go talk to him (not in a friendly manner but rather with a serious look) and they come and go. I really find that odd actually. Now I don't know whether he is a pimp but well lets just say when the girls talk to him it wasnt with the smiling seducing face but rather with a scared and serious look. Funnily enough if he was a pimp then rajiv was right under his nose all this while (someone here said about pimps getting angry with mongers with std)

[Syzygies]

I only note that if you disagree because you think the girls you go with in the club as for your posts are all free, ok then I think I am for sure closer to the truth than you!

You ask German Girls? I could start to laugh about the implication of your question. Do you really think that being German make the girls free? Mah. Man you regularly go to Oase and World from what you write, are you really seriously saying you do not see anything?

I never said all the girls I go with in the club are free. That would be arrogant. I humbly said I did not know and did not ask them. My comments about free girls with no apparent pimps relate more to girls I have met with outside the clubs, none of which were Romanian.

As for my question about German girls, there is no meaning implied or to be read into it. Its a simple question, that I would not have asked, if I thought I knew the answer. I had no opinion at all.