German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Yakob]

A couple of my fav's at this club said to me that their "boyfriends" got wind of some mongers going around spreading herpes and syphilis and got very angry. I'm not inclined to mention names of the SPs or club in order to protect the innocent, but this reminded me of Rajiv6969 who has gone silent since his initial posts a few weeks ago. Really hope that it's just a coincidence and nothing happened to him or anyone else. It's not worth it man.

This made me realize why the SPs would want to keep boyfriends or managers. It is not as dysfunctional as one might think.

I guess the boyfriends are trying to protect their income earning assets. A girl that is sick or put out of action does not make money for them. Makes commercial sense. If the reason is a person spreading diseases then these guys have no qualms about correcting the situation which is what you are implying.

As to your second point I am really not sure we should be supporting that the girls have "boyfriends" or managers. It is really disheartening when a girl you find a favourite has a pimp manager who takes all her money. You hear about the financial targets the girls have to achieve and you realise with the business as slow as it is in this financial crisis that they will no achieve it. So when the time runs out the rate goes up since they not make financial target and the cycle continues.

This is why you see some girls cry, stressed, continously smoking since they are nervous when there are no customers or they no make any money.

The other implication you make is that there are pimps reading this forum too as well as the girls which we already know that they do.

[Atooz]

A couple of my fav's at this club said to me that their "boyfriends" got wind of some mongers going around spreading herpes and syphilis and got very angry. I'm not inclined to mention names of the SPs or club in order to protect the innocent, but this reminded me of Rajiv6969 who has gone silent since his initial posts a few weeks ago. Really hope that it's just a coincidence and nothing happened to him or anyone else. It's not worth it man.

This made me realize why the SPs would want to keep boyfriends or managers. It is not as dysfunctional as one might think.

[Hessen Bub]

You pay the girl so she leaves after the time paid.

HB

[Kimino]

They view sex as another of life's pleasures like food and fine wines. They take pleasure in the courtesan and the variety. They go to a club, not because of desperation, but because of the diversity of the girls, the skill in various sex acts, and the honesty of the situation. Rather than trolling clubs or maniputating girls into having sex when you have no intention of a relationship, these mongers seek out those who willing provide services instead of coersing those who do not.

Very well said Akibono. No one to take out to dinner when food is not your goal, no one calling you up the next day or waiting for a call. No ones games to put up with. You go to disneyland, pay the ticket, have great great fun all day and shouldn't be upset if donald duck doesn't call you up the next day to say hi.

Much more honest, or at least direct, from both sides.

I think that most of the issues begin when people look for the wrong thing in the wrong place. But in an fkk it's only the guys that might fall in error and look for the wrong thing.

IMHO.

Kimino

[Akibono]

I guess I am the same boat as you are in. But as you say living far away from germany does put a natural cap on things.

But seriously what weirder can you do? For me the only things the girl does is blowjob, cim, sex and anal. How much weirder can you get?

But for me tha main addiction is well is the touch of a women, well lets face it most of the men on this forum don't have a healthy relationship with women. So to compensate we pay for love / sex. Sounds pathetic but it is reality. That is why we have lots of mongerscraving for GFE type of girls.

As a summary from what you have stated fkk is an addiction. We use the girls (drugs) to compensate somthing that we really need or crave in the real world (the touch, company and care of a women). We can get the real thing so we go for something artificial (paid sex). And like drugs your body get use to the same dose (normal sex acts) so you need more (weirder sex I guess). Mongers = addicts sadly. How long am I going to be addicted I have no idea?

But I think the women are addicts to but in their case it is addiction to money. A girl there told me how at first she don't do cim or anal and slowly now she does it saying as the money is good.

Anyway time will tell but I do plan to see my favourite girl one last time. Well I hope she is still there.

Where do you get this feminist drivel? Could it be from the creatins here who refer to ladies as bitches and hos? Or maybe those who revel in the PSE and brag about abusing the girls. I can tell you most of the Europeans who go to clubs do not think or act this way. They do not have trouble finding girls for sex. They view sex as another of life's pleasures like food and fine wines. They take pleasure in the courtesan and the variety. They go to a club, not because of desperation, but because of the diversity of the girls, the skill in various sex acts, and the honesty of the situation. Rather than trolling clubs or maniputating girls into having sex when you have no intention of a relationship, these mongers seek out those who willing provide services instead of coersing those who do not. It is a relationship that is beneficial to both the working girls and those who love them. The girls who work the clubs are not addicts. Most view it as an easy way to make $$$ vs alternative jobs. Some even enjoy aspects of their work-until they meet people like you who have no respect for them and think 50E gives you the right to do as you please.

[Optimist]

I'm not sure if there is any scientific research on my thoughts, but maybe instead of looking at the question of internet porn as being purely an individual issue (in the same way as the US and UK to varying degrees look to individual mental issues as being solely responsible for many things e. g, porn addiction, poverty, crime, gun crime, riots, religious extremism etc) maybe we should also look at the society's norms within which the individual has to operate. In short I wonder if porn addiction is greater in free societies where social norms are most hostile, and less in societies where social norms are more tolerant. The more porn is seen as just an element of normal life, the fewer mental issues arise in us as individuals and we are likely to need it less as a way of compensating for problems caused by societal norms or our own emotional backgrounds.

A very simplistic generalisation I know.

[UltraHappy]

interesting ted talk here:

http://yourbrainonporn.com/

this researcher brings up a lot of interesting concepts in this ted talk. i wonder about the parallels between the effects of porn on the brain versus the effects of fkk use on the brain.

a few blurbs:

apparently, it's not just nudity that excites us but novelty of experience also plays a big role. our brain releases dopamine in our brains for every novel sexual exposure. apparently, according to this researcher, our brains rewires itself to reinforce this cycle. so, the earlier in life we are exposed to high speed internet porn (i. e. unlimited sexual novelty) , the more our brains will rewire itself in this way.

research studies about the effects of using internet porn are hampered by the inability to find control groups. one researcher observed that he couldn't find any college-aged males who weren't using internet porn. that's funny.

he mentions some psychological effects of internet porn addiction. apparently, our brains are wired to reward ourselves with a pleasure response upon arousal, which in turn reinforces our cravings for more. ultimately though, he says that the addicts experience a "numbed-pleasure response" upon excessive porn consumption, requiring more and more exposure to more and more extreme porn, leading to will-power erosion, and changes to the frontal cortex. like other addictions, use of too much internet porn leads to a less activation based on similar stimuli.

who cares? apparently, too much internet porn is affecting sexual performance of young men. erectile dysfunction. their brains experience less sensitization from exposure to porn the more they use porn.

he then talks about porn-induced erectile dysfunction and the number of months one has to be away from porn to be cured from porn-induced erectile dysfunction, which interestingly differs for young men versus old men. he hypothesizes that the difference in time periods is due to the timing of the arrival of high speed internet. apparently, old guys didn't have high speed porn when they were young, so their brains didn't rewire themselves in the same way that the young guys brains are rewiring themselves today, so old guys only have to give up porn for 2 months to recover from porn-induced erectile dysfunction whereas young guys have to go without for 4-5 months.

anyways, this whole talk makes me wonder, not about internet porn but about my use of fkk's. it reminds me of a chat i had in living room one evening with a german guy and his dutch friend during the dinner. back then, i was fairly new to the fkk scene, and i remember him telling me that the more time you spend in the fkk's, the more crazy stuff you will get into later, and the more you will go down the slippery slope so to speak. we all start out just with the normal blowjob / sex, but then before you know it, it seems like the older guys are getting into weirder and weirder stuff. this guy i was chatting with started out normal like me, but then started telling me about all the weird shit he is into now. so, it makes me wonder if i'll become one of those guys one day.

i suspect that the fkk use contributes to the extreme withdrawal feeling i experience when i'm away. the first week back is tough. the intense loneliness is tough. it gets easier after a few weeks away, but man, that first week of withdrawal is tough. then, the obsessive thoughts are another thing that makes me wonder. sometimes, i think about fkk's pretty much all day, every day. i wonder if there are some parallels between this guy's research and fkk use.

i suppose it's probably so much easier for you guys who live there in germany. you don't have to experience the withdrawal like those us living on another continent. you can go satisfy your cravings whenever you need to. then again, maybe i'm lucky i don't live there, which puts a natural cap on my number of fkk visits.

[Breadman]

Yin Yang too in the same area.

Yin Yang is only a good relax option when in the summer with their outdoor setup. Other than that the food is plain awful and the lineup's never been its strong suit. I love to wind down at World on a Monday, huge club to get lost in. 3 for 2 entry, good food and free beer.

[Yakob]

My FKK trips are usually 9 or 10 days so there is a Sun-Tue in there somewhere. I'm sure the girls at GT and ACA who I don't session with want to see me 9 days in a row. LOL

Take the Sundays to Tuesdays as rest days. Go to Park Sauna Residenz and enjoy the a la carte menu or the live cooking at Magnum or Das 5 Element.

There is a wealth of places to go.

With that much time and a good car you can even drive to Artemis in Berlin for a day or two and see Angus Magee and Kimino.

For Sunday I would go to Villa Vertigo. Monday is GT and Tuesday I may try Happy Garden or do Happy Garden for Monday and get the Gambas day If I remember right I no check their website. You like Gambas?

You do not need to be hung up on GT and Acapulco.

Even take in Babylon or Yin Yang too in the same area.

[Banana Boi]

Take out the problem in the first place and avoid going on a Sunday, Monday or a Tuesday if this is going to be a big issue.

My FKK trips are usually 9 or 10 days so there is a Sun-Tue in there somewhere. I'm sure the girls at GT and ACA who I don't session with want to see me 9 days in a row. LOL

[Yakob]

Other than GT and ACA, which club (s) in the NRW region would have the most girls from a Sunday to Tuesday afternoon?

Probably Villa Vertigo is best and to a lesser extent Planet Happy Garden but mainly in the evening. This is my experience.

Villa Vertigo is not so much a problem on a Sunday since there is the free entry for men on the Sunday if the man enter the club any of Monday to Saturday prior to that Sunday.

Take out the problem in the first place and avoid going on a Sunday, Monday or a Tuesday if this is going to be a big issue.

[Banana Boi]

Other than GT and ACA, which club (s) in the NRW region would have the most girls from a Sunday to Tuesday afternoon?

[Yakob]

I expect to be around for Silvester in the clubs so I have these clubs listed as having a Silvester party on 31 December 2012:

Acapulco.

Golden Dreams.

Oase (times 5pm to 5am)

Palace.

Planet Happy Garden.

Sharks

Okay we are talking about Silvester and for me this is a big party with friends. Christmas is for the family.

So I know there are guys that always ask which party to go to when there are more than one event on at the same time. Just like today there is the Oase Christmas party and the Sharks Christmas party on 15 December. I no go to party since I have cultural shit to go to. So I know I have Silvester and it is no puddy cat. It is a big decision since the friend and the colleague always asks where and what did you do for the Silvester.

So I look at my 6 options.

I no fan of Acapulco. I think the services there are sub standard since the girl feel like they go through the motions when you are book them. It is like you are both there but the lights are no on. Food at Acapulco is catastrophe and you pays for the beers or are limited to the beer. I am not sure what the pricing is for the event.

No idea about Golden Dreams. Small club.

Planet Happy Garden. I no fan of their Romanian gypsy heavy line up. I struggle to find a girl I like. There are a contingent of black girls though for the man that like that.

Oase is a good option. There is 85€ entry and it open at 5pm. Already my friend is lobbying we no go there. I no hear of any incentives for girls to work Silvester, but Oase has a captive catchment of girls that live in the club and many girls no make enough money to go home to Romania or their managers or pimp no allow them to leave since they are no making financial targets so maybe there is a decent line up. I mean if you are not making targets at your work usually your vacation is cancelled or you work overtime. Same parallel.

Sharks cost 100€ entry and it open at 4pm. Line up at 3:30pm to get in. The club is offering girls that work from 20 Dec to 6 Dec continously that they get 1200€ so there is incentive that girls work Silvester and it not a wash out for girls. The food at Sharks is not the best. I been at their parties before and it is billed as celebratory but it like the food my aunty make from the stuff from Lidl. I prefer Rewe.

Palace cost 75€ entry and I think probably opens at 6pm. Best line up at 5:30pm to get in. Girls have incentive of free entry this night to ensure that there is a line up in attendance. I like the Palace facilities and the food is excellent and on par with Mainhattan. Okay, the girls may ask for 100€ for half hour for GFE but you can always decline and be strong and pick the girl that will do all for 50€. Expect it to be quick but there are girls that give the good service. There are many girls that are ex World or Ex Oase that work the Palace now and remember their past good service provision.

So I need to think some more but these are just a few factors in helping others to make the same decision that I am trying to make.

[The Cane]

Sorry, forgot to add the duo pics. Enjoy!

[Neutron Flux]

FWIW, an old experience of mine. I share much of the stance of The Cane, I don't have any special fantasies about duos, if I do they're about lots of girls at once. But I had one session years ago, and it was awesome. It was at an upscale German apartment place that is history. Had a date with a German girl I sessioned before, reddish brunette cute girl. She was the kind of rare, very empathic, accomodating and caring personality who could convince you of a lot of things. So we talked about what were going to do, and she suggested a duo. When I entered the place before another girl blonde big tit Austrian introduced herself nicely, but I had to decline her because I already had a date, but I was really attracted to her. But I also really wanted to be with the German girl. So somehow we agreed on me having an hour with the German girl and the Austrian would join after 30 mins. So I MPOSed and so forth the German girl first, she was great, she was very well known as an outstanding performer. Then the Austrian joined and they went alternating rounds DFK and BBBJ then the Austrian rode me while the German was DFKing. The Austrian was also a very hard fucker, cannot remember any girl ever putting more pressure on during her knocks in cowgirl. After a while the German was "fuck me again X, fuck me again". I declined and banged the Austrian in doggy to explosion and she was wet all over her body and screaming while the German was cuddling me from behind. The German insisted afterwards that the Austrian had a real orgasm. Probably true, not that I care too much, but it was a sound session. She also told me she could not believe that I rejected her, LOL. Never had a duo again, did not feel like it and all the offers at FKKs are usually far from attractive and simply serve to delete a girl off the list if she was on it.